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[Feedback] What's wrong with the Airsoft forum? How do we fix it?
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03-12-2010 7:26pm#1
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Thanks for this opportunity Steve....its very much appreciated.
Ok...having had a little think about this over the last few days, heres where I think the problems lie -
There has been behind the scenes talk of power-tripping and arrogance, but I dont actually think thats the problem. Most of the mods are airsofters, whether active or semi-retired, so I dont think power-tripping is the problem, at least not consciously, because we run into them in real life, and to a man, they're decent blokes.
Boards.ie is a topic-led discussion forum. 99.9% of the forums are populated by people who rarely, if ever, meet in real life, so during a discussion, its all too easy for it to descend into abusive and personal slagging matches, rather than point-by-point discussion, argument and counter-argument. Hence the pretty strict rules which evolved over time to enable discussion to take place without always turning into a frag-fest. Given the size of the Boards.ie hierarchy of fora, those rules have had to be applied across the board, and are pretty inflexible.
And thats where the problems lie, I think. The airsoft forum is a different beast altogether. The proportion of people who know each other in "real life" is much, much higher, so its inevitable that banter will creep into almost every discussion....questions about which scope will fit an M16 carry handle might get sidetracked by discussions on how effective multicam is ( In Ireland its not very, incidentally...but its damn sexy). This is natural - as Sam pointed out in his post in the off-topic thread, its the kind of thing that happens when a few lads are on a skirmish site having a chat, or happen to meet up in one of the shops. Its a natural progression for it to happen here.
The argument can be made that a newbie coming into the forum for the first time looking for specific information might feel intimidated when he sees a thread which at first glance looks to contain the information he's looking for get sidetracked into some banter between mates, and he might think its a closed forum and not bother posting or taking part. I dont think that argument can be used in this case - it does have some substance for other fora, where the users wouldn't interact in the real world, but lets remember - Airsoft is a group activity (apart from the collectors amongst us, whom I dont wish to alienate) so a newbie to the game will eventually meet some of the regulars here on a skirmish site, and most likely get to know them and start to take part in the banter.
On the topic of post deletions...I realise sometimes its necessary, but I'd like to see it kept to an absolute minimum, and only used when absolutely necessary. There have been cases of perfectly innocent posts being deleted and no notification or reason being given. This is not acceptable - its causes great frustration on the part of the poster, and subsequently reduces their willingness to contribute in future.
Tag deletions - As highlighted by Gareth, there were a number of tags deleted from the Off-Topic thread, again with no notification or explanation. Unless there was some kind of personal abuse going on, I can't see why that would happen, or what offense they caused.
Post reporting. We've all at some point or another been told if we have a problem with a post, we should click the little red triangle. Well, I've done that in the past and nothing has been done, and I've received no feedback. I'm willing to admit that I may have reported a post that was perfectly innocent, and thats why nothing was done, but it would be nice to get some feedback about it so I know. Otherwise it can cause accusations of bias.
My biggest issue is with locking threads. It drives me insane. I honestly dont believe theres any reason to lock a thread other than it was started as a troll. If the discussion veers way too far off-topic, a gentle reminder to get back on topic is available as a moderation tool. Likewise, if a row erupts and personal abuse starts to get thrown about, the option to sanction the poster exists - I start breathing fire when I see a thread locked because two idiots cant see the difference between a reasoned argument and a mortal insult. And this new thing that seems to have cropped up where the original poster decides to "request lock" ? GTFO
Once someone writes a new topic post, and clicks submit, they lose ownership of it. They have absolutely no right to request its closing. If they dont want to take part, they can simply stop posting there.
Another issue I have ( I know, I have loads !) is this perception that moderators are not accountable to the users. I understand that Boards.ie take a very dim view of users questioning mod decisions, and that this is a Boards-wide thing, but in my opinion, its wrong, especially in a forum like this. I know there has to be a certain amount of respect paid to the moderators, and I acknowledge that its not an easy job to do, but every single moderator who accepts that responsibility does so knowing full well its a tough job - No-one is made moderator who hasn't been active in their forum, so this whole "We're volunteers, dont question us" attitude just doesnt cut it. You can say Feedback, Helpdesk and PMs are options if you dont agree with a moderator decision, but frankly, thats a farcical way to handle complaints. With Feedback you get every jackass with an opinion wading in, and in most cases moderators of other forums wade in with "Dem's the rules, deal with it" posts without even considering the complainant might have a valid case. Helpdesk is also pointless because only the complainant, the moderator and the various cmods and admins can interact there, so the complainant ends up being outnumbered. And god help the poor bugger if he isnt very articulate !
So anyway....sorry for the long post. To sum up, below are a few things that I feel might help make things run smoother around here. Perhaps not all of them are feasible, but at the very least, I'll throw them out there as options.
1 - Posts shouldn't always be deleted and warnings issued if a thread strays off-topic. Its the very nature of our discussions that they wander and evolve - I think they should be allowed do so, within reason.
2 - Posts should not be deleted under any circumstances without notifying the poster as to why. Its common courtesy.
3 - If a post is reported, it would be nice to receive feedback as to why a decision was made not to act on the report. It might not be feasible, and I suppose it would depend on the volume of reports made, but it would certainly be nice to have.
4 - Threads should only be locked under extreme circumstances, such as a deliberate attempt on the part of the original poster to troll. If a thread erupts into open warfare, I wouldnt have a problem with it being locked temporarily, the offfenders dealt with, and the thread being re-opened later when people have cooled down.
5 - I'd love to see Feeback type thread in this forum where people can question or appeal decisions without being thrown the usual "Take it to Feedback" line. I dont know if its feasible, or if the Admins of Boards.ie would agree to it, but it would go a long, long, looooong way to cutting out some of the bad feeling that crops up every week or so.
So thats it...thats how I personally would like to see things proceed. Again, just my personal opinion, and many of you might disagree with some or all of the points, and I'm sure some of you will have more to add.
One last point I'd like to make, without being too bolshy, if I may....and I've said it many times before.
Moderators are not here to control a forum, direct it, or decide what can and cannot be spoken about. They are here simply to make sure everyone plays fair and maintains a certain level of civility. The users own the forum.0 -
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I agree with the general thrust of what Shiva wrote above although not entirely. Since he's written a very well put together post, I'll run with that - and apologies to Shiva for the quotation malarky that is to follow; I'm as much writing my own thoughts as using his words to steer myself lest I get distracted.... Hence the pretty strict rules which evolved over time to enable discussion to take place without always turning into a frag-fest. Given the size of the Boards.ie hierarchy of fora, those rules have had to be applied across the board, and are pretty inflexible.
And thats where the problems lie, I think. The airsoft forum is a different beast altogether. The proportion of people who know each other in "real life" is much, much higher,
I don't really think that the above argument applies; the airsoft forum is no different to any other forum on boards.ie really when you cut right down to it. Certainly no different than say; the nocturnal forum, or the surf forum, or paintball, miniature gaming etc. where a lot of people do also know each other physically within relatively small social circles.
I think it's more down the fact that we have a small community that is comparatively new and everyone wants to get their .2c in on how it grows. Nothing wrong in that, but show me any two people who claim to be passionate about a hobby/topic with wildly differing views who never argue about it and I'll show you two very stoned people.
Edit: At the end of the day, users - whilst owning the forum(s) as Shiva has correctly pointed out - also have to take responsibility for their own conduct, as much as they may cry foul on moderator actions.On the topic of post deletions...I realise sometimes its necessary, but I'd like to see it kept to an absolute minimum, and only used when absolutely necessary. There have been cases of perfectly innocent posts being deleted and no notification or reason being given. This is not acceptable - its causes great frustration on the part of the poster, and subsequently reduces their willingness to contribute in future.
Tag deletions - As highlighted by Gareth, there were a number of tags deleted from the Off-Topic thread, again with no notification or explanation. Unless there was some kind of personal abuse going on, I can't see why that would happen, or what offense they caused.
Regarding post deletion (I haven't witnessed tag deletion so wont comment), it's sensible to at least provide a post on-thread stating that posts have been deleted and that the mods are watching/action taken, etc. as much to notify the users in question as to serve as a warning to all and sundry.
If a post is so outrageous that it warrants removal along with the user getting a ban, the ban notification gets used to explain why they've been banned and/or that their post(s) have been deleted.
Simply deleting posts like a ninja isn't kosher though. And that leads me on to ...My biggest issue is with locking threads. It drives me insane. I honestly dont believe theres any reason to lock a thread other than it was started as a troll. If the discussion veers way too far off-topic, a gentle reminder to get back on topic is available as a moderation tool. Likewise, if a row erupts and personal abuse starts to get thrown about, the option to sanction the poster exists - I start breathing fire when I see a thread locked because two idiots cant see the difference between a reasoned argument and a mortal insult. And this new thing that seems to have cropped up where the original poster decides to "request lock" ? GTFO Once someone writes a new topic post, and clicks submit, they lose ownership of it. They have absolutely no right to request its closing. If they dont want to take part, they can simply stop posting there.
Threads shouldn't be locked unless there's major trollage going on, or it's gotten very messy and/or there's a full on flame-war going on and the mods need to both calm it all down post-haste and/or time to review it all to decide on a course of action.
From a retired-mod perspective, I would be less likely to lock main forum threads as opposed to specific sub-fora threads and even then it's very much on a sliding scale of necessity. For example, adverts needs ruled with an iron fist given that people stand to lose money due to misunderstandings or unscrupulous behaviour. Unlike the questions sub-forum (for example) where if someone comes in wanting to sell something, the thread just gets moved to adverts and/or any additional action taken regarding that particular sub-forums rules.
In my time, I never, ever locked an adverts thread because the OP was finished with it or requested it locked as a matter of course. Finished adverts threads fall off the back pages gracefully. If there's an issue down the line, the thread can be returned to and that's the way it should be for that forum.
The only other real case I could think of to lock a thread at the OP's request would be if they made a duplicate and realised their mistake. But at that point you can just delete a thread, or merge thread posts together into one where needed.
So in short, an OP requesting thread-lock need a damn good mofo of a reason IMO, otherwise as Shiva has so succinctly said; GTFO.Post reporting. We've all at some point or another been told if we have a problem with a post, we should click the little red triangle. Well, I've done that in the past and nothing has been done, and I've received no feedback. I'm willing to admit that I may have reported a post that was perfectly innocent, and thats why nothing was done, but it would be nice to get some feedback about it so I know. Otherwise it can cause accusations of bias.
This is a tricky one. All respective mods get notified via email and a thread does get created in a special mod-only forum regarding same whenever a post gets reported - along with whatever comments the user makes (so be careful what you yourself write .... ). But if the mods are all busy with r/l then there's not much that can be done unless an SMod or Admin notices a very large amount of reports coming in regarding a particular thread and acts in the meantime.
Short of having permanent mods on paid, 24/7 shift there's not really much that can be done. To build on what Shiva has suggested though, maybe a stock-response for user-reported posts to let them know it's been received and will be followed up as soon as possible for a mod to review it?Another issue I have ( I know, I have loads !) is this perception that moderators are not accountable to the users. I understand that Boards.ie take a very dim view of users questioning mod decisions, and that this is a Boards-wide thing, but in my opinion, its wrong, especially in a forum like this. I know there has to be a certain amount of respect paid to the moderators, and I acknowledge that its not an easy job to do, but every single moderator who accepts that responsibility does so knowing full well its a tough job - No-one is made moderator who hasn't been active in their forum, so this whole "We're volunteers, dont question us" attitude just doesnt cut it. You can say Feedback, Helpdesk and PMs are options if you dont agree with a moderator decision, but frankly, thats a farcical way to handle complaints. With Feedback you get every jackass with an opinion wading in, and in most cases moderators of other forums wade in with "Dem's the rules, deal with it" posts without even considering the complainant might have a valid case. Helpdesk is also pointless because only the complainant, the moderator and the various cmods and admins can interact there, so the complainant ends up being outnumbered. And god help the poor bugger if he isnt very articulate !
I'll deal with this in a couple of parts.
First things first (imo of course): the reason for the whole "don't challenge the mods" isn't to discourage users from taking issue, it's historically been to discourage a) threads going willllllllllllllllllldly off-course with insane amounts of FIGTN' DA POWAAA and b) in relation to point a, to keep matters calm lest other users decide to either chip in or start to take potshots at the person taking issue.
If you recall when airsoft adverts first started, the amount of people who simply refused to take stock of the rules and went off on accusation of power-tripping et al. was staggering. This was simply down to the fact that most users never remembered (or weren't around) the old For-sale forums (now incarnated as adverts.ie) and that there were very different and far stricter rules in place than anywhere else on boards.ie. Had the mods entertained every perceived slight on-thread, the adverts forum would have been long since closed down as unworkable due to the signal to noise (mostly noise) ratio.
Ok, so the next bit; taking it to feedback/helpdesk.
Feedback has been cleaned up a lot in the last year as far as I'm aware and before I handed in my modship, the admins were taking efforts to have it cleaned up.
BUT with that said and done, if you go in there ranting and raving and come across like a loony, you wont be doing your position any favours. But then again, pick up the phone and rant and rave like a loony to any service provider/shop/etc. and see how far you get either. Common sense rules the day in your approach.
Helpdesk should never be used as a means of "feedback". It's there for actual problems/troubleshooting, not disagreements or "I dont like de look o dat". This is why posting is restricted, unless the SMods permit specific users to post also. The only caveat to the above I would as is where a user disputes a ban, has approached the mod and their category mod and doesn't feel like they're being listened to.
Wrapping up on what Shiva has said, I would be hesitant to ask for a feedback thread for the airsoft forum as I do not believe that any reliable, meaningful data could be extracted from it. The one for adverts works because it's very specific and focused in what it is there to do and has very stringent rules on how you can use it. The rest of the airsoft forums are just too 'loose' regarding scope for a meaningful feedback thread.Transparency in moderation
When people ask for transparency here, what do they want exactly? Full disclosure of every single mod conversation? Mod inboxes made publically viewable? etc. Yes, I'm being overly dramatic here, but it's to make a point
I get the feeling that 'transparency' is less to do with transparency and more to do with feedback on things you do/request or "reasons why <insert event here>". Reported posts may not get acted on at all because they are deemed non-actionable. Reported posts may not get acted on for a few hours because no mods are currently available due to r/l. Suggestions PM'd to mods tend to get batted around a bit and discussion may take a few days (or weeks/months depending on whether or not the issue gets parked and r/l committements), etc. Sometimes there's just a shed-load of activity for mods to get through, sometimes they just don't enough time due to r/l, sometimes they're being lazy or have gotten home after ten hours of work/commute and see a list longer than their arm and think "B*llocks". I'm not defending inaction, simply pointing out that people are people and that mods are people "suckers that said yes" too0 -
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I'd like to start with an apology; this will be a long post. I will try and summarise at the end...so if you're not in the humour to read this, skip right on through to the last paragraph.
Steve, I think it is very commendable for you to stir things up as soon as you've become a moderator; you're new to this forum, and are trying to sort things out. I like that a lot, and believe we need more like you. This sort of thing is the kind of transparency I would like to see from the Moderators; you have acknowledged that there is a problem, and are actively (and publically) trying to sort things out. I just hope that this degree of transparency continues, and that we see (or are told of) the outcome.
So, what is the problem? The main problem is an outbreak of 'Mountain out of a mole-hill' syndrome; it's rampant. People are getting fed up with the way in which the forum is A) Run (by the moderators), and
the way in which topics are constructed. There is little to no content anymore. There are three main symbiotic, simultaneous and intertwined causes to this:
- The moderators do their job to an extent that it has an adversed reaction on posting
- The users think that it is hopeless to post because of the overzealous moderation (allegedly, I'm not exactly in agreement on this point)
- The other users don't see much posted, and grow tired and stop trying.
People need to try. If no one tries to make things better, they will only degrade. All you have to do is look at this thread - 2 or 3 people have already said "What's the use, been down this road before and nothing changes"; that is some serious disillusionment from only 1 page of a discussion thread. It is imperative that we all try.
On that note, I will segway into Shiva's post. As per usual I would agree heavily with what he has said, albeit I hold a slightly different opinion. This is a community - as a community we decide how we are viewed by how we conduct ourselves. In the past T (Shiva) has drawn upon the similarities of a forum, and a pub. It is a great simile, and is extremely accurate. I'm going to offend and annoy people with this - but it is my opinion as an observer. In this pub we have:
- The staff (mod-squad)
- The local gangs (Hiveminded opinions, along with their own individual thought)
- The regulars (mostly individuals, frequent the place often)
- The casual not-so-regulars
- The drunkards (trollers)
- The passers-by (n00blets)
The staff's job is to keep the place a thriving nervecentre. To do this they must keep all the other groups in their place, and it must be done organically - if it is too rigid, it becomes like a Nazi Regime and the place will cease to exist as a thriving environment. Rigidity and structure is important, but it has it's place (i.e. the charter). The main rules are simple...no Trolling, no Fighting (i.e. full on 'x' V 'y'; fisticuffs in a real pub), no Racism, no Txt sp3ak etc. They're all simple, to the point and have a clear, transparent and easily explainable reason for existing.
The staff have to stop the local gangs from being overpowering; shouting people down, attacking people etc. The staff have to excise the trollers, and educate the new people about the rules and how things work. The staff should NOT have too much to do with the regulars, as these are part and parcel of 'How things are' - so the main thing the staff have to do is introduce some different guidelines to help steer things in the right direction. When this is done right, then everyone is free to have meaningul and topical discussions, as well as friendly banter. Problems arise when it is either not done, or done with too much vigor.
Just like in a pub, when you tell someone to calm down, or take it easy, you can get the backs up of their friends - this is an issue that needs to be sorted out with the two parties; staff and person in question, not with their back up. This should be done in PMs, and it should be made clear that it has been sorted out (i.e. transparency) - a return to the thread to say "Problem sorted" or something akin to that. The local gangs need to learn when to back off a bit for the good of the forum, and not try to take over. I'm saying they are consciously trying, but it can appear so.
The regulars need to try hardest at keeping discussion going - this is where banter is at its most important. So how do we allow banter, and differentiate between outright trolling? Once again, it is a simple solution to a simple problem; context. Make sure that your message can only be taken one way; this can be done as easy as adding emoticons to portray your motive i.e. poking fun etc. The new people should make an effort to learn the ropes, and get a feel for the place before coming in all guns blazing.
Just as a pub has its staff chosen by other staff, I do not believe that moderators should be voted in. Realistically it is a popularity contest, and they rarely end with the right person in power. In a pub it is likely for the local gangs to have a representative, possible for a regular, and unlikely for a new person. The other system is not much different mind you, so why swap a broken system for another broken system? You don't, you compromise; Boards.ie staff could shortlist some interested possibles, and general community could vote.
The crux of the issue is that the pub now has very few people going to it. These people sit in silence. More effort needs to be put in from everyone to instigate some discussion if this place is to thrive once more. Everyone needs to try, and not just say "Discussed before; search" - it could be as simple as providing the answer, and then say "If you'd like more info, there's plenty in this thread, where the question was asked before". There are big differences between the two, with the former conjuring images of exclusivity. The latter is much more welcoming.
Look, to end this post now, before I get scatter brained, the solution is simple. WE NEED TO TRY MORE. The forum is ours, if we whinge and do nothing to change, then nothing will change. If we just try to stir ****, nothing will change. If we play by their rules whilst trying to change them, then we have a much better chance at instigating a transformation. Moderators need to be a little more perceptive and less robotic - guidelines are guidelines. Yeah, I'm stopping here...might revisit to add more.0 -
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Thanks for the input so far - all good, please keep it coming.
Links? srsly, I'm still a noob here I'd like to read up on them.OK then...
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66594771&postcount=110
To quote Bruce Schneier "There are hundreds of comments -- many of them interesting -- on these topics" in the previous thread.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055950284&highlight=mods
I don't agree with everything Shiva and Fayer say, but there are some useful nuggets in there.
PS: when there's bullying of a mod going on, the rest of the team need to step in. The long-term problems are structural, not down to individual failings.
Sorry, was off line for the weekend. Thanks for the links Oz.
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Thanks Steve, deleting the line was enough, you don't have to don sackcloth and ashes on my account.
A few examples of what I mean by transparency (in addition to the points in my linked post, some of which have been addressed):- An explanation of the process for appointing mods
- Telling people that their complaint is in a que/invalid/in process
- More use of infractions
- If a mod has been told to implement some policy, or tighten up on something, then everyone should be told – and not leave it to one mod to take the user backlash about it.
I realise that the infraction system involves more work, but keeping track of someone's warnings can only be a good thing. If someone clocks up enough infractions then they'll get banned, just like a Driving Licence. This should be automatic, if it isn't already. And it's both fair and visible.
A short comment about bullying. Interactions between individual users, or users & mods, are fine. When it involves several people in a sustained campaign of complaining about one individual over an extended period, then it's bullying.
I'd really like to hear from former mods of this forum about why they stopped. In one or two cases we know why – RL issues like changing jobs – but we've gone through several in the last two+ years and it seems to me to be well above average.
There are also a couple of things I'd like to see tightened up on, but I might PM Steve about those later. Telling people to RTFS is one 0 -
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"@Danin: Defeatism achieves nothing except for shielding you against bitter disappointment at having failed."
Inari, Lets say we'll agree to disagree on this one because I don't view my post as defeatist at all in fact I see it as being proactive and as for "the bitter disappointment at having failed" sorry but I fail to see where there was any failure plus I'd be worried if I ever did take it to heart that much. If there was a failure it was on behalf of boards to its members by not taking the opportunity to live up to their promises of change after everyone's input.
Lets look at the facts
their was 16 pages of feedback and debate regarding this topic earlier this year and that's fact
name one prominent change that was implemented as a result of that feedback.
are posters to this forum still complaining about the same issues raised "YES" again fact
do we find ourselves repeating the same content in this thread "Yes" again fact
"and definitely more so than complaining about the lack of change"
And what happened to the rule go after the post not the poster you're making out that I'm in some way bitter "Why" I'm just stating facts
ha ha what is this whole thread about "only complaining"
and I see you named people for their valued input and failed to mention any mod or boards
If people stopped posting with hidden self gratifying agendas such as looking for the most thanks or to come across as intelligent or "the wise man of airsoft" we'd all be much better off and get a bit further down the road.0 -
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Danin, I appreciate any helpful feedback you have to offer.
Lemming's post was relevant to this topic, he's not a mod here and is not, in any way, on trial.
There's no hurry here, I'm giving everyone a chance to provide 'their own' feedback and ideas.
Please don't make this any more difficult than it already is, criticizing what anyone says in this thread will only discourage others from posting so please stop.
If you've something constructive to add then please do so.
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The current moderators look over the userbase and select someone who they think will make a good addition to the team.
It's not left open to a public vote as just because someone is popular on a forum does not automatically make them a good moderator.
We kind of assumed that was what was happening, but there was no information about it until now. In the absence of information, people assume the worst.
Of course.As a former moderator of this forum, I know the sheer volume of reported posts this place drags in. Unfortunately the above would just not be possible. It's hard enough to even read through all the reports sometimes, nevermind replying to every single person about their complaint.
That's a valid answer. If it's possible to comment in a thread about problem posts, that might help people to know that stuff was being looked at, and it might also reduce the number of reports. I think it's worth a try anyway.In all honesty, this place is a massive pain in the arse to moderate.
We all assumed that anyway
needles_two?
There's also a particular level of nastyness after creeping amongst some of the users and I'm just not willing to deal with it anymore.
Agreed. It's getting to be a real turnoff. Go back to the Rugby Referee system, I say.
I take Lemming's point about infractions being a lot of work, but at least they're transparent. And this forum obviously needs more mods.
Danin: thanks for starting the last thread, and for taking a big risk to do so. Since Steve is making an honest effort here, let's give it one more shot. If he tries and then gets nowhere with the next level up, at least we gave it a go.
There's a fundamental clash here between users who want no (or very few rules) and those who want to see the rules enforced impartially, thoroughly and transparently. I think boards will have to pick one, I don't see how they can be combined. I do think that if there's to be a NSFW or 15+ rated thread it should be the Off-Topic one – only – but the way it suddenly went "family friendly" wasn't well explained.
Unless someone has any more suggestions, I don't have much more to say. I'll keep reading though. Good luck Steve.0 -
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Indeed.Feel free to send me a PM about it.
All,
Just to let you know where I'm attempting to go with this thread:
First, it's life is limited so we're on a schedule - that's an attempt to keep the ball rolling so to speak.
As it reaches closure, I'll attempt to create a list of issues that have been brought up and, with your help, make sure everything is included.
We can then address each one in turn, figure out why the issue exists and how best to proceed and move forward in the best interest of the community. If that takes a thread per issue then so be it - this is not going to be a quick an easy process.
I imagine it will involve compromise on both the communities part and on the mods part - all to be discussed.
For now, keep posting what you perceive to be a problem and any suggestions that you have that would make this a better place - that is what this thread is about. There'll be opportunity to get into the nitty-gritty of each issue in due course.
Thanks again,
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Airsoft Reloded wrote: »Theres that serious thing again, let the mods mod, let o1s1n mod them and tell everyone relax
People come on here to discuss airsoft and have a laugh..at the moment not much of either is being done...new threads are non existant and old ones are stagnant because people can't have banter. People are leaving because of it..there are a finite amount of users here..only one thing can happen if it continues.
You run a site, imagine if you said to patrons "Come down to the site but you can't play airsoft but you can stand looking at each other"
Would your site last long?0 -
The retail section seems to be going fine, as does the advert section, the site section, the technical section, the review/question and the events section (Did I leave any sections out). Theres also a dedicated team section and a place where governing body info is displayed. The news thread is going fine i think
Perhaps there is no interesting discussions in the main section because after you take the above away from the possible conversations there isn't much left to say?0 -
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