University Fees

Kimono-Girl

Kimono-Girl wrote: »

do the math!

10euro entry + 4 drinks a night = €30 a night (we'll ignore taxi's and food). multiply that by 3 nights a week = €90

multiply that figure by 40 weeks a year (to be fair summer and christmas weeks are not counted) and you get €3,600...


now if those 'students' a: stayed in and studied OR put away their drink money they would have a good chunk of fee's covered, so yes they could afford it...easily!

oh and those working part time would only need 11 hours a week at minimum wage for 40 weeks to afford these fee's!

But going out and enjoying yourself is part of college too, Why should I have to spend the money I worked for on something that should be provided for me.

ILA

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i wouldn't like them back. but the country CAN'T afford them, we had free fees, when things were going well, we were lucky, its by no means a right and anyone who feels so are either children of the spoilt celtic tiger, or delusional. Time to pull up our socks and stop complaining, I feel the same bout health care and welfare too

Your location says "Foxrock" and your involved with the Griffith College forum. Therefore no one cares, or should care, what you think.

wolfpawnat

Asher Vast Hippy wrote: »

Whats wrong with students having a good time once they get the work done. There are some very very sad people out there obviously.

No one is saying they can't have a good time, just don't play the destitute card while having it!

muffy wrote: »

Blah Blah Blah students are drunk rabble rabble. So what? Maybe they earned the money to go on the piss from a part time job? Maybe they work jobs at weekends so they socialise mid week? Maybe they have rich parents and even when they have to pay fees, they'll go out 3 nights a week? Maybe when they have to pay fee's, but get theirs covered by a grant, they'll go out 3 nights a week?
I go out mid week because I work 20hrs + in a job on the weekend, and I have thursday mornings off. Just because people go out mid week doesn't mean they have lots of money?!

SO if you work at weekends at minimum wage for 20 hours you make approx €170 and rather than putting that to good use like rent (which I assume is paid by your parents) you go on the tear and waste it! And then expect not to be one of the areas the gov looks at. I think the Celtic Tiger Cubs need to take their heads clean out of their behinds and take a good sniff at reality. When your parents were growing up they suffered great hardship.

In the 1980's people paid over 50p tax PER POUND if the worked over a certain amount of hours a week! We are going to have to suffer too. It is a recession, not Feck everyone else I want free 3rd level and boozing time!

muffy wrote: »

Obvious troll is obvious.

If you have a problem with me report me, but I can tell you, just because my opinion is not the same as an Ugg boot, starbucks drinking Drummie, does not mean I am a troll. I have opinions like everyone else here and just because you do not like them does not mean they are wrong.

wolfpawnat

Asher Vast Hippy wrote: »

I worked 2 days a week during college, worked all through the summers and lived at home. I could always afford to go out, and buy a few things but whats wrong with that. Why did I not deserve the right to go out and enjoy myself I worked hard for the money.

Do you deserve to enjoy your money, yes of course. We all do, but we are in a recession and sadly we all have to suffer. I do not want to be in this position, trust me, and no students did not screw over the country by taking out hundred million euro loans, but sadly since the ones who did will not suffer, we must, but we need to spread the hardship, not exclude one group in particular!:(

Kimono-Girl

Asher Vast Hippy wrote: »

But going out and enjoying yourself is part of college too,

Last time i checked you do not fail your course for not turning up in the pub on a Thursday night, you do however fail, for not sitting your exams, which you cannot do if you don't pay the fee's.

which makes more sense to spend your hard earned cash on?

Asher Vast Hippy wrote: »

Why should I have to spend the money I worked for on something that should be provided for me.

thats the thing it SHOULDN'T be provided for you, you have no entitlement to a college education (unless you've won a scholarship) its a gift from the government, that they can no longer afford to give, and if you think its a waste of your money going to college why are you wasting the tax payers?

Mark200

Kimono-Girl wrote: »

do the math!

10euro entry + 4 drinks a night = €30 a night (we'll ignore taxi's and food). multiply that by 3 nights a week = €90

multiply that figure by 40 weeks a year (to be fair summer and christmas weeks are not counted) and you get €3,600...


now if those 'students' a: stayed in and studied OR put away their drink money they would have a good chunk of fee's covered, so yes they could afford it...easily!

oh and those working part time would only need 11 hours a week at minimum wage for 40 weeks to afford these fee's!

You're very liberal with your maths there. I'm a student and I can't think of anyone I know who goes out 3 nights a week, 40 weeks a year. The students I know who go out the most usually go to places that are free, or close to free, to get in and have good drinks promos. IE... not €5 for a drink, not €10 to get in.

Also FYI - The University academic year, excluding exams, is ~24 weeks... not 40.

ILA

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Do you deserve to enjoy your money, yes of course. We all do, but we are in a recession and sadly we all have to suffer. I do not want to be in this position, trust me, and no students did not screw over the country by taking out hundred million euro loans, but sadly since the ones who did will not suffer, we must, but we need to spread the hardship, not exclude one group in particular!:(

The Irish people sure love having their **** pushed in.

wolfpawnat

ILA wrote: »

The Irish people sure love having their **** pushed in.

????

Kimono-Girl

Mark200 wrote: »

You're very liberal with your maths there. I'm a student and I can't think of anyone I know who goes out 3 nights a week, 40 weeks a year. The students I know who go out the most usually go to places that are free, or close to free, to get in and have good drinks promos. IE... not €5 for a drink, not €10 to get in.

i was estimating based on student clubs here in cork, i will admit they are not hard and fast figures just rough estimates, excluding of course the 11 hours a week at minimum wage ones...

muffy

wolfpawnat wrote: »

No one is saying they can't have a good time, just don't play the destitute card while having it!



SO if you work at weekends at minimum wage for 20 hours you make approx €170 and rather than putting that to good use like rent (which I assume is paid by your parents) you go on the tear and waste it! And then expect not to be one of the areas the gov looks at. I think the Celtic Tiger Cubs need to take their heads clean out of their behinds and take a good sniff at reality. When your parents were growing up they suffered great hardship.

In the 1980's people paid over 50p tax PER POUND if the worked over a certain amount of hours a week! We are going to have to suffer too. It is a recession, not Feck everyone else I want free 3rd level and boozing time!



If you have a problem with me report me, but I can tell you, just because my opinion is not the same as an Ugg boot, starbucks drinking Drummie, does not mean I am a troll. I have opinions like everyone else here and just because you do not like them does not mean they are wrong.

Oh you assume do you? I live at home, I cannot afford rent. The money I am making now (these are my xmas hours in work) is saving to pay my rent and my way come January when I go to Spain to study on Erasmus (awaits barrage of abuse for this).Who are you to tell me what to do with my money? You don't have the faintest idea what expsenses I might have. This post is laughable, you seem to have me pegged as some sort of moany southsider? I's appreciate less of the snide implications please. I currently get nothing off the government only my fee's. And I believe it was you playing the destitute card, saying you might not be able to complete your degree if fees came back. I just will not see my money going towards a black hole in the economy that is the result of greed and cronyism in this country. And that is my right too. Just beacause I might not starve to death if they bring back fee's doesn't mean I won't be significantly out of pocket.

mahamageehad

Kimono-Girl wrote: »

do the math!

10euro entry + 4 drinks a night = €30 a night (we'll ignore taxi's and food). multiply that by 3 nights a week = €90

multiply that figure by 40 weeks a year (to be fair summer and christmas weeks are not counted) and you get €3,600...


now if those 'students' a: stayed in and studied OR put away their drink money they would have a good chunk of fee's covered, so yes they could afford it...easily!

oh and those working part time would only need 11 hours a week at minimum wage for 40 weeks to afford these fee's!

The clubs in cork mid week are at most €6 entry. The vast majority of students I know (I am in 3rd year) don't actually drink in the nightclub as it's too expensive. But even if they decide to drink they would stick with the drinks on offer- Gorbys vodka splash for €2.50. I have never met a student that goes out 3 days a week 40 weeks a year. The majority of students go out once a week. And not every week either!

11 hours a week @ minimum wage is €95.15.
if that was saved for 40 weeks it would be €3806
Might be just enough to cover the fees!! :P

O wow i feel waaay better now! I mean who needs to eat or pay rent or pay bills or pay for transport??

Kimono-Girl

mahamageehad wrote: »

11 hours a week @ minimum wage is €95.15.
if that was saved for 40 weeks it would be €3806
Might be just enough to cover the fees!! :P

O wow i feel waaay better now! I mean who needs to eat or pay rent or pay bills or pay for transport??

well when i was a student i worked 30 hours a week, €259 a week (more if you work a sunday) (i worked sundays but did not add in time and a half as some people only get time and a third)

considering you would only be saving €90 a week to cover fee's im assuming €169 a week would be enough for a student!

melekalikimaka

ILA wrote: »

Your location says "Foxrock" and your involved with the Griffith College forum. Therefore no one cares, or should care, what you think.

second degree, paying myself... which is worse? living in a nice ares and going to a private collehe... or a might chip on ones shoulder?

muffy

Kimono-Girl wrote: »

well when i was a student i worked 30 hours a week, €259 a week (more if you work a sunday)

considering you would only be saving €90 a week to cover fee's im assuming €169 a week would be enough for a student!

We're in recession, it is impossible to find part time work, let alone get decent hours. I am lucky i found a temp xmas job in a shop I used to work in, many people with ample retail experience struggle to find jobs atm, and I'm in Dublin, can;t imagine the rest of Ireland's any better.

Mark200

Kimono-Girl wrote: »

well when i was a student i worked 30 hours a week, €259 a week (more if you work a sunday)

considering you would only be saving €90 a week to cover fee's im assuming €169 a week would be enough for a student!

I'd love to know what course you did where you managed to work 30 hours a week excluding Sundays and yet still keep up with your course work.

SueGrabbit

Mark200 wrote: »

Who says those on grants will have to pay the €3000?

Also, please keep your boring, meaningless sound-bytes to yourself. You sound like you're from Labour.

Well FF said so.


FF states they are doubling the reg fee from €1500 to €3000.

And cutting Grants by 40%.

So those 1 in 2 grant receivers, 40% of them will be where exactly, oh smart one?

That's right. Fu**ed.

mahamageehad

Kimono-Girl wrote: »

well when i was a student i worked 30 hours a week, €259 a week (more if you work a sunday)

considering you would only be saving €90 a week to cover fee's im assuming €169 a week would be enough for a student!

What kind of degree did you get that allowed you to work 30 hours a week while attending college?? Did you avail of free fees when you got your degree? Oh of course 30 hours a week! Thats the answer to everything! If only half the money in this country wasn't being pumped into welfare because there are no jobs!!

muffy wrote: »

We're in recession, it is impossible to find part time work, let alone get decent hours. I am lucky i found a temp xmas job in a shop I used to work in, many people with ample retail experience struggle to find jobs atm, and I'm in Dublin, can;t imagine the rest of Ireland's any better.

The rest of Ireland isn't any better.

SueGrabbit

Kimono-Girl wrote: »

well when i was a student i worked 30 hours a week, €259 a week (more if you work a sunday)

considering you would only be saving €90 a week to cover fee's im assuming €169 a week would be enough for a student!

I don't know what course you're studying.

But I have 36 hours of lecture/lab/tutorial time during my week, and i'm cramming for xmas exams already.

So I either you did Arts or you skipped a serious amount of college and studying time to work.

Not all of us are priveleged to be studying a slackers course most of us are in there and doing what should be done.

The difference between a first and a two-one at the end of the degree can mean a job.

Mark200

Mark200 wrote: »

I'd love to know what course you did where you managed to work 30 hours a week excluding Sundays and yet still keep up with your course work.

Working 30 hours a week would have hell of a lot more of a bad effect on your college work/study than going on the beer of a thursday night.

I worked Fridays which I was usually off and Saturdays. If I went out on a Thursday I was at work on Friday morning regardless of what condition I was in or else I was in for a lecture if I had one.

The Waltzing Consumer

SueGrabbit wrote: »

I don't know what course you're studying.

But I have 36 hours of lecture/lab/tutorial time during my week, and i'm cramming for xmas exams already.

So I either you did Arts or you skipped a serious amount of college and studying time to work.

Not all of us are priveleged to be studying a slackers course most of us are in there and doing what should be done.

The difference between a first and a two-one at the end of the degree can mean a job.

Lots of courses, including law or arts etc., have little actual lecture hours so many people do work a lot. In my undergrad, I worked three full days and an evening or two at most, which was about 30 hours or three full days and one evening which is around 26 at minimum. I had a 20 hour contract but was able to do more because I had a weekday without lectures. There was still plenty of time to do my course work.

Kimono-Girl

Asher Vast Hippy wrote: »

Working 30 hours a week would have hell of a lot more of a bad effect on your college work/study than going on the beer of a thursday night.

but it will have a better effect on you finances then going on the beer!

it really doesn't matter what course i did, it has no relation to fee's coming back in (but since you all are so keen to know it was early childhood studies in UCC)

students complain they cannot afford the fee's, working half the hours some of you work will pay these fee's, if you need more money, there are lending institutions who will help you, maybe if students became more responsible they would see that life isn't fun its hard work, regardless of career choice, and some sacrifices have to be made once you hit 18!

muffy

Kimono-Girl wrote: »

but it will have a better effect on you finances then going on the beer!

it really doesn't matter what course i did, it has no relation to fee's coming back in (but since you all are so keen to know it was early childhood studies in UCC)

students complain they cannot afford the fee's, working half the hours some of you work will pay these fee's, if you need more money, there are lending institutions who will help you, maybe if students became more responsible they would see that life isn't fun its hard work, regardless of career choice, and some sacrifices have to made once you hit 18!

I am lucky most people can't get jobs of any kind right now, and no, banks will not lend students money.

Patricide

muffy wrote: »

I am lucky most people can't get jobs of any kind right now, and no, banks will not lend students money.

This is true. Where are all these students going to get job. Jobs were like golddust before, now its going to be dam near impossible with the rise in students searching for one.

perri winkles

SueGrabbit wrote: »

I don't know what course you're studying.

But I have 36 hours of lecture/lab/tutorial time during my week, and i'm cramming for xmas exams already.

So I either you did Arts or you skipped a serious amount of college and studying time to work.

Not all of us are priveleged to be studying a slackers course most of us are in there and doing what should be done.

The difference between a first and a two-one at the end of the degree can mean a job.

Um, sorry, but Arts is not a slackers course. Im doing it at the moment, and while we may have less teaching hours, the amount of extra reading and work keeps me very busy. I work one day a week and I get by on that, I was on one full day and a night but I couldn't keep up the night as I was struggling to keep up with my course work.

You sound seriously conceited.

Not everyone who does arts is a slacker and I'm really offended by this assumption. I agreed with you up until I saw that comment.

wolfpawnat

muffy wrote: »

Oh you assume do you? I live at home, I cannot afford rent. The money I am making now (these are my xmas hours in work) is saving to pay my rent and my way come January when I go to Spain to study on Erasmus (awaits barrage of abuse for this).Who are you to tell me what to do with my money? You don't have the faintest idea what expsenses I might have. This post is laughable, you seem to have me pegged as some sort of moany southsider? I's appreciate less of the snide implications please. I currently get nothing off the government only my fee's. And I believe it was you playing the destitute card, saying you might not be able to complete your degree if fees came back. I just will not see my money going towards a black hole in the economy that is the result of greed and cronyism in this country. And that is my right too. Just beacause I might not starve to death if they bring back fee's doesn't mean I won't be significantly out of pocket.

Yes assume, but assume admits lack knowledge on the matter.

As for the Barrage of Abuse, if you pay your way it is a great thing to do!

I do not see you as the Ugg boot Drummy, I actually made mention of them in my nursing degree.

That is not a destitute card, it is the realism one. I know I will not be able to complete my degree. I do not moan about, I accept.

Mark200

SueGrabbit wrote: »

Well FF said so.


FF states they are doubling the reg fee from €1500 to €3000.

And cutting Grants by 40%.

So those 1 in 2 grant receivers, 40% of them will be where exactly, oh smart one?

That's right. Fu**ed.

Link to where they said so? FYI - the USI citing a super secret Government source doesn't count

Also, cutting the grant by 40% doesn't mean they're removing the registration fee from the grant like you said.

And you really don't understand how the grant works. When one says that the Government is cutting the grant by X%, they don't mean X% of those on a grant will no longer be getting it. They usually mean that those on a grant will have the amount they receive cut by X%.

MickShamrock

I wish I could get free fees.

melekalikimaka

perri winkles wrote: »

Um, sorry, but Arts is not a slackers course. Im doing it at the moment, and while we may have less teaching hours, the amount of extra reading and work keeps me very busy. I work one day a week and I get by on that, I was on one full day and a night but I couldn't keep up the night as I was struggling to keep up with my course work.

You sound seriously conceited.

Not everyone who does arts is a slacker and I'm really offended by this assumption. I agreed with you up until I saw that comment.

not asking to be specific, but i have never heard of such an intense arts course, would you mind telling us even the subjects?

Tar.Aldarion

lol at being only able to work one day a week on an arts course, people can work more in 40 hour a week engineering courses...

The Waltzing Consumer

Come on guys, firstly if a poster has a huge amount of college work and can only spare one day to work, it is hardly the time to be smug at maybe your own ability to manage college and employment.

Arts can mean maths, economics, law, psychology and many other subjects which are tough if you are not good at it.

This "lol" at people who struggle in college is childish