Prostitution in Ireland.

Millicent

Procasinator wrote: »

It would depend on a bar, but say a popular Saturday night bar might have 50/50 between the genders, while a lesbian bar would have closer to 100% of the one gender. For a hetereosexual guy, I can discount being interested in 50% of population of the bar based purely on their gender straight off the bat.

I wouldn't assume that gays bars are just pick-up joints, as such, it obviously depends highly on the bar. Many heterosexual bars are merely pick up joints. I would think (and I may be wrong) that are bar dedicated to a particular sexual orientation would tend to have a higher percentage of people looking to meet people they are sexually interested in (otherwise why is would the selling point of the bar be sexual orientation). Whereas a "normal" bar would probably have more people in relationships, people out for fun, etc.

I just think the ratios would more likely be in your favour as a lesbian in a lesbian bar. I don't want to create stereotypes of lesbians or avenues dedicated to that sexual orientation, however.

I'm not aware of any lesbian bars in Ireland. I was of the thought that all are LGBT bars with plenty of straight patronage. I know you're not trying to create stereotypes. Just think you have a bit of a simplistic view of gay bars here.

Monty Burnz

Millicent wrote: »

I'm not aware of any lesbian bars in Ireland. I was of the thought that all are LGBT bars with plenty of straight patronage. I know you're not trying to create stereotypes. Just think you have a bit of a simplistic view of gay bars here.

A field trip is in order, Procrastinator. I'll bring a clipboard. Millicent is buying the drinks.

Millicent

Monty Burnz wrote: »

A field trip is in order, Procrastinator. I'll bring a clipboard. Millicent is buying the drinks.

Oh great, how'd I get stuck with the drinks?! :mad: It's his hypothesis! :pac:

Bottle_of_Smoke

Millicent wrote: »

Even so, it still doesn't account for why lesbian prostitutes are unheard of. Not all people who use prostitutes do so because nothing else is available.

Lesbian prostitutes? By that do you mean women who will have sex with women for money?

I'd say at the very least a majority of all female prostitutes would cater for that. There was even an episode of House MD with one.

Mike 1972

Millicent wrote: »

I'm not aware of any lesbian bars in Ireland.

There are in other countries. Not 100% sure but I think there might be one in Dublin. Im certainely aware of Gay bars which have regular "womens nights" presumably the intended demographic isint "fag hags" (or whatever the polite term is)

Millicent wrote: »

I was of the thought that all are LGBT bars with plenty of straight patronage.

Lots of "straight" bars would have straight customers. But agree with point about Gay men visiting gay bars are not necessairly doing so solely to pick up partners Just like .....(Oh you know what I mean)

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I'd say at the very least a majority of all female prostitutes would cater for that.

Are we talking about bone fide Lesbians or prostitutes being lesbian for the benefit of male customers and/or swinging couples ?

Millicent

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Lesbian prostitutes? By that do you mean women who will have sex with women for money?

I'd say at the very least a majority of all female prostitutes would cater for that. There was even an episode of House MD with one.

I mean specifically lesbian prostitutes and not for the titillation of straight people. I ain't one to diss House but lesbian prostitutes make up a statistical minimum of prostitutes sought.

Procasinator

Millicent wrote: »

I'm not aware of any lesbian bars in Ireland. I was of the thought that all are LGBT bars with plenty of straight patronage. I know you're not trying to create stereotypes. Just think you have a bit of a simplistic view of gay bars here.

Yeah I'm generalising and simplifying pretty heavily here. Didn't think to narrow it to Ireland either, to be honest, I was talking in general.

The only reason I could imagine that there is such a dearth of prostitutes catering to lesbians is because the demand simply just isn't there for it. Why is probably a mix of things, but I'm going to hold myself back and not make some uninformed suggestions/guesses.

Mike 1972

Millicent wrote: »

lesbian prostitutes make up a statistical minimum of prostitutes sought.

Not ever having had the opportunity to discuss the matter with either a lesbian or a prostitute I guess Im going to have to accept your word on this one :pac:

Millicent

Procasinator wrote: »

Yeah I'm generalising and simplifying pretty heavily here. Didn't think to narrow it to Ireland either, to be honest, I was talking in general.

The only reason I could imagine that there is such a dearth of prostitutes catering to lesbians is because the demand simply just isn't there for it. Why is probably a mix of things, but I'm going to hold myself back and not make some uninformed suggestions/guesses.

Ah, see we're on the same page! I was kind of wondering out loud why there is little to no demand for it. You're buying the drinks on the fact-finding expedition!

Millicent

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Not ever having had the opportunity to discuss the matter with either a lesbian or a prostitute I guess Im going to have to accept your word on this one :pac:

I'm raging I lost a chunky of my essays. I had backup for a load of these points and it's too cold to go searching for facts, what with me conserving all my energy to sit on the couch and watch crap TV. Priorities, I haz dem! :pac:

Procasinator

Millicent wrote: »

You're buying the drinks on the fact-finding expedition!

I better start whoring myself out to save up the money so..
(I allow myself a couple distasteful jokes on Friday's)

Call Me Jimmy

I say, whatever the Netherlands says goes. They are the most honest country in the world and way ahead of their time. Including them leaking that fifa bull****.

I don't agree or disagree with prostitution but it should be legal. If someone wants to give me time/money for having sex with them, and I like having safe sex with strangers, then why should I be put in jail.

Liberate women, liberate men.

Or keep compressing the issue into a sound bite and watch vulnerable people from other lands suffer.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Millicent wrote: »

I mean specifically lesbian prostitutes and not for the titillation of straight people. I ain't one to diss House but lesbian prostitutes make up a statistical minimum of prostitutes sought.

I dont mean for the benefit of straight people. The house episode it was a middle aged woman who ordered a young woman from an agency

Again what do you mean by 'lesbian prostitutes' - women who have sex with a female customer or a lesbian who receives money for sex?

If it is the latter I'd imagine most escorts/prostitutes would cater for that

Millicent

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I dont mean for the benefit of straight people. The house episode it was a middle aged woman who ordered a young woman from an agency

Again what do you mean by 'lesbian prostitutes' - women who have sex with a female customer or a lesbian who receives money for sex?

If it is the latter I'd imagine most escorts/prostitutes would cater for that

Either or. Prostitutes who perform lesbian acts on women. It's not common at all and is dwarfed by sex acts on straight and gay men, and still a great deal less than sex acts on straight women. I'd say they might cater for it but there's apparently not much of a market for it.

ETA: This is the best source I can find at the moment and it's not a good source but purely anecdotal. If I find the study I'm thinking of, I'll link it later. Sorry I couldn't get a better one.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Millicent wrote: »

Either or. Prostitutes who perform lesbian acts on women. It's not common at all and is dwarfed by sex acts on straight and gay men, and still a great deal less than sex acts on straight women. I'd say they might cater for it but there's apparently not much of a market for it.

I wouldn't describe it as 'unheard of'. Its not gonna be talked about as much because people wouldn't view it as exploitation to the same extent.

Mike 1972

The ignatzmice site has a lot of stuff regarding prostitution in a legal framework (mostly but not exclusively from the punters perspective). Might be of interest for anyone looking into the issue either from a sociological (or some other :pac:) standpoint.

A visit to De Wallen or some of the other RLD's in the Netherlands is certainely an eye opener. Ordinary Dutch Families live side by side with all these shennanigans without a bother and one can see kids on their way to/from school past the "windows" without throwing a second glance. Thousands of tourists (male female and couples) pass through the place every day but probably 95% or more of them are just there for a gawp and never intend availing of the services on offer.

Its not unusual to see cops on bikes stopping for a friendly sounding chat with the ladies and with right slap bang in the middle of it all is a big Church. One can only wonder what the parishoners make of it all.

Millicent

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I wouldn't describe it as 'unheard of'. Its not gonna be talked about as much because people wouldn't view it as exploitation to the same extent.

The fact that the levels of gay prostitution are well known kind of puts paid to that assertion.

Dravokivich

Millicent wrote: »

Either or. Prostitutes who perform lesbian acts on women. It's not common at all and is dwarfed by sex acts on straight and gay men, and still a great deal less than sex acts on straight women. I'd say they might cater for it but there's apparently not much of a market for it.

ETA: This is the best source I can find at the moment and it's not a good source but purely anecdotal. If I find the study I'm thinking of, I'll link it later. Sorry I couldn't get a better one.

Actually.. on the site that was quoted earlier today... I've heard of escorts that have enjoyed the services of other Bi escorts.

Wouldn't be strictly lesbian, but they would be avail to cater for women as well.

Millicent

Dravokivich wrote: »

Actually.. on the site that was quoted earlier today... I've heard of escorts that have enjoyed the services of other Bi escorts.

Wouldn't be strictly lesbian, but they would be avail to cater for women as well.

Fair enough. Wish I could find that study. IIRC, it was a study of Australian brothels and that's where I'm getting my statistics. While the services may be available to those women, that doesn't necessarily mean it's utilised. kind of hard to tell without more study though, with prostitution being illegal.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Millicent wrote: »

The fact that the levels of gay prostitution are well known kind of puts paid to that assertion.

That would be seen as exploitation to the same extent as female prostitutes. They're usually referred to as rent boys.

I agree with most of your last post. My objection was to your use of the term 'unheard of' which looked like it didn't happen at all.

doubletalk

curlzy wrote: »

No I wouldn't, but then I'm a women. It's only (some) men that seem to think it's ok to pay someone for use of their body. Pity damn sick and sad IMO. The men that use prozzies are beyond pathetic.

The prostitutes are all men?

Call Me Jimmy

That poll should be taken out and shot by the way. It's just like politics, there's nothing real to vote for in it. I will not vote in the poll or the election for the exact same reason.

{Insert joke about politicians being promiscuous and chorus' of "I would pay for Harney"}

Audible sigh

Mike 1972

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

there's nothing real to vote for in it

Its a simple enough question. What part dont you get ?

Wolfe Tone

rossie1977 wrote: »

reading your posts on this thread you are clearly right-wing, your posts remind me of many republicans i have debated with on us forums

Im a republican all right, just not the yank kind.

Bottle_of_Smoke

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Im a republican all right, just not the yank kind.

Lol talk about unfortunate. This is like the one debate where Mussolini has similar views to right wing american republicans!

drive me mad

Einhard wrote: »

I couldn't sleep with a prostitute...well I could, but not in her capacity as a prossy...not because it's immoral or any of that kind of thing but I just imagine it to be so sterile and perfunctionary. I imagine the act of paying for sex with a woman who has absolutely no interest in you, possibly despises you, is more demeaning for the punter than the provider.

Having said that, of course prostitution should be legalised. It's a no-brainer. What the hell are we do legislating for morality in the first place?! It's not as if the service provided is somehow illicit or dangerous. And regulation is the only way that the safety of the working girls can be guaranteed. Also, it would bring in a nice little earner for the state.

Just an example of how ludicrousour laws are in this regard. There was a man prosecuted recently in Cork for running a brothel. S'posedly he was making a mint. The girls who worked for him said they worked in a safe, clean environment and made an excellent living, and felt under no compulsion to do what they were doing. And yet somehow, the man was busted, is now in prison, and the girls out of work. Not only that, but the investigation was started in the first place because the owner reported a man who was looking for underage girls to the police. So he does his civic duty, brings a sexual predator to the attention of the authorities, and he's shut down, incarcerated, and a potential means of indentifying paedos is lost. And for what? Nobody is served by the state sticking their long noses into our sex lives.

^^^^^^^Thread of the day^^^^^^^ (tomorrow)

Dean820

Obviously the 50 percent that voted against prostitution in the poll were mostly women. The same people who don't know what its like to be a man with needs. Its alright for them to be on the moral high ground isn't it? When they're not the ones who have to chat up average at best looking women who think they're the **** (common among Irish women) only to be looked down on. I've been to countries where women have been 100 times hotter and wouldn't have the ego some of these Irish ordinary looking women have.

I'm not saying I visit prostitutes, because I don't. But I have done so in the past. But I think people have to realise why men go too. In Ireland, Irish women are the main reason why men do visit these girls.


(not all Irish women are like this, but there's is a good percentage out there.)

Mike 1972

Dean820 wrote: »

Obviously the 50 percent that voted against prostitution in the poll were mostly women.

Woah there.

50 percent didnt vote against prostituton 50 percent* said they personally wouldnt use the services of a prostitute but only 10 percent* indicated they had any issue with other people doing so.

* aproximate rounded figures at time of posting yadda yadda yadda

MagicSean

Dean820 wrote: »

Obviously the 50 percent that voted against prostitution in the poll were mostly women. The same people who don't know what its like to be a man with needs. Its alright for them to be on the moral high ground isn't it? When they're not the ones who have to chat up average at best looking women who think they're the **** (common among Irish women) only to be looked down on. I've been to countries where women have been 100 times hotter and wouldn't have the ego some of these Irish ordinary looking women have.

I'm not saying I visit prostitutes, because I don't. But I have done so in the past. But I think people have to realise why men go too. In Ireland, Irish women are the main reason why men do visit these girls.


(not all Irish women are like this, but there's is a good percentage out there.)

You can't blame women. It's a biological difference between the sexes. Men have higher sex drives because of testosterone and inbuilt basic instinct.

Coriolanus

Wow, with the last few posts I thought I'd been transported back to the 19th century.