Vegetarians, Vegans...

Guill

As a meat loving man i cannot come to grips with the idea of rejecting meat for ever!

Fish, pork, Beef, Fowl its all too tasty. I have even started raising my own meat because it is even nicer than the supermarket sh1t. Dont get me wrong, i adore my fruit and veg too but a life without meat is my idea of hell.

So a question for the veggies/Vegans;

You reject your natural place in the food chain.
Why?

(feel free to rant and rave, i think veggies are mad already!)

seamus

Guill wrote: »

You reject your natural place in the food chain.
Why?

The food chain is a nonsense concept. Logically by not feeding yourself to a higher predator, like a tiger, you too are rejecting your place in the food chain.

Cookie_Monster

Human = Omnivore

Bottom line is we are designed to eat meat as part of our diet and it makes no sense not to

PeterIanStaker

I hate it when people say "Oh, I'm a vegetarian except for fish".

Yeah? And I'm a non-smoker except for cigarettes.



Also I think Frankie Boyle said it best "yes, there is a vegetarian option - you can fuck off"

AnonoBoy

Lisa's going to marry a carrot! Lisa's going to marry a carrot!

Donkey Oaty

Guill wrote: »

I have even started raising my own meat

I couldn't do that. The steaks would be too high.

Princess Peach

I love a hunk of meat in mouth.

AnonoBoy

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

I hate it when people say "Oh, I'm a vegetarian except for fish".

They say that because they don't know the word Pescetarian.

Although I prefer to call them Pretendatarians.

maximoose

My girlfriend is vegetarian and so it affects my diet quite a bit when we're cooking dinner or something, have had to settle for a lot of quorn and tbh its not that bad! I dont think i'd miss meat that much if I gave it up

Apart from the quorn "Bacon Style Rashers"...they are like bacon flavoured fruit winders ugh

Bottle_of_Smoke

Unless you're a vegan you can't claim moral superiority. Look at the egg factories where they gas the male hens because it works out more cost effective than using them for meat.

petes

I raise my own meat everyday.

Cookie_Monster

That's Quorn stuff is the worst: I'm only going to eat pretend meat cos I'm a vegetarian :rolleyes:

Ouchette

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Human = Omnivore

Bottom line is we are designed to eat meat as part of our diet and it makes no sense not to

Vegetarians are omnivores too. They're not herbivores because they still eat animal products other than meat.

Sticky_Fingers

maximoose wrote: »

My girlfriend is vegetarian and so it affects my diet quite a bit when we're cooking dinner or something, have had to settle for a lot of quorn and tbh its not that bad! I dont think i'd miss meat that much if I gave it up

Apart from the quorn "Bacon Style Rashers"...they are like bacon flavoured fruit winders ugh

have you ever heard the phrase why have burger when you have steak at home? Well unfortunately the quorn steak derivative tastes like moldy cardboard so I suggest you go for the meaty burger. Best of luck with your relationship but it doesn't work out remember there are always plenty of fish in the sea, made of meat...

PeterIanStaker

This probably has been posted somewhere before but what the hell . . .

http://demotivationalblog.com/demotivational/2009/03/animal-right-animals-have-the-right-to-be-tasty.jpg

Bottle_of_Smoke

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

That's Quorn stuff is the worst: I'm only going to eat pretend meat cos I'm a vegetarian :rolleyes:

Meat replacement crap is worse for the environment too. to get the same amount of calories from it you need to use more land area and/or more energy input

petes

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jackiebaron

Guill wrote: »

As a meat loving man i cannot come to grips with the idea of rejecting meat for ever!

Fish, pork, Beef, Fowl its all too tasty. I have even started raising my own meat because it is even nicer than the supermarket sh1t. Dont get me wrong, i adore my fruit and veg too but a life without meat is my idea of hell.

So a question for the veggies/Vegans;

You reject your natural place in the food chain.
Why?

(feel free to rant and rave, i think veggies are mad already!)

Well, it is a fact that humans don't need to eat meat. We can get all our dietary needs from non-meat sources. The only things that meat provide are protein and fat but these can all be gotten from vegetables. Oily fish is a great source of certain acids and minerals but again they can be gotten from various other sources. I love fish and when it comes to meat I prefer to eat animals that are actually smaller than humans so I rarely eat beef, venison or horsemeat. Much easier to digest little animals like lamb, rabbit, hare, pork and fowl. But now and again I can just as easily go for days on veggie grub alone. The Indians, Chinese and Arabs make some mean veggie dishes. Couscous, Falafel, Humus, Aubergine and spud curries. YUM!
Beef will give you arse cancer!

Peace!

Princess Peach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM6xVQwIOYQ

Guill

Surely becoming a Vegan or vegitarian is a reflection on society and how it has changed so much. People have too much money and can afford to reject meat.

petes

jackiebaron wrote: »

I love fish and when it comes to meat I prefer to eat animals that are actually smaller than humans so I rarely eat beef, venison or horsemeat. Much easier to digest little animals like lamb, rabbit, hare, pork and fowl.

Peace!

Are you saying because the animal is smaller than you it's easier to digest

Guill

jackiebaron wrote: »

Well, it is a fact that humans don't need to eat meat. We can get all our dietary needs from non-meat sources. The only things that meat provide are protein and fat but these can all be gotten from vegetables. Oily fish is a great source of certain acids and minerals but again they can be gotten from various other sources. I love fish and when it comes to meat I prefer to eat animals that are actually smaller than humans so I rarely eat beef, venison or horsemeat. Much easier to digest little animals like lamb, rabbit, hare, pork and fowl. But now and again I can just as easily go for days on veggie grub alone. The Indians, Chinese and Arabs make some mean veggie dishes. Couscous, Falafel, Humus, Aubergine and spud curries. YUM!
Beef will give you arse cancer!

Peace!

lamb! I forgot Lamb! Lovely lamb shanks, with the juice dripping off theM! Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.

--Kaiser--

I'm going to post this for the benefit of any Vegans or Vegetarians, it's a review of a book called The Vegetarian Myth, written by a former vegetarian.

http://www.pmpress.org/content/article.php?story=VegMythEades

In the book she destroys most of the arguments put forward by vegetarians (divides them into 4: moral, political, nutritional and save the world).

In her own words;
"What separates me from vegetarians isn’t ethics or commitment. It’s information."

--Kaiser--

jackiebaron wrote: »

Well, it is a fact that humans don't need to eat meat. We can get all our dietary needs from non-meat sources.

But you still need to supplement with Vit B12, which is only available naturally from animal sources.

Guill

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

But you still need to supplement with Vit B12, which is only available naturally from animal sources.

On the assumption that the above is true i think that would confirm that humans are and need to be omnivores.

bonerm

seamus wrote: »

The food chain is a nonsense concept. Logically by not feeding yourself to a higher predator, like a tiger, you too are rejecting your place in the food chain.

How is he? Lower animals generally don't voluntarily feed themselves to higher animals either, so why would man? Besides, the fact that humans can thrive in a world of bears, sharks, tigers (and hippo's!) only further confirms our position at the top of the chain.

--Kaiser--

Guill wrote: »

On the assumption that the above is true i think that would confirm that humans are and need to be omnivores.

Naturally, humans could not survive on all vegan diet. Some tribes in India have survived on such, but only because they didn't bother washing their vegetables, which happened to have been grown in human faeces ( a source of B12).

It is a fact that humans could not have evolved such large brains without a diet rich in nutrient-dense animal products.

baltimore sun

Insurgent wrote: »

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Every veggie should look at that pic

I went to a veggie's house/dinner party one night and they fed us all veggie food, when it was my turn to host a dinner party i cooked steaks, they were insulted so I told them a load of us were insulted that they forced veggie food on us.

Guill

Could you imagine during the famine:

A father walks in the door and looks at his starving family. A smile spreads accross his face as he announces 'I've just caught a coupe of lovely rabbits!!!'
To which his son replies 'no thanks Da, i'm a vegitarian.'

I dont think so.....

krudler

I'm a member of PETA

People Eating Tasty Animals...

bonerm

Guill wrote:

Vegitarians, Vegans...

Guill wrote: »

Surely becoming a Vegan or vegitarian is a reflection on society .

Guill wrote: »

To which his son replies 'no thanks Da, i'm a vegitarian.'

Hi Guill.
I know they're git's, but just for future reference it's "vegetarian"

/grammar nazi

Peanut

Well if someone's written a book then it must be true.

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

But you still need to supplement with Vit B12, which is only available naturally from animal sources.

Alcohol is only obtained "synthetically" through fermentation also, but I don't see a lot of people worrying about that...

Sharkey 10

Could the meat eaters here go without meat for a year for a million dollars?
It think i know the answer most of you will give , phil ivey couldn't but with the amount of money they splash around it unsurprising.

http://www.onlinepoker.net/poker-news/poker-pros-news/phil-ivey-loses-1-million-vegetarian-prop-bet-dwan/5118

Cookie_Monster

Peanut wrote: »

Alcohol is only obtained "synthetically" through fermentation also, but I don't see a lot of people worrying about that...

except fermentation is a natural process

Snakeblood

Guill wrote: »

On the assumption that the above is true i think that would confirm that humans are and need to be omnivores.

Well, it wouldn't if you can get B-12 from a supplement. That would remove the need.

Guill

Fermentation is a natural process.

Cookie_Monster

Snakeblood wrote: »

Well, it wouldn't if you can get B-12 from a supplement. That would remove the need.

but that supplement will be animal based...
I've a container of vits here, no mention of being suitable for vegetarians / vegans, 100% of your daily B-12

bonerm

krudler wrote: »

I'm a member of PETA

People Eating Tasty Animals...

If I ever see you I'm going to throw a bucket of ketchup on your steak.

Peanut

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

except fermentation is a natural process

Ergo, non-animal B12 is a natural product, at least, as natural as beer.

PanchoVilla

bonerm wrote: »

Hi Guill.
I know they're git's, but just for future reference it's "vegetarian"

/grammar nazi

Hi bonerm.

It's "gits" not "git's".

thirtythirty

bonerm

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Hi bonerm.

It's "gits" not "git's".

Thanks. No, I'm no better. The word Vegitarians just jumped out at me.

Guill

bonerm wrote: »

Hi Guill.
I know they're git's, but just for future reference it's "vegetarian"

/grammar nazi

Now i'm an educated omnivore!

--Kaiser--

Peanut wrote: »

Alcohol is only obtained "synthetically" through fermentation also, but I don't see a lot of people worrying about that...

Alcohol isn't an essential part of the diet. If this is your standard of argument?

seamus

bonerm wrote: »

How is he? Lower animals generally don't voluntarily feed themselves to higher animals either, so why would man? Besides, the fact that humans can thrive in a world of bears, sharks, tigers (and hippo's!) only further confirms our position at the top of the chain.

My point here is that the food chain is a very basic illustration taught to children about how ultimately all of the energy that drives our bodies, comes from the sun.

It is not a set in stone biological process like, say evolution, because the very concept of a "chain" is far too simplistic to describe the complexity of these interactions. For example, pretty much all of the animals at the "top" of this chain are capable of eating eachother. And of being eaten by animals further down the chain.

Basing your moral viewpoint on the "food chain" is like basing your historical viewpoint on the bible. Good from a high level, but when you actually look at any of the details, the whole thing falls over.

itsallaboutheL

Nom Nom Nom Double XL bacon cheeseburger

Cholesterolarianism ftw

Peanut

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Alcohol isn't an essential part of the diet. If this is your standard of argument?

Lol. Nice deflection, but that wasn't the question - the claim was that it was only ("naturally") available from animal sources, which is clearly not true, especially considering that it's not even produced by the animals themselves.

Degsy

I beleive the word Vegetarian stems from an old Native American word meaning "lousy hunter".

Guill

Degsy wrote: »

I beleive the word Vegetarian stems from an old Native American word meaning "lousy hunter".

Excellent!

krudler

bonerm wrote: »

If I ever see you I'm going to throw a bucket of ketchup on your steak.

good! I drown stuff in ketchup as it is

--Kaiser--

Peanut wrote: »

Lol. Nice deflection, but that wasn't the question - the claim was that it was only ("naturally") available from animal sources, which is clearly not true, especially considering that it's not even produced by the animals themselves.

OK, it can also be obtained from bacteria if you happen to eat some animal faeces.

"Vitamin B12 is found in foods that come from animals, including fish and shellfish, meat (especially liver), poultry, eggs, milk, and milk products.[24] One half chicken breast provides some 0.3 µg (micrograms) per serving or 6.0% of one's daily value (DV); 85 grams (3 oz) of beef, 2.4 µg, or 40% of one's DV; one slice of liver 47.9 µg or 780% of DV; and 85 grams (3 oz) of molluscs 84.1 µg, or 1,400% of DV."

(There is no B12 in beer by the way)