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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Seriously considering pre-ordering the DK2. I don't think I can wait till god knows what month in 2015 for the consumer version. I want to start experience VR now!! Consumer launch will just mean a res bump for me then assuming the CV1 is 1440P

    The problem is that I haven't gamed conventionally in donkeys years. BF2 was the last game I regularily played. Too many other interests and responsibilities in the intervening years. VR is something I've watched and waited for since the Lawnmower man days though and is what will pull me back in.

    Unfortunately I'll have to also save up for, New Desk. Peripherals, PC with discrete GPU to replace me SFF iGPU PC I'm using now.

    So its not just the $300 for the DK2 I need to find :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭Lu Tze


    Calibos wrote: »

    So its not just the $300 for the DK2 I need to find :D

    It costs more than that!
    Items:
    Development Kit 2 ($350.00) x 1 = $350.00

    Shipping: $55.00 USD
    Tax: $93.15 USD
    Order Total: $498.15 USD

    Pre-ordered on March 20th, not sure when they will start shipping.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Lu Tze wrote: »
    It costs more than that!



    Pre-ordered on March 20th, not sure when they will start shipping.

    I wonder will you actually be charged that tax amount. Its bad enough possibly getting hit for 4% customs and 23% Vat on the Invoice amount + Shipping on this end. Surely overseas orders don't incur US sales Tax?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    Calibos wrote: »
    I wonder will you actually be charged that tax amount. Its bad enough possibly getting hit for 4% customs and 23% Vat on the Invoice amount + Shipping on this end. Surely overseas orders don't incur US sales Tax?

    they preclear them for customs. they pay the charge afaik


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Brian


    Yeah, it's Irish tax afaik.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Ah thats fair enough so, albeit effectively guaranteeing the Customs and VAT hit. Then again shipping via a courier (Fedex/DHL/UPS etc.) as opposed to the USPS also guarantees the hit.

    [Side-note] Given a choice when shipping from America I always pick the USPS which means an interface with ones national/ex-National postal service (An Post/Royal Mail etc) which generally means a 50/50 chance of it getting through without taking the hit. Just 3 months ago I got some bits from Corsair for $400 odd and didn't get hit for customs or VAT. Saved thousands over the years by always choosing the USPS. Used to be even better odds until the expansion of the Portlaoise Customs sorting centre a few years ago.

    At least I now know I don't have to make provision for possibly paying another 4+23% on top of Lu Tse's $498 figure. About €360 at todays exchange rate.

    The only thing thats depressing me more than the wait is the fact that every Oculus thread on forums everywhere quickly get bogged down by the "Evil Facebook VR ad plastered Farmville" strawman arguments and the "VR was over promised under delivered Hype 20 years ago therefore this will be exactly the same and a Fad like 3DTV and sure its just a TV screen strapped an inch from your eye" arguments. They only show their ignorance of the History of VR, its difficulties, the latest tech advances that make it doable well at consumer price-points now and even a basic understanding of what it means. ie. The tech is now capable of fooling the brain and senses into actually believing one is in the scene not just observing it on an immersive wrap around screen close to the face. Of course, they'll all "Get It", ie understand it when the Consumer version is launched and they get to demo it but its frustrsating that until then we have to listen to them pollute every thread with, "Meh, its hype like 3D TV"

    Saw a youtube vid just the other day demoing a non gaming application that facebook and zuckerburg talked about that isn't immediatly obvious but shows that gaming will be only one of many applications. It was an on the rails walkthrough of a Tokyo train station by a guy with a 360º camera mounted to a helmet on his head.

    Imagine a rickshaw tour of Kuala Lumpur. The tour is pre-recorded with a 360º 4K camera mounted to the rickshaw. Video as opposed to google streetview photo snapshots. Strap on your eventual 4K Oculus and you can take the tour, look around you at the street vendors as you pass by, gaze up at the Petronas Towers, Oculus delivers the feeling of "Presence" and the sights, positional audio the sounds and the only thing missing will be the sensation of the stifling heat and humidity......

    Courtside view of the Wimbledon Final with full feeling of "presence". ie. a 360º camera mounted courtside. You actually have to turn your head left and right to follow the ball, you hear a gob****e yelling obscenities at the umpire from behind you. Look over your shoulder and there he is with his missus elbowing him in the ribs telling him to shut up.....

    You retire your dedicated Home theater room and equipment and turn it back into a dining room and no longer have to pull the curtains to watch a movie on your projector during the day because.......every time you watch a movie you are watching in a Virtual recreation of the Imax Odeon. You got to pick your perfect seat every time. The virtual avatars of movie goers aren't throwing popcorn at you or kicking your seat. The screen isn't 120 inches, its 120 feet across. You have to look left and right a bit to take the whole screen in. Yeah, its still only taking up the same effective FOV as if you'd just stood 6 feet from your old Panasonic Home projector screen but it is a totally different experience. It doesn't feel like standing too close to your home projector screen. It FEELS like you are actually in the Odeon Imax.

    Even games don't have to be conventional to be amazing. Sure, Flight Sims, Space Sims or driving games on a 6DOF motion seat platform will be the dogs danglies but you never realised how much fun it would be and how much time you would happily just glide over the alps as an eagle. Setting up a house fan in front of your face was all you needed for complete immersion in the experience. Even the dueling coffee table knights demo is apparently amazing. When the other player made his little knight jump off the coffee table onto the arm of the couch right beside your couch seated gamer avatar and ran behind your head along the back of the couch, you jerked to look over your virtual shoulder and were convinced you felt your real hair move when the little fcuker ran behind your head.

    FPS's will probably be the last thing I'll be playing in this when it comes out. After a few revisions when its 4K and even smaller and lighter. Wowza!! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭Lu Tze


    Calibos wrote: »
    After a few revisions when its 4K and even smaller and lighter. Wowza!! :D

    It will be a good few years before GPU power for 4k is affordable! Especially as I understand it needs a very high refresh rate to appear smooth and counteract motion sickness etc.!

    Have a HD7970 myself, hoping its enough for DK2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Brian


    Calibos wrote: »
    FPS's will probably be the last thing I'll be playing in this when it comes out. After a few revisions when its 4K and even smaller and lighter. Wowza!! :D

    All I want is for someone to recreate the sensation of flight and then I will live in Quake III Arena, "goggled in" :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Baked.noodle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭bassey


    Pfft, some lad nearly got impaled by a scaffolding bar the other day in Leixlip, and a plumber was very lucky not to get a face full of acid a few weeks back, mighty craic working out in Intel!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Baked.noodle


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    Trials will first begin indoors at DOCOMO’s R&D Center, with outdoor field trials following in 2015. DOCOMO aims to begin sharing its data in 2016 as carriers work to standardize 5G in advance of its eventual launch.

    We’re excited for the day that we can download an entire movie to our myriad devices in a half-second, although it’s a sobering reminder that someone’s always working to make the tech we love severely obsolete. Oh well. Bring on the future.

    [Source: NTT DOCOMO]

    Could this spell the end for our beloved desktops? With that kind of bandwidth cloud computing could be far more effective and affordable than crunching the numbers at home. I can see it now... "Daddy, what is this box I found in the attic?" :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,924 ✭✭✭✭ShadowHearth


    https://www.g2a.com/windows-8-professional-32-64-bit-cd-key-global.html

    Windows 8.1 for 27eu? Any catch? Outside of it being Windows 8.1.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,924 ✭✭✭✭ShadowHearth


    Emmmmmm, well thats cheap!

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-110-LG&groupid=17&catid=1120

    I like it. Though I really want to wait for those 4k 21:9 ratio monitors :(.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Emmmmmm, well thats cheap!

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-110-LG&groupid=17&catid=1120

    I like it. Though I really want to wait for those 4k 21:9 ratio monitors :(.

    Thats a 25". At the 21:9 ratio its the same height as a 20" 16:9.

    I had the 29" version for a fortnight and it was wasted on me as I don't often have multiple windows open, don't watch movies or game on it either. The 29" is the same height as a 23" 16:9. Luckily for me it had issues and I was able to RMA it for a refund and got myself a much cheaper 23" 16:9.

    IMHO only the 34" makes sense from a productivity pov but even at that only as long as you game and watch movies on it too. If you only want it for productivity than a bezel splitting the work area shouldn't bother you and you'd be better off with 2x 27" 16:9 monitors for half the price.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,924 ✭✭✭✭ShadowHearth


    Yeah, I sow it's only 25 inch. Definitely too small. I still love the idea of 21:9 for gaming.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 604 ✭✭✭Vandango


    Returned my faulty motherboard to hardwareversand and track and trace shows me it was signed for on Saturday. I heard nothing at all from them yet and I'm just wondering is this normal? Has anyone here been through this process with them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Seaaan


    Vandango wrote: »
    Returned my faulty motherboard to hardwareversand and track and trace shows me it was signed for on Saturday. I heard nothing at all from them yet and I'm just wondering is this normal? Has anyone here been through this process with them?

    They never contacted me. they just sent a replacement to the original postage address


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Not worth of its own thread, what do you all use for media playback on your TV? Got a DNLA share going but the Samsung UI constantly crashes. Chromecast, roku, rasberryPi, Amazon FireTv? So many choices.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭Serephucus


    I use Plex. As far as I know there's a built-in Plex app on Samsung smart TVs. Not having one of those, I use a Chromecast. You can't browse for videos on a TV, sadly. The TV basically functions as a secondary display for the phone, used when something is selected for playback.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Our samsung is Gen1 smart, AKA not very smart.

    Proper NAS not in place yet so for now Im going DLNA only as the router acts as a pretty decent mediaserver and uses sweet f'ck all power. Chromecast might do it, but its 3rd party support, not official. Screen mirroring and price are very attractive though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭Calibos


    For media playback we have connected to every TV in the house an Arctic MC001 Passive cooled low powered Atom D525/AMD Mobile GPU powered passively cooled mini-Pc's that where end of line and on sale at amazon for €99 last year. We run XBMC on them. ie. 5 of them. They run the XBMC skin I like (Aeon Nox 4.19) fine and 1080P playback is perfect. Then theres 3 laptops and 3 desktops also running XBMC.

    Using 2x Dual Bay Dlink Nas at the moment for our media content (850 Movies and (100+ Shows) 6000 TV show episodes) but will start building an interim Home Media server shortly with 10 drive capacity running WHS2011 + Flexraid for drive pooling and some data protection. (Single Parity Drive). Then next year when Haswell-E 8 Core launches and DDR4 and x99 mobo choices and price improves I'll be building this:

    306919.jpg306920.jpg
    306921.jpg306922.jpg

    Already have the Air 540 case and HDD Caddies.

    This Haswell-E 8 Core machine will be our Media and Game-streaming server using Steam Game-streaming which is in Beta atm. ie. All our XBMC media players and TV's effectively become Full power gaming PC's. ie. The game runs on the powerful games server which streams the game as a H264 1080P60 video. The client only needs to be able to decode the video stream smoothly and send control inputs with minimal latency. Even the weak cheap old MC001's are capable of this and as the house has a gigabit Lan latency isn't an issue either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭Revoker88


    Calibos wrote: »
    For media playback......

    :eek:

    You had me at "for media playback.....":p

    Some really artistic stuff there,thanks for sharing:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Kur4mA


    I use what's in my sig. I've gone through many iterations of Android boxes, an Ouya, a Acer Revo R3700 and now finally an Intel NUC running OpenElec as my frontend. In my opinion running an OS dedicated purely to media and not running XBMC on top of another OS does make a difference in terms of stability and performance.

    Backend is a Synology with 6TB of storage and it runs NZBGet for usenet downloads, NzbDrone for TV show management/automation from usenet, then couchpotato does the same for movies and mylar does the same for comics. :)

    I'm fairly picky about video quality tbh, but I keep Show Box installed on the Nexus 7 for the missus in case there's something she wants to watch that I haven't downloaded (or not bothered getting). Using Yatse or Allcast I can send the stream from Show Box over to my OpenElec system to watch it in HD.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭Luck100


    Wow, lots of sophisticated media setups here. I just have a laptop with hdmi straight into TV + sound system. Currently using MPC-BE as my media player. The laptop is also our torrent server, so I can just pick it up and go if I want stuff with me when I travel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭Serephucus


    At the moment, mine is an mATX rig in an Arc Mini. 2x3TB for documents and irreplaceables, and 3x4TB for movies and the like. It also handles backups of the family's stuff, uTorrent, and Minecraft.

    I'm thinking over the summer I might switch to this:

    ds380-34-1.jpg

    It's Silverstone's DS380. An ITX box, with 8x3.5 hotswap bays, and 4x2.5 internal bays. I'm also thinking I'll throw this in it:

    board.jpg

    12 SATA ports, and a passively cooled 14W TDP Avaton CPU (2.4GHz quad core). It also has two Intel LAN ports.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 604 ✭✭✭Vandango


    Seaaan wrote: »
    They never contacted me. they just sent a replacement to the original postage address

    How quickly did they send on a replacement after they received your returned item?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭Wossack


    my media setup; cross post from here
    shuttle xs35gt
    running an openelec release of xbmc off a 30gb SSD
    -the shuttle is passively cooled, so completely silent
    -boots in about 20 seconds

    It streams everything off my unRAID box in the next room over wired ethernet. Intend to rehome the server in the attic, once I get the house rewired next year. Server has ~4TB usuable, though is nearing capacity, but has plenty of room internally for expansion. Collection is mostly dvd rips of episodes, uncompressed in .mkv

    hdmi out from the shuttle to the telly, and then coax from the telly to the speakers (my old logitech z5500)

    remote is a logitech dinovo mini, which is showing its age (about 3 years old now, maybe more)

    umm, I guess thats mostly it

    lol, 2011 and I dont think anything has changed really..

    doubled my storage at one point, but same boxes

    5.1 got put away during the rewire, and didnt get reconnected. Server not moved to the attic yet.. (on the list!)

    DiNovo is still going strong - charger died yonks ago, but replaced with a spare I pinched from work. Battery still good in it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    My media player is a Broafleaf Mitx PC with brushed aluminium front, E5700, 2GB of ram and onboard Intel. Cost me €50 on Ebay, still going like a champ with XBMC! The only upgrade it'll get is an SSD if the hard drive fails.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Calibos, man am I jealous. Thats a household using a lot of media! 5TVs + Other clients.

    NUCs were on my radar. Might invest in one as they really are tidy units. Before that though the proper FreeNAS unit though, need to get proper content serving before we start pulling from loads of clients.

    Thanks for all the info guys!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Seaaan


    Vandango wrote: »
    How quickly did they send on a replacement after they received your returned item?

    I believe I posted it on a Thursday, and Tuesday 2 weeks I got it. So 11 days.


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