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IMRA season 2011
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As I said before, RD decisions have to be respected and if the current culture is to ignore or challenge RDs then I'll concede that something has to change. It's not a 'real' change - just a communication issue ...
All we need is to say that everyone going to any IMRA race should have 'potential' mandatory kit in the car. No more excuses of not seeing website. Perhaps an appropriate jacket as a LL prize to communicate the message?
As for winter races - there are additional risks. Force people to run cross country!
Risks can be minimised by using solely trails and cancelling race in very poor conditions - that should happen at any time of year.
I do remember being RD in the snow and didn't feel the need for mandatory kit. The #1 risk with hill running is tripping and hitting your head off a rock - actually happened when I was RD of the Man v Bike race (one of the reasons if hasn't been rescheduled). Don't think mandatory kit really helps here - what I would hate to see is a rule appropriate for 5% of races being to 100% of races.0 -
As I said before, RD decisions have to be respected and if the current culture is to ignore or challenge RDs then I'll concede that something has to change. It's not a 'real' change - just a communication issue ...
All we need is to say that everyone going to any IMRA race should have 'potential' mandatory kit in the car. No more excuses of not seeing website. Perhaps an appropriate jacket as a LL prize to communicate the message?
As for winter races - there are additional risks. Force people to run cross country! Risks can be minimised by using solely trails and cancelling race in very poor conditions - that should happen at any time of year.
I do remember being RD in the snow and didn't feel the need for mandatory kit. The #1 risk with hill running is tripping and hitting your head off a rock - actually happened when I was RD of the Man v Bike race (one of the reasons if hasn't been rescheduled). Don't think mandatory kit really helps here - what I would hate to see is a rule appropriate for 5% of races being to 100% of races.
I think that is a good idea. I dont get how people can get the hump over being told to carry a jacket. If the weather/conditions are bad you'd think people would have the common sense to realise its for their own safety!!0 -
Like it, or not, our sport has grown to the point where liability attaches to sending runners off into the hills. It is pretty easy to deal with.
As RD for the Plod last year I got a good lesson in risk managment from the Guards:
1. Assess risk before event. Decide on any steps you can take to minimise risk. e.g. mandatory kit list, marshals, marking, evacuation, etc.
2. Put in place mitigation steps. Safety briefing, spot checks.
3. Review what happened. Incident reports, post mortem (so to speak
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Once you've done that, you are covered. If someone gets hypothermia, or gets lost, or falls off a cliff you can point back at the steps above to absolve the association from any claim of negligence. You also have done all you could to prevent accident or injury.
Arguing with runners, or DNFing them is optional :rolleyes:0 -
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When I said ALL mountain races, I forgot that imra also does trail races etc.
Races in forests or on trails that are sheltered should not need mandatory kit.
However, all races that go onto open mountain should have a mandatory kit requirement.Ban the winter league, keep the kit requirements as they are.
The winter league is where ocnoc's over the top dire warnings about hypothermia are most likely to take place.
Hillrunning is a summer game.
No such thing as bad weather, just the wrong kitRisks can be minimised by using solely trails and cancelling race in very poor conditions - that should happen at any time of year.
With all due respect, FCUK THAT!!! Just trails? Are you for real?
Cancelling due to poor weather?!
Sh1t conditions are the most fun. Running down a peat haggy boggy sh1tty ground descent at breakneck speed in zero vis is the most awesome buzz!
There is a difference between trail running and mountain running.
Last time I looked it was IMRA not ITRA0 -
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Perhaps an appropriate jacket as a LL prize to communicate the message?
I like that idea...largely because the jacket I have at the moment is pretty skanky
As for the eejits at Annagh Hill arguing that they didn't need a jacket because they were experienced runners :rolleyes:
Failure to abide by the RD's rules on the day is an instant DNF. No question, no appeal. I was on cash at Annagh Hill and it was made very clear at registration that jackets were required.
Everyone moves at the same pace once they're injured. And with an experienced fit runner probably having a lot less body fat than an inexperienced one they are MORE susceptible to hypothermia.
So I think we should only insist that the fit front 30 runners or so carry jackets. No need for us plodders to bother.
And of course if we made those jackets extra-heavy down jackets just to be sure...
Safety first after all!
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I'm in agreement with ocnoic and PositiveNegative on this one. One thing that always puzzles me though is having gloves on the mandatory kit list
Surely the priority is to maintain core body temperature, not to keep one's peripheral digits nice and comfy? 0 -
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Slogger Jogger wrote: »Hmmm, whats to be said to Charlies post on the imra forum. Mountain vandalism is a bit extreme. Are some people ever positive?
Yeah, OTT hope he returns the stones that get stuck his shoes on a regular basis.0 -
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Savage race yesterday - really enjoyable. It's a while since I've done some proper open mountain stuff. Certainly a more technical course than the old route - slower I reckon.
Respect to Jason - he just wanted it more than anyone else - demonstrated by his busted knee. Given summit positions I fancied Bernard at the top, but perhaps he suffered from wearing racing flats. It was great to witness the descending battle - some crazy stuff. Seemed very fast - hard to believe the quickest are only descending at 8min mile pace. As for my descent - the less said the better - think I needed the race to turn at cahir Will need get the potential for injuries out of my head before descending an open mountain quickly again ... 0 -
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