N/M11 motorway (for discussing COMPLETED sections)

PoolDude

Thought I'd share the most recent updates I have on the N11 from the Wexford and Wicklow CC.

Wexford CC:
I have now received our budget which will allow us to develop the Gorey scheme to the stage of seeking tenders by the end of this year. Given a continuous flow of funding, I would expect construction would commence in late summer/early autumn 2005. The contract will take approximately 21/2 years.

Unfortunately the budget for the Enniscorthy scheme will not allow us, this year, to proceed beyond its present positon i.e. the final route having been selected.

Wicklow CC:
The CPO and EIS documents for the N11 Rathnew to Arklow Road Improvement Scheme were signed on 9th July. The documentation for this scheme has been submitted to An Bord Pleanála for consideration. The Road Scheme is on public display at present up to close of business tomorrow. The deadline for submissions to An Bord Pleanála is 17th of September. The Council expects that an Oral hearing if required will be held in Late October or Early November. Planning for other phases of the Scheme i.e. Detailed Site Investigation are ongoing at present. If the Scheme proceeds successfully through the planning process the Council expects construction of the 16.33 km dual carriageway to commence in May or June 2006 with the Scheme completed in late 2008. Once this Road Scheme has been built all of the M11/N11 in Wicklow will be a motorway/dual carriageway. As the N11 Arklow Gorey Link has successfully passed through planning, users of Euro-Route 1 on the N11/M11, M50, M1/N1 should have continuous motorway/dual carriageway between the south of Clogh Village in Wexford and Newry in Co. Down, by late 2008.

Thx.

dmeehan

are there any other "Euro Routes" in this country?

ChickenBalls

Do you know when the Charlesland road that meets the N11 will be complete?

vinnyfitz

PoolDude wrote:

I have now received our budget which will allow us to develop the Gorey scheme to the stage of seeking tenders by the end of this year. Given a continuous flow of funding, I would expect construction would commence in late summer/early autumn 2005. The contract will take approximately 21/2 years.

Is this good news then? I understood that the Gorey by-pass was being long fingered as other projects soaked up the available cash. Does this imply that there is a delay but that its turning out to be a small delay?

Why is there any doubt about "a continuous flow of funding"? Surely if Wexford CoCo are allowed go to tender they will also be allowed issue contracts...

daverr

dont the NRA have new funding system, over a couple of years rather than per year?

commuterised

keith123 wrote:

Do you know when the Charlesland road that meets the N11 will be complete?

I heard they ran out of funding for that part of the road so it will just about reach the N11 and then it will stop. Well that's what my mammy told me anyways!!

The sooner they take those bollards away the better, it will be great to cut through Charlesland to get to kilcoole and bush corner.

murphaph

Euroroute E20 runs from Cork to Liverpool I think. It definitely crosses the Irish sea anyway.

impr0v

PoolDude wrote:

...ptember. The Council expects that an Oral hearing if required will be held in Late October or Early November. Planning for other phas...

The Oral Hearing is being held on the 2nd of November.

jlang

dmeehan wrote:

are there any other "Euro Routes" in this country?

Class A:
West-East reference:
E20 - Shannon - Limerick - Dublin ... Liverpool ... Moscow
E30 - Cork - Waterford - Wexford - Rosslare ... Fishguard ... Omsk

North-South intermediate:
E01 - Larne - Belfast - Dublin - Rosslare ... La Coruña ... Sevilla

West-East intermediate:
E16 - Londonderry - Belfast ...Glasgow ... Oslo
E18 - Craigavon - Belfast - Larne ... Stranraer ... Saint Petersburg

Class B:
E201 - Cork - Portlaoise

I've just included the Irish sections, the next overseas town and the ultimate destination.

More info: Wikipedia article

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PoolDude

Posted this on another thread earlier this week. The former has now become a reality. Lets hope the later information is also accurate. That would really open up the journey to and on the N11.

Just got an unconfirmed report that the section to Leopardstown will open this week/weekend and that it will open in it's entirety as soon as January. The first piece appears achievable but it woud be a major achievement on the NRA's part (and DLRCC) to deliver the later. Here's hoping.

VeeEmmy

Is the work in Inch completed? I see nothing on AA Roadwatch. Was it just a little quick job? When the NRA giveth, the NRA taketh away somewhere else along the route!

It was a nightmare yesterday evening. Huuuuuuuge tailback coming from Dublin side, and little accumulation waiting on the light in the northbound lane.

Ban

Victor

Banished-She wrote:

Is the work in Inch completed?

In Kerry?

PoolDude

At a guess; I'd say he is referring to Inch in North County Wexford, between Arklow and Gorey. As to the question, I have no idea but it is going to be bypassed when ever they start and eventually complete the Gorey bypass.

Victor

Gorey-Arklow
http://www.thrdo.com/wexproj02.html

Enniscorthy By-Pass
http://www.thrdo.com/wexproj03.html

vinnyfitz

It's a pity that all of the downloads (apart from non-technical summary and the "key location map") are not actually available to download.

PoolDude

Or up to date!

dmeehan

jd wrote:

When the Gorey bye-pass is finished, the congestion will move to Ferns. A T-junction, with traffic from Wexford having to give way to local traffic (Ferns->Bunclody) AFAIR.:rolleyes:

i am surprised that that junction has remained like it is for so long. (very similar to the bottom of the hill in Rathnew)

mike65

While Ferns is a poor junction its not bad for traffic as a rule, as local traffic is very light. I've never got held up there and of course they can alter the junction hierarchy.

Mike.

jd

mike65 wrote:

While Ferns is a poor junction its not bad for traffic as a rule, as local traffic is very light. I've never got held up there and of course they can alter the junction hierarchy.

Mike.

I have- and an improved road system north of it will attract attract traffic to/from enni9scorthy/wexford

PoolDude

With all the plans on the radar for roads around Ireland on the National routes, I am suprised there are no plans for a bypass of Ferns and Camolin. There will be motorway/dual carriage way from Dublin to Clogh by 2008 and next up will be the bypass of Enniscorthy. The road from their to Rosslare is good although a new road is planned to bypass Kilrane and Tagoat en-route to Rosslare. Why isn't Ferns and Camolin being mentioned?

Does anyone have any other info on this?

dmeehan

well as its part of a euroroute it will "eventually" have to be upgraded to dual carriageway
(it will, won't it??)

PoolDude

My fears may have been confirmed, the recent 2006 NRA plan does not include this project as starting this year. They have also changed the NRA web page to not show projects thru the statutory approval process and only refer to it on schemes in planning area with no dates or details.

I've pinged a few people to try to get more info.

PoolDude

I noticed there were more tendering notices in the paper this week for the Clogh - Enniscorthy section. No timeline and I still have heard nothing on when the Rathnew to Arklow section will start.

PoolDude

There was a rumour that they would open part of it earlier than that as well. I couldn't get any details but I'm guessing they might open it from Clogh to the fruit farm first and then the full stretch before the completion date.

This would bypass Gorey first while they continued work on the rest of the northern section - but I'm just guessing and there may be no substance in the rumour that part of it would open early.

bryanw

Was looking for this topic yesterday but couldn't find it...
I found something that I thought was interesting and maybe others will too:

http://www.dra.ie/PDF/06-April-FINAL-REPORT.pdf

The Dublin Regional Authority made their submission for the NDP 2007-2013 and it looks like they would like to increase the M11 from M50 to Kilmacanogue to 5 lanes. That would be some road! (scroll to page "21 of 84" in the PDF).

Alun

bryanw wrote:

The Dublin Regional Authority made their submission for the NDP 2007-2013 and it looks like they would like to increase the M11 from M50 to Kilmacanogue to 5 lanes. That would be some road! (scroll to page "21 of 84" in the PDF).

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I can think of more than one spot on that stretch where they'd be extremely lucky to squeeze 3 lanes in, let alone 5!

Chris_533976

That would end up as a free-for-all with people undertaking and lane hogging everywhere. lol.

spacetweek

Alun wrote:

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I can think of more than one spot on that stretch where they'd be extremely lucky to squeeze 3 lanes in, let alone 5!

It's not clear though if they mean 5 lanes total, i.e. 3+2, or 5 lanes each side (10). My guess is 3+2.

Victor

spacetweek wrote:

It's not clear though if they mean 5 lanes total, i.e. 3+2, or 5 lanes each side (10). My guess is 3+2.

I'm guessing someone misread a hand-written "3" as a "5".

mike65

A small step forwards this week, at Clogh the new over bridge is open where a currently very handy back road crosses the bypass.

A few pix.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/mike65/cloghoverbridge.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/mike65/goreypassatclogh.jpg

Mike.

jd

mike65 wrote:

A small step forwards this week, at Clogh the new over bridge is open where a currently very handy back road crosses the bypass.

A few pix.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/mike65/cloghoverbridge.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/mike65/goreypassatclogh.jpg

Mike.

Is this a super secret shortcut ?

mike65

If going north and you want to avoid the 20 min crawl to the traffic light junction then go right at Clogh and follow the road until it meets the 'Wexford Coast Road' turn left and head into Gorey.

Mike.

jd

mike65 wrote:

If going north and you want to avoid the 20 min crawl to the traffic light junction then go right at Clogh and follow the road until it meets the 'Wexford Coast Road' turn left and head into Gorey.

Mike.

Ah right, tx, know it..
jd

PoolDude

I asked the guy who is down as the contact on the web site for that scheme and all he would say is that it is on track and there were no plan open it like this.

I had asked if they would open it from Clough to the Fruit Farm.

On the previous response, the Wicklow CC had expected funding this year. They didn't get it (it went to the Carlow bypass instead). They did get funding to complete the site clearance, which is just about complete, so they are ready for construction from a build perspective but obviously the tendering process would need to happen first.

Chris_533976

Disgusting that the Cork Interchanges (Bandon/Sarsfield) arent on that list.

spacetweek

Chris_533976 wrote:

Disgusting that the Cork Interchanges (Bandon/Sarsfield) arent on that list.

Actually, just had a thought. The 6th scheme is probably the N4 Widening at Lucan.

So no N11 then.

In any case the N11 isn't an interurban so it's probably been long-fingered until near the end of the decade.

chamar

spacetweek wrote:

No, it isn't! Look at the map again.

Access at the Raheenagurran interchange is provided to the R742 and R741. The 742 leads to Courtown.

Hmmm, it still looks a bit retarded if you ask me. I guess we shall just have to wait and see.

Just wondering, are there bypasses planned now for Enniscorthy/Ferns? Seems like the bottleneck is going to move to these places now.

jd

chamar wrote:

Hmmm, it still looks a bit retarded if you ask me.
.

How exactly?

chamar wrote:

Just wondering, are there bypasses planned now for Enniscorthy/Ferns? Seems like the bottleneck is going to move to these places now.
.

Yeah-Look back over this thread again.

chamar

Oh god, you're one of those people. Ugh.

Victor

chamar wrote:

Just wondering, are there bypasses planned now for Enniscorthy

Yes.

PoolDude

But the priority after Gorey is New Ross so Enniscorthy will be a while away yet and plans for Ferns/Camolin realignment have only surfaced in the past few months.

bazzer06

nordydan wrote:

I'm a long way from Wexford here but it seems, New Ross then Enniscorthy then Camolin-Ferns. One advantage of this may be that when they get round to building ther latter two schemes that they'll both be DC (like the Adare bypass) and Wexford CC may get their wish of DC from Dublin to Rosslare. The Rosslare harbour scheme is also listed on the Tramore House website. Would any locals know whether the current Wexford SC bypass has any private accesses on it?

I read that the new bridge on the New Ross bypass would be the longest in Ireland. Does anyone know whether they are making it DC or SC? It would be incredibly short-sighted IMHO to make it SC and then have to build another in the future.

The current Wexford bypass is littered with local accesses so there'd be no chance m=of a simple conversion there IMO. Also, not all the Rosslare scheme is DC so if the Larne -Rosslare Dc was to happen that'd also have to be altered. The New Ross bypass will be SC unfortunately (when you consider that at the moment, it is far worse a bottleneck than Gorey) - does anyone else think that firstly, the Atlantic corridor should finish in rosslare instead of waterford, and that it should be all DC? That said though, the improved Wexford - New Ross road is fantastic as it is.

On a tangent i know, but i think Wexford has been completely forgotten by Transport 21 - trains and DC stop at Gorey and Waterford, no word on the Rosslare - Limerick line... its like they forgot we were here!!

nordydan

The Wexford New Ross road is pretty good alright. I remember seeing a Michael Palin documentary about trains in Ireland. He went from Derry to Belfast to Dublin to Wexford. He then had to get a lift with a group of bikers to Waterford before heading on to Tralee.

Its a pity about the Wexford bypass. Is there even enough room for an online DC upgrade and GSJ'ing the roundabouts (ie are there any properties oppossing each other)?

Zoney

bazzer06 wrote:

does anyone else think that firstly, the Atlantic corridor should finish in rosslare instead of waterford, and that it should be all DC?

Limerick-Waterford is planned as 2+1 offline the whole distance. This would be immensely better than the current situation, and probably adequate for traffic volumes. 2+1 seems almost as safe as narrow median DC (i.e. jersey barrier only); unlike the previous favorite, wide two lane. However, the lack of hard shoulders on the 2+1 I've been on so far (e.g. south of Mallow) is unnerving - we are very used to this safety valve on Irish roads (even if it was on routes that needed to be dual carriageway); being on DCs up north with no hard shoulder is pretty terrifying. I don't know is this specific to retrofit of 2+1 on wide two lane; maybe new build 2+1 has hard shoulders? I don't think there's been any new build 2+1 yet though - just planned.

bazzer06

I reckon it'd be very tricky to upgrade the current bypass - the junctions in particular would be awkward - they're all bordered by houses, and in two cases, hotels. Also, if it were to be upgraded, it'd have to be rerouted at ferrycarrig bridge anyway, as it goes through a narrow ravine (created by explosives around the 70s i think) which could not be widened. Pity!

jd

nordydan wrote:

The Wexford New Ross road is pretty good alright. I remember seeing a Michael Palin documentary about trains in Ireland. He went from Derry to Belfast to Dublin to Wexford. He then had to get a lift with a group of bikers to Waterford before heading on to Tralee.

Its a pity about the Wexford bypass. Is there even enough room for an online DC upgrade and GSJ'ing the roundabouts (ie are there any properties oppossing each other)?

I'm trying to remember the local access on the by-pass. Between Ferrycarrig and the Rosslare Roundabout there are no private residences with direct access onto the road.
Besides the New Ross and New Line roundabouts, I think there is a junction with Killurin Road,Glenville Rd, and also the road to Johnstown Castle/Murrintown.

Is that it? I think the latest NRA map has it down as a 2+1 anyway.

bazzer06

there's at least five accesses to land (not necessarily houses) along the bypass - suppose thats not as bad as actual roads! There's also three local accesses at ferrycarrig bridge (well, one being the hotel so not quite at the bridge)

jd

bazzer06 wrote:

there's at least five accesses to land (not necessarily houses) along the bypass - suppose thats not as bad as actual roads! There's also three local accesses at ferrycarrig bridge (well, one being the hotel so not quite at the bridge)

I didn't count the the junction at the Oak Tavern(RIP).

Chris_533976

Gonna be a fair while before any of that is started. Think post 2010 at least.

jd

jd wrote:

Is that it? I think the latest NRA map has it down as a 2+1 anyway.

I guess the bypass would be easy enough to convert to 2+1

Ferrycarrig to New Ross Rd has 1 slow lane, so it would be easy enough to change toovertaking lane. Then 1 overtaking lane Duncannon Line to New Ross Rd direction, and then 2+ different sections Duncannon Line to Rosslare junction.

mike65

Hour plus delays into Gorey from the south today, that fecking road can't open quick enough.

Mike.