N25/N30 - New Ross Bypass [open to traffic]

alta stare · 27-12-2018 1:21am

Charles Babbage wrote: »

This type of road is an alternative to the wide single carriageway with shoulders of old. These routes are not very busy, there is a limited to what provision is reasonable.

Oh right v good.

If you are suggesting the New Ross to Wexford/Rosslare is not a busy road i would disagree. I travel it quite a bit and it always has a good bit of activity on it more than the Waterford bypass which is seemingly a better type road.

Lord Glentoran · 27-12-2018 1:39am

Charles Babbage wrote: »

This type of road is an alternative to the wide single carriageway with shoulders of old. These routes are not very busy, there is a limited to what provision is reasonable.

Yeah. Rebuild the railway to Waterford and Macmine Junction and if the cyclists want exercise let them be a chain gang to do the work. Healthy in every respect.

marno21 · 27-12-2018 4:43am

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Waterford bypass is Type 1 (basically motorway), and they have to have concrete medians now. (The M6 Ballinasloe to Athlone was built with a crash barrier and the then-NRA flipped the lid and insisted on it being concrete in the future)

New Ross bypass is Type 2, also known as 2+2. Had no hard shoulders at all and has cheese wire grating or a crash barrier in the middle.

N25 New Ross Bypass is Type 1 as far as the N25/R733 junction and Type 2 east of there.

It's assumed that when the N25 Waterford-Glenmore scheme is built that Kilmeaden-New Ross will all be continuous Type 1 which *could* be redesignated motorway.

Chris_5339762 · 27-12-2018 11:12am

Ah ok. Didn't realise.

Nice as Waterford - Glenmore would be, I've always said that it would be a bit criminal if that section, despite being S2 between two Type 1/2 bits, was done before the Dungarvan bypass or Midleton - Youghal.

alta stare · 27-12-2018 12:12pm

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Ah ok. Didn't realise.

Nice as Waterford - Glenmore would be, I've always said that it would be a bit criminal if that section, despite being S2 between two Type 1/2 bits, was done before the Dungarvan bypass or Midleton - Youghal.

I cant see Waterford Glenmore being done for a very long time, if ever. The road between the (new) Glenmore roundabout and the Luffany roundabout isnt bad so id guess they would see it as adequate. The distance between the roundabouts isnt much either so i cant see anything happening for a long time.

alta stare · 27-12-2018 12:19pm

marno21 wrote: »

N25 New Ross Bypass is Type 1 as far as the N25/R733 junction and Type 2 east of there.

It's assumed that when the N25 Waterford-Glenmore scheme is built that Kilmeaden-New Ross will all be continuous Type 1 which *could* be redesignated motorway.

If that road was redesignated as motorway surely they would do away with the toll plaza. Probably not given it is still under contract.

BelfastVanMan · 27-12-2018 12:20pm

alta stare wrote: »

marno21 wrote: »

N25 New Ross Bypass is Type 1 as far as the N25/R733 junction and Type 2 east of there.

It's assumed that when the N25 Waterford-Glenmore scheme is built that Kilmeaden-New Ross will all be continuous Type 1 which *could* be redesignated motorway.

If that road was redesignated as motorway surely they would do away with the toll plaza. Probably not given it is still under contract.

Why would they?

alta stare · 27-12-2018 12:57pm

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

Why would they?

Why would they what??? Redesignate it or remove the toll plaza??

They may want to upgrade to motorway because they may feel it warrants it. The road is clearly motorway standard so why not.

Removal of the plaza would save having to stop on the motorway. Handy.

JohnC. · 27-12-2018 1:32pm

Lots of motorways have tolls. They're not going to remove it just because it's a motorway.

Chris_5339762 · 27-12-2018 3:21pm

alta stare wrote: »

I cant see Waterford Glenmore being done for a very long time, if ever. The road between the (new) Glenmore roundabout and the Luffany roundabout isnt bad so id guess they would see it as adequate. The distance between the roundabouts isnt much either so i cant see anything happening for a long time.

It was actually next on the list after New Ross and the Waterford bypasses. I couldn't comprehend why.

marno21 · 27-12-2018 4:30pm

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

It was actually next on the list after New Ross and the Waterford bypasses. I couldn't comprehend why.

Indeed, and the Blueshirts now have it prioritised too - Waterford-Glenmore & Carrigtwohill-Midleton (and Wexford-Rosslare) are being prioritised.

Meanwhile, Midleton-Youghal, Dungarvan-Waterford are being classed as not a priority until after 2027. Funny that.

prunudo · 27-12-2018 4:55pm

alta stare wrote: »

Irrespective of the above i still think having such small barriers separating a DC seems inadequate.

Agree, can't see that barrier stopping a fully laden artic. It looks so low that it could just cause it to flip over.
Would much prefer to see the concrete style barriers seperating carriageways.
Even from a maintenance point of view the uprights cause dirt and debris to collect over time, eventually causing weeds to grow.

alta stare · 27-12-2018 5:33pm

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

It was actually next on the list after New Ross and the Waterford bypasses. I couldn't comprehend why.

Oh really??? Im surprised at that.

alta stare · 27-12-2018 5:36pm

JohnC. wrote: »

Lots of motorways have tolls. They're not going to remove it just because it's a motorway.

Of course they do. Still doesnt mean there isnt a possibility of the plaza being removed after the end of contract. 2036 i believe.

allthedoyles · 27-12-2018 7:58pm

Rumour that there is an area marked out for toll on the current works , if required in the future.

nim1bdeh38l2cw · 27-12-2018 8:07pm

Nonsense

Nonsense

And still nonsense

alta stare · 27-12-2018 8:26pm

allthedoyles wrote: »

Rumour that there is an area marked out for toll on the current works , if required in the future.

I hope it doesnt end up as a toll. If it does ill just go back to driving through New Ross.

m17 · 28-12-2018 7:53am

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Waterford bypass is Type 1 (basically motorway), and they have to have concrete medians now. (The M6 Ballinasloe to Athlone was built with a crash barrier and the then-NRA flipped the lid and insisted on it being concrete in the future)

New Ross bypass is Type 2, also known as 2+2. Had no hard shoulders at all and has cheese wire grating or a crash barrier in the middle.

Tuam bypass

AugustusMinimus · 28-12-2018 9:59am

Cheese wire shouldn’t be allowed. Absolutely leathal for motorcyclists.

JupiterKid · 28-12-2018 2:10pm

Great to see sections of the New Ross bypass virtually complete.

Will any of these be open to traffic before the Barrow bridge is complete?

Also I notice the barrier is a solid Armco like one, not a cheese/wire rope one. Ideally it would have been a concrete barrier but the solid metal one is better than wire rope IMO. Will this become the standard for new 2+2 DCs going forward?

Chris_5339762 · 28-12-2018 4:12pm

Hopefully. I SUSPECT that they dont use the concrete barrier for cost reasons or to make sure they are distinguished from Type 1. Not that that makes it acceptable.

josip · 28-12-2018 4:25pm

alta stare wrote: »

I cant see Waterford Glenmore being done for a very long time, if ever. The road between the (new) Glenmore roundabout and the Luffany roundabout isnt bad so id guess they would see it as adequate. The distance between the roundabouts isnt much either so i cant see anything happening for a long time.

Hard to know.
There wasn't much progress with the New Ross bypass until Sean Connick briefly became a TD, a momentum that was maintained under Howlin's Wexford ministership.
Now that South Kilkenny has John Paul Phelan, who knows how future infrastructural budgets will be allocated.

alta stare · 28-12-2018 5:31pm

josip wrote: »

Hard to know.
There wasn't much progress with the New Ross bypass until Sean Connick briefly became a TD, a momentum that was maintained under Howlin's Wexford ministership.
Now that South Kilkenny has John Paul Phelan, who knows how future infrastructural budgets will be allocated.

South Kilkenny is too close to Waterford City so Mr Phelan wont encourage any development down that way, he would be worried we might invade like we tried a couple of years ago.

m17 · 28-12-2018 6:53pm

The barrow crossing 27/12/18

m17 · 31-12-2018 5:50pm

As 2018 draws to a close wishing all you roadies a happy new year

Azatadine · 31-12-2018 5:58pm

I was talking to a guy today who works on the bypass. According to him, the 'official' planned date for the bridge completion is Q4 but there's not a hope of that. Early 2020 more likely.

Pinch of salt and all that but long way to go on the bridge...

m17 · 31-12-2018 6:10pm

Azatadine wrote: »

I was talking to a guy today who works on the bypass. According to him, the 'official' planned date for the bridge completion is Q4 but there's not a hope of that. Early 2020 more likely.

Pinch of salt and all that but long way to go on the bridge...

Mrs Dempsey · 31-12-2018 7:47pm

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road_high · 01-01-2019 2:50am

Azatadine wrote: »

I was talking to a guy today who works on the bypass. According to him, the 'official' planned date for the bridge completion is Q4 but there's not a hope of that. Early 2020 more likely.

Pinch of salt and all that but long way to go on the bridge...

Going by the pics on here there looks to be a hell of a lot to be done yet on that bridge. Not to mention all the work finishing and testing a structure like this would need.
Also Glenmore to Waterford bypass is pie in the sky as there are dozens of schemes more critical that need attention- this was completely upgraded early1990s- some other roads haven’t changed since the 1950s... The N25 in west Waterford and co cork itself being prime examples.

marno21 · 01-01-2019 7:55am

road_high wrote: »

Going by the pics on here there looks to be a hell of a lot to be done yet on that bridge. Not to mention all the work finishing and testing a structure like this would need.
Also Glenmore to Waterford bypass is pie in the sky as there are dozens of schemes more critical that need attention- this was completely upgraded early1990s- some other roads haven’t changed since the 1950s... The N25 in west Waterford and co cork itself being prime examples.

Glenmore-Waterford is definately on the table now.. being advanced into planning & design in 2019. The rest of the N25 is suspended bar Midleton-Carrigtwohill & Rosslare-Wexford

N25/N30 - New Ross Bypass [open to traffic]

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