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    #1082
    ormond lad
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    BigHeel wrote: »
    ormond lad wrote: »
    Big win for Leinster.
    Match report is below
    http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/newsroom/10850.php
    Nenagh beat Roscrea-Birr 19-0 in a friendly yesterday between 2 sides who have the potential to be provincial champions at 19s level later on this year
    Dont know about RB but Nenagh were missing 5/6 key players
    Great first half display by Leinster. was a bit flat in the second half after a good few changes. Looking forward to the Finals day next week, a chance to see all four side in action.
    Should be 2 good games.
    Pan Munster draw to be made soon. think it starts in 2 weeks time


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    #1083
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    Pan Munster u19 draw has been made and is below
    Games due to start the weekend after next
    Group A
    Clanwilliam
    Kanturk
    Highfield
    Bruff

    Group B
    Bandon
    Nenagh
    Youghal
    Garryowen

    Group C
    Tralee
    Sundays Well
    Young Munster-Ennis
    Clonmel

    Group D
    Thomond
    Waterpark
    Cork Con
    Castleisland-Abbeyfeale


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    #1084
    KJY
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    Pan Munster u19 draw has been made and is below
    Games due to start the weekend after next
    Group A
    Clanwilliam
    Kanturk
    Highfield
    Bruff

    Group B
    Bandon
    Nenagh
    Youghal
    Garryowen

    Group C
    Tralee
    Sundays Well
    Young Munster-Ennis
    Clonmel

    Group D
    Thomond
    Waterpark
    Cork Con
    Castleisland-Abbeyfeale

    Do you know the seedings of each?


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    #1085
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    KJY wrote: »
    Do you know the seedings of each?
    No but you can not sure how the draw was made considering you would have assumed Nenagh and Garryowen were number 1 seeds considering they both won their respective regionals leagues but that obviously wasnt the case


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    #1086
    KJY
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    No but you can not sure how the draw was made considering you would have assumed Nenagh and Garryowen were number 1 seeds considering they both won their respective regionals leagues but that obviously wasnt the case

    Didn't someone say Abbeyfeale won that division just didn't play the North League final as they were from the West? I thought I saw that somewhere a while back


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    #1087
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    KJY wrote: »
    Didn't someone say Abbeyfeale won that division just didn't play the North League final as they were from the West? I thought I saw that somewhere a while back
    Yes i did.
    Castleisland-Abbeyfeale and Tralee didnt play in the North Munster playoffs as they were just competing in the League to provide them with competitive games ahead of this pan munster competition
    Castleisland won all their group games and then didnt compete in the playoffs


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    #1088
    KJY
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    Yes i did.
    Castleisland-Abbeyfeale and Tralee didnt play in the North Munster playoffs as they were just competing in the League to provide them with competitive games ahead of this pan munster competition
    Castleisland won all their group games and then didnt compete in the playoffs

    So wouldn't they be number one seeds? Bruff-Highfield-Kanturk looks like a good group. When will the fixtures be announced? CastleIsland would be some trek!


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    #1089
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    KJY wrote: »
    So wouldn't they be number one seeds? Bruff-Highfield-Kanturk looks like a good group. When will the fixtures be announced? CastleIsland would be some trek!
    Who knows how the draw was made. They could have been number 1 seeds but considering their was only 3 regions, as such, and there is 4 groups so you dont know how the draw was made.
    Personally group B is very strong. Nenagh, Garryowen both won their leagues and Bandon were munster finalists last season while Youghal are strong with the Dungarvan players who are playing with them.
    Fixtures are available on munster website already. Castleisland will be a trek for 'park but thats just the luck of the draw


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    #1090
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    Draw for U17 Pan Munster is below. Games due to start the weekend after next

    Highfield
    Bruff
    Galbally
    Abbeyfeale

    Nenagh
    Old Crescent
    Midleton
    Listowel

    Garryowen
    Castleisland
    Clonakility
    Waterpark

    Kanturk
    Tralee
    Ennis
    Clanwilliam


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    #1091
    munsterman96
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    what teams to watch out for in the 17s pan munster, and do you have the fixtures and venues?


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    #1092
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    munsterman96 wrote: »
    what teams to watch out for in the 17s pan munster, and do you have the fixtures and venues?
    Games start the weekend after next. fixtures are on the munster website
    here
    Waterpark, Bruff, Kanturk are meant to be strong at 17s


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    #1093
    ssaye
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    http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/newsroom/10878.php

    LEINSTER UNDER-18 (CLUB):
    15: David McDermot (Co. Carlow)
    14: Anthony McGivney (Mullingar)
    13: Sean Moran (Kilkenny)
    12: James Nolan (Gorey) CAPTAIN
    11: Robert Vallejo (New Ross)
    10: Conor O'Brien (Mullingar)
    9: Joseph Carbery (Athy)
    1: Harry Hester (Navan)
    2: Jack McKenna (Wicklow)
    3: Niall Hannon (Mullingar)
    4: Andrew Purcell (Mullingar)
    5: Colm Joyce-Ahearne (Wexford Wanderers)
    6: Liam Walsh (Wicklow)
    7: Conor Oliver (Skerries)
    8: Garry Dunne (Kilkenny)
    REPLACEMENTS:

    16: Sean Healy (Navan)
    17: Jack Barry (Newbridge)
    18: Joshua White (Gorey)
    19: Neil Reilly (Ardee)
    20: Andrew Feeney (Suttonians)
    21: Graham Lynch (Birr)
    22: Karl Dunne (Tullamore)
    23: Michael Russell (Naas)
    Coach: Dan van Zyl
    Assistant Coach: Martin Fenlon
    Technical Coach: Derek Maybury
    Conditioning Coach: Brian Murray
    Physio: Ian McGovern
    Bagman: Noel Ferguson
    Video Analyst: Tom O'Brien
    Manager: Pat Keena


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    #1094
    backgreen
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    KJY wrote: »
    So wouldn't they be number one seeds? Bruff-Highfield-Kanturk looks like a good group. When will the fixtures be announced? CastleIsland would be some trek!
    caption should be abbeyfeale/castleisland ,abbey supplied the bulk of the players and all previous home fixtures were in abbeyfeale,i would the same will apply for the pan/munster


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    #1095
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    backgreen wrote: »
    caption should be abbeyfeale/castleisland ,abbey supplied the bulk of the players and all previous home fixtures were in abbeyfeale,i would the same will apply for the pan/munster
    Cant see any reason for any change if all previous home games were played in abbeyfeale.
    Anyone going to the interpro finals this weekend??


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    #1096
    munsterman96
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    Games start the weekend after next. fixtures are on the munster website
    here
    Waterpark, Bruff, Kanturk are meant to be strong at 17s

    what about garryowen and castleisland and clonakilty, who would be players and teams to watch from there


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    #1097
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    munsterman96 wrote: »
    what about garryowen and castleisland and clonakilty, who would be players and teams to watch from there
    Dont know. Garryowen could potentially have a few bowen shield players from some of the limerick A schools which will boost them.
    Clonakilty had some big wins in the south league including a 30+ win against Muskerry in the south quarter final
    Not sure if any of the sides in ye're group had any interpro players on this years interpro sides but could have had some on the A schools squad like ye do with Isaac Daly.


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    #1098
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    Both interpro finals due to be played in Mullingar rfc tomorrow have been postponed and will be played at a later date


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    #1099
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    FIRA draw has been made.
    Irish Youths play Georgia march 22nd
    If they win they play winner of France-Italy and if they lose they play the losers of that game


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    #1100
    BigHeel
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    The postponed Youth Interpro Final between Leinster and Connacht has been refixed for this Sat in Mullingar at 1pm.


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    #1101
    FalconXV
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    backgreen wrote: »
    still no great advancement for west munster just one repesentation eoin carroll tralee which is the same every year

    Will O'Carroll get an academy contract with Munster? 3 other Tralee players made the initial Munster Youth squad. Don't know about Castleisland, etc if they had any in the initial squad.

    Tralee had 3 Munster A schools players this season, the Tralee club website said they haven't had reps in that squad before.


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    #1102
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    FalconXV wrote: »
    Will O'Carroll get an academy contract with Munster? 3 other Tralee players made the initial Munster Youth squad. Don't know about Castleisland, etc if they had any in the initial squad.

    Tralee had 3 Munster A schools players this season, the Tralee club website said they haven't had reps in that squad before.
    O Carroll prob will not get academy IMO. he may but if any of the 95 wingers are to get one it will be Greg O Shea IMO
    i assume you are talking about next septembers munster youths when you refer to 3 tralee players making squad.
    fairly sure that next years munster squad will be dominated by players from the east and north as they were both string last season
    tralee did have 3 a schools players. josh is a very good player but was very young on that a schools team and the benefit of playing a schools will really help him if he is one of the players on the youths this year. fergal was very good with the a schools. cant remember the other player from tralee who was on a schools

    how do you think the west clubs will do in the under 17 and under 19 pan munster as these competitions start this weekend?


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    #1103
    munsterman96
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    clonakilty v waterpark is on tomorrow night in waterpark u17s pan munster


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    FalconXV
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    O Carroll prob will not get academy IMO. he may but if any of the 95 wingers are to get one it will be Greg O Shea IMO
    i assume you are talking about next septembers munster youths when you refer to 3 tralee players making squad.
    fairly sure that next years munster squad will be dominated by players from the east and north as they were both string last season
    tralee did have 3 a schools players. josh is a very good player but was very young on that a schools team and the benefit of playing a schools will really help him if he is one of the players on the youths this year. fergal was very good with the a schools. cant remember the other player from tralee who was on a schools

    how do you think the west clubs will do in the under 17 and under 19 pan munster as these competitions start this weekend?

    They were in the initial 45 man squad announced in November last year. There were further trials later that month.

    Ross Coffey was the other player in the schools.

    Not sure about pan Munster. Tralee under 17s hammered Garryowen last weekend. There is a decent write up from the game on the Tralee website. There are two under 17s teams there. The u17s colts had a fixture called off last weekend. Don't know much about Abbeyfeale they are apparently strong enough in the minis to feed in to the youths. Their under 17s beat Waterpark. From the sample of results of their under 13s and under 15s they have a lot of work to do for future seasons. Haven't had any exposure to matches against them. Their u17s were well beaten by Tralee in October. Same to be said about Castleisland-Corca Dhuibhne in the 17s. Listowel will be weak in both age groups against stronger opposition but they will put up a fight.

    Tralee under 19s have Sundays Well this weekend. They had a big win against Garryowen in October. The 17s Ennis this weekend and have a reasonable group.


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    #1105
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    FalconXV wrote: »
    They were in the initial 45 man squad announced in November last year. There were further trials later that month.

    Ross Coffey was the other player in the schools.

    Not sure about pan Munster. Tralee under 17s hammered Garryowen last weekend. There is a decent write up from the game on the Tralee website. There are two under 17s teams there. The u17s colts had a fixture called off last weekend. Don't know much about Abbeyfeale you would think they would have a good youth set up as they are apparently strong enough in the minis to feed in to the youths. Haven't had any exposure to matches against them. Their u17s were well beaten by Tralee in October. Same to be said about Castleisland-Corca Dhuibhne in the 17s. Listowel will be weak in both age groups against stronger opposition but they will put up a fight.

    Tralee under 19s have Sundays Well this weekend. The 17s Ennis and have a reasonable group.
    u17 colts are mainly u16s i assume.
    Castleisland-Abbeyfeale are a fine side at 19s and will be tough to beat. Hopefully all sides field in all games. Listowel and Nenagh should be a good game. Nenagh are good but may struggle, with Listowel, against the 2 stronger sides in the group.
    if ye have a club twitter account and ye are doing updates on the games or tweeting results use the hashtag #panmunster as it would be good to get all clubs using it and promote games more


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    #1106
    FalconXV
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    u17 colts are mainly u16s i assume.
    Castleisland-Abbeyfeale are a fine side at 19s and will be tough to beat. Hopefully all sides field in all games. Listowel and Nenagh should be a good game. Nenagh are good but may struggle, with Listowel, against the 2 stronger sides in the group.
    if ye have a club twitter account and ye are doing updates on the games or tweeting results use the hashtag #panmunster as it would be good to get all clubs using it and promote games more

    There really needs to be a dedicated site or tab to Munster youths Rugby. There is a Munster Domestic Rugby iphone app which I downloaded yesterday might come in handy.

    Tralee RFC put up match reports regularly enough as it will give you a guide of who is coming through. They are quiet good at getting results up. Abbeyfeale's website looks fancy but light on detail.

    Nenagh should account for Listowel. Listowel find it tough as the town has been hit by turnover and emigration. Really surprised that Killarney aren't in the pan Munster instead of Listowel. Often wonder about the direction they are heading.


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    #1107
    ormond lad
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    FalconXV wrote: »
    There really needs to be a dedicated site or tab to Munster youths Rugby. There is a Munster Domestic Rugby iphone app which I downloaded yesterday might come in handy.

    Tralee RFC put up match reports regularly enough as it will give you a guide of who is coming through. Abbeyfeale's website looks fancy but light on detail.

    Nenagh should account for Listowel. Listowel find it tough as the town has been hit by turnover and emigration. Really surprised that Killarney aren't in the pan Munster instead of Listowel. Often wonder about the direction they are heading.
    i have studied a small bit of web design and looked into designing a website for youths rugby but never got round to it. best thing for the moment is to use twitter and use specific hashtags like #panmunster and #youthsrugby to promote youths rugby.
    west munster youths used to have a website, mainly used for updates on the west development side and west cadets but that hasnt been updated recently. http://westmunsterrugby.com/
    you could also use this app http://www.pitchero.com/iphone-app to upload latest scores, results, fixtures


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    #1108
    FalconXV
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    i have studied a small bit of web design and looked into designing a website for youths rugby but never got round to it. best thing for the moment is to use twitter and use specific hashtags like #panmunster and #youthsrugby to promote youths rugby.
    west munster youths used to have a website, mainly used for updates on the west development side and west cadets but that hasnt been updated recently. http://westmunsterrugby.com/
    you could also use this app http://www.pitchero.com/iphone-app to upload latest scores, results, fixtures

    The Munster Domestic website have a lot of scores there doesn't appear to be a west Munster league table for the u19s and there are results missing from a lot of matches in the other grades.
    http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/competitions/fixtures_results_and_tables.php

    Tralee and Castleisland are the top two sides in under 13s and under 15s. Killarney don't really seem to be at the races and should be above teams like Listowel as they have more of a catchment, like Tralee they have strong GAA clubs. Munster dev officers should work on them as West Munster need a strong Killarney set up.

    I don't really have the time to tab youths results as I travel a lot with my own side. Some clubs don't seem to be as active on twitter compared to Facebook and their own website.


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    #1109
    ormond lad
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    FalconXV wrote: »
    The Munster Domestic website have a lot of scores there doesn't appear to be a west Munster league table for the u19s and there are results missing from a lot of matches in the other grades.
    http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/competitions/fixtures_results_and_tables.php

    Tralee and Castleisland are the top two sides in under 13s and under 15s. Killarney don't really seem to be at the races and should be above teams like Listowel as they have more of a catchment, like Tralee they have strong GAA clubs. Munster dev officers should work on them as West Munster need a strong Killarney set up.

    I don't really have the time to tab youths results as I travel a lot with my own side. Some clubs don't seem to be as active on twitter compared to Facebook and their own website.
    There was no west munster under 19ss league this season. 2 west munster sides, Tralee and Castleisland-Abbeyfeale, competed in the north munster league to get games ahead of the pan munster.
    if results are missing from leagues on the munster website its the clubs fault as they have to send in the info to go up on the website.
    the development officers are doing great work in kerry and are trying to improve numbers playing in places like killarney but what do you suggest they do that hasnt been done before?


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    #1110
    backgreen
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    abbeyfeale/castleisland have good solid side at u19 and could be dark horses in the pan/munster,their u17 are a decent side but wont trouble the big guns..listowel are much improved from previous seasons and can now compete with well at u17..


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    FalconXV
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    There was no west munster under 19ss league this season. 2 west munster sides, Tralee and Castleisland-Abbeyfeale, competed in the north munster league to get games ahead of the pan munster.
    if results are missing from leagues on the munster website its the clubs fault as they have to send in the info to go up on the website.
    the development officers are doing great work in kerry and are trying to improve numbers playing in places like killarney but what do you suggest they do that hasnt been done before?

    Just realised that there was no West Munster under 19s league.

    There is a good article on the Munster Rugby domestic site about Kerry Rugby http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/11218.php

    Killarney have a lot of potential as a club and they have decent numbers in the minis but they are hamstrung by limited coaching. Already played them again this season and they were weaker in terms of general play compared to last season. A few Kerry clubs don't have an under 11s team but Killarney do so the playing resources are there. There is a decent size player pool to feed in to them as the next south Kerry club is Kenmare. There should be a better playing rivalry between Tralee and Killarney. Players will be willing to travel to training and matches at a stronger Rugby program. There are already players from Dingle, Firies, etc playing in the juniors at Tralee.

    Clubs like Tralee are really ramping up the minis and encouraging the coaches to work with the development officers if they need to up skill. They have moved on from being a club that will provide off season sport for GAA players to developing serious Rugby players and teams. Tralee play a lot of matches against Cork and Limerick clubs right from the low mini grades to improve their players level. They still have the matches against those clubs when they get to West Munster league level.

    You have to be proactive with seeking help from them as they are on call. The help is there. Under 12s is a make or break age group for a club like Killarney if they aren't showing improvement by then they will struggle in the under 13s league the following season, this happening at the moment. They shouldn't be getting regular beatings. Clubs like Listowel are performing above their weight as it is a smaller town compared to Killarney. Killarney are working on moving to a new site out near Kilcummin.

    Another side note. The development officers are encouraging coaches to focus on developing an offload, multi skill game, I don't know if it is being pushed by Penney but does kind of mirror the style of play he is getting the senior side to play. You might see a different style of Rugby from youths teams going forward. My team already play an all round offloading game and it's really natural to the kids. This is from the sessions I attended a few months ago as the youths teams were there to try and implement it (they improved out of sight as they were opening up more space and working together) with them there is a bit of a focus of encouraging coaches not to focus too much on set piece training and more on general play. They said only 10% of the game is taken up by set piece play but after reading the IRB stats there might be a slight misreading of it. Their stats said that scrums take up 10% of the contest but around 24% of total game time.

    I have discussed that with my coaches and we are still going to spend a fair bit of time on it next season as they have to learn eventually. The scrums and lineouts in the minis are more old school. Paul O'Connell has actually given sessions on how to improve your lifting technique so the services are there for coaches.


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