Recruitment Freeze - The Official Word

B182

They should continue to vet etc so everything is ready to go once things get going again I'm not doubting psni but I know ppl in gville and serving officers who all say no one knows what's happening so this official announcement off everything is froze including this year Or maybe they aren't letting on

shampon

chunkerz wrote: »

They should continue to vet etc so everything is ready to go once things get going again I'm not doubting psni but I know ppl in gville and serving officers who all say no one knows that's happening so this official announcement off everything is froze including this year Or maybe they aren't letting on

I reckon if they get all the vetting done they'll just have to do it again in a years time... and if they give medicals they will be in the same situation as the AGS. Having to give more medicals to people who passed medicals the year before.

cesc77

It would be a complete waste of money for them to proceed with medicals and vetting.I cannot see them spending money on this on the off chance that there is a thaw,especially with spending being such an issue at the minute.
On a side point,its strange that my letter from Deloitte (received this morning) does not mention the current situation and seems to contain the same information as others have received.
It still has the March cutoff time in it....very strange
hmmmm...what do you make of that?

shampon

cesc77 wrote: »

It would be a complete waste of money for them to proceed with medicals and vetting.I cannot see them spending money on this on the off chance that there is a thaw,especially with spending being such an issue at the minute.
On a side point,its strange that my letter from Deloitte (received this morning) does not mention the current situation and seems to contain the same information as others have received.
It still has the March cutoff time in it....very strange
hmmmm...what do you make of that?

Pure bone idle laziness.

Vince Coupon

My girlfriend was due to have her AC next week and she got a letter today from Deloitte saying that she should still go as they have been instructed by the police to continue with them

shampon

Vince Coupon wrote: »

My girlfriend was due to have her AC next week and she got a letter today from Deloitte saying that she should still go as they have been instructed by the police to continue with them

Tis a strange old world we live in.

tickle_monster

Vince Coupon wrote: »

My girlfriend was due to have her AC next week and she got a letter today from Deloitte saying that she should still go as they have been instructed by the police to continue with them

think they just want to finish up all the ACs and complete the deloitte part of things the joinpsni website supports the letter your girlfriend recieved...

The PSNI have advised us that the suspension of Recruitment is an interim measure, pending a review of affordability in light of anticipated cuts to public sector budgets. As this position is not yet clear, we have been asked to progress the conclusion of the current campaign as planned.

sadly i think the information our mod psni gave us is the most concrete and we should stick with that and hope that the freeze doesnt last too long

VES86

Deleted User wrote: »

My thoughts exactly! That would be my biggest fear out of all this. Although the only positive I can think from all this is that maybe if we do have to hang on in there for a year or so there might be enough people withdrawing and moving on to other thinks, so when it does start up again we'll all jump a good few places in the merit list... ya never know!!

its would be the ****test thing ever to recieve a dear john in a couple of years time. one can only hope that doesnt happen.

quite frankly i feel that if people do pull out and move onto other things, they never really wanted the job, wasted a lot of peoples time and potentially knocked out people who really wanted it, so maybe the freeze will be a good thing and show the commitment of those still waiting and make those lets apply for the police for a bit of craic bugger off

shampon

VES86 wrote: »

its would be the ****test thing ever to recieve a dear john in a couple of years time. one can only hope that doesnt happen.

quite frankly i feel that if people do pull out and move onto other things, they never really wanted the job, wasted a lot of peoples time and potentially knocked out people who really wanted it, so maybe the freeze will be a good thing and show the commitment of those still waiting and make those lets apply for the police for a bit of craic bugger off

Yeah...It will be interesting to see how many actually pull out because of this...

Shield

chunkerz wrote: »

They should continue to vet etc so everything is ready to go once things get going again I'm not doubting psni but I know ppl in gville and serving officers who all say no one knows what's happening so this official announcement off everything is froze including this year Or maybe they aren't letting on

I love posts like this. They're very rare. It's like someone thinking out loud, and we get to see what conclusion they arrive at and why:

chunkerz wrote: »

Or maybe they aren't letting on

After all the thinking out loud, the above conclusion is reached with tones of 'this makes the most sense' because it can't be possible that all of the intelligent people he knows are as in the dark and clueless as they make themselves out to be.

I love it.

Delancey

I am pleased to hear that AC's are continuing - it may indicate that they intend to complete the Deloitte side of things completely ( chances are Deloitte would have to be paid in full anyway ).
The advantage to this is that it would imply that the all-important merit list will be done and published , as has been said many times before a Pass letter is of little value - what you score at AC and your Merit placing are the really important things. If we get to learn our scores and merit placings we can make informed choices and decisions as to whether to chuck in the towel or keep hanging on.

I'm sure we all agree it would be brutal to wait a year or however long the freeze is to then get a Dear John letter - I really hope they do the right thing and prevent this.

delancey42

delancey42 wrote: »

I am pleased to hear that AC's are continuing - it may indicate that they intend to complete the Deloitte side of things completely ( chances are Deloitte would have to be paid in full anyway ).
The advantage to this is that it would imply that the all-important merit list will be done and published ,

Who sends out the breakdown score we were due to get in Aug? I'm pressuming it's done by Deliotte and not the PSNI? If the remaining ACs are indeed continuing as delancey said it looks like Deloitte's part in this will be wrapped up regardless of the freeze... therefore you would imagine we will still get our scores atleast. Even if we were not given our merit scores, I would feel a whole lot better just getting the breakdown so that if it's not great I can prepare myself for failing after all!

Actually, if ACs are being rounded up, and we do get our breakdowns, surely they would then still send out those dreaded afterthought Dear Johns because that would still be done by Deloitte, no???

Delancey

Deleted User wrote: »

Who sends out the breakdown score we were due to get in Aug? I'm pressuming it's done by Deliotte and not the PSNI? If the remaining ACs are indeed continuing as delancey said it looks like Deloitte's part in this will be wrapped up regardless of the freeze... therefore you would imagine we will still get our scores atleast. Even if we were not given our merit scores, I would feel a whole lot better just getting the breakdown so that if it's not great I can prepare myself for failing after all!

Actually, if ACs are being rounded up, and we do get our breakdowns, surely they would then still send out those dreaded afterthought Dear Johns because that would still be done by Deloitte, no???

Score breakdowns are sent out by Deloitte along with a feedback report an your AC performance ( worthless IMO ). As for the afterthought Dear Johns I don't actually know who sends them out because I never got one - can anyone throw any light on this ?
You have to contact PSNI recruitment for the merit place you have scored - I cannot see why they would not be able to do this anyway regardless of the freeze. It certainly gives people the chance to avoid hanging on when in fact their chances are very slim/non-existent.

cesc77

I agree about the breakdowns if it is anything like when I tried in 2004.Non-specific detailing for each of the competencies.(Consensia)
PSNI send out the Dear Johns.

cesc77

Poor chunkerz...a good dose of immodium should sort out that case of written diarrhoea:D..Please use punctuation....I have a headache rereading that and trying to work out what you were conveying:(

Delancey

cesc77 wrote: »

I agree about the breakdowns if it is anything like when I tried in 2004.Non-specific detailing for each of the competencies.(Consensia)
PSNI send out the Dear Johns.

Thanks , I din't know the Dear Johns came from PSNI - I thought it might have been Deloitte.
I remember being so excited getting my feedback last year - jesus it was such a dissappointment - standard stuff identical to everyone else - waste of time and paper.

delancey42

delancey42 wrote: »

Thanks , I din't know the Dear Johns came from PSNI - I thought it might have been Deloitte.
I remember being so excited getting my feedback last year - jesus it was such a dissappointment - standard stuff identical to everyone else - waste of time and paper.

Soo...it's not a exactly a "detailed breakdown report" as promised? Ach I was looking forward to it :rolleyes:
Would it not atleast give you a slight indication if we weren't able to get merit scores for whatever reason? Even if it gave you your mark and the pass mark, if you were only just over it you could pretty much guarantee you're going to be quite far down the merit listing and not in with much of a chance.


Maybe veering off topic here slighty, but kind of not in a way! Apologies if so.

cesc77

Back then,I was not given a score a such and not notified by Consensia what the passmark was.
I wasnt aware either that you could phone up and get your merit ranking,so was just told yes,youve passed,not high enough and the feedback was very general....

Oh...just remembered...lol..beware the letters from Consensia/Deloitte that have nothing else to say other than your application is being processed.....We will be in touch.Nasty,useless little heartstoppers those are!:mad:

Delancey

Deleted User wrote: »

Soo...it's not a exactly a "detailed breakdown report" as promised? Ach I was looking forward to it :rolleyes:
Would it not atleast give you a slight indication if we weren't able to get merit scores for whatever reason? Even if it gave you your mark and the pass mark, if you were only just over it you could pretty much guarantee you're going to be quite far down the merit listing and not in with much of a chance.


Maybe veering off topic here slighty, but kind of not in a way! Apologies if so.

The good thing about the feedback is that it gives you your score out of 10 on each of the 7 competencies ( i.e. total score out of 70 ).
Apart from that it is very general and generic , e.g. '' your score of x suggests you showed strong/some/ no evidence of the competency. If your looking for feedback along the lines of '' Dear John/Mary the assessors thought you showed great patience dealing with that irate customer in scenario 3 '' or '' you should not have kneed the customer in the groin in scenario 3 , etc '' then you'll be sadly dissappointed :rolleyes:.

Jay_Man

This is ridiculous. I knew that muppet David Cameron was bad news.

Well seeing at they are still Vetting me since C14 of Oct 08 I hope they send this years Vetting to the Garda at least as Id hate to be waiting an extra year ontop of a further two in the future.. Such a joke.

So will the Vetting Dept in the PSNI cease to exist or will they at least send Vetting forms to the South to get Vetted by Garda during the freeze. Sure we'll be out of the freeze two times over before their complete anyway. What you think PSNI?

Vince Coupon

delancey42 wrote: »

The good thing about the feedback is that it gives you your score out of 10 on each of the 7 competencies ( i.e. total score out of 70 ).
Apart from that it is very general and generic , e.g. '' your score of x suggests you showed strong/some/ no evidence of the competency. If your looking for feedback along the lines of '' Dear John/Mary the assessors thought you showed great patience dealing with that irate customer in scenario 3 '' or '' you should not have kneed the customer in the groin in scenario 3 , etc '' then you'll be sadly dissappointed :rolleyes:.

Yep, all the feedback forms were good for in my opinion was for future ACs as I was able to get a better idea on what they were looking for on each competency.

Shield

I don't talk about Vetting at all. Neither will any serving Constable.

Sorry.

Jay_Man wrote: »

This is ridiculous. I knew that muppet David Cameron was bad news.

Well seeing at they are still Vetting me since C14 of Oct 08 I hope they send this years Vetting to the Garda at least as Id hate to be waiting an extra year ontop of a further two in the future.. Such a joke.

So will the Vetting Dept in the PSNI cease to exist or will they at least send Vetting forms to the South to get Vetted by Garda during the freeze. Sure we'll be out of the freeze two times over before their complete anyway. What you think PSNI?

Jay_Man

No worries PSNI.

I Just meant that the Garda down here are slow with Vetting, it would make sense to send them the forms during the year freeze to give them a well needed headstart anyway.

Shield

They won't. It costs money to have someone vetted. The PSNI aren't going to pay AGS to vet someone when there's a hire freeze, which also means the budget they have for such things is also frozen.

Jay_Man

So it costs money for Guards to Vet someone from South? Sure people get vetted all the time down here for various jobs.. College, Social Care etc and doesnt cost any organisation..

How will it have of expired when it takes the Garda well over a year to Vet someone anyway???

Shield

This is not the thread for explaining the finer points of vetting. It's a thread to discuss the ramifications of the recruitment freeze. If you want to start a thread on Garda vetting, go out to the main ES forum and start one there.

Back on topic please.

Jay_Man wrote: »

So it costs money for Guards to Vet someone from South? Sure people get vetted all the time down here for various jobs.. College, Social Care etc and doesnt cost any organisation..

How will it have of expired when it takes the Garda well over a year to Vet someone anyway???

Jay_Man

No problem. Sorry.

Ok so if the freeze is on for a year and medicals expire after a year yeah? So why then would the PSNI be still sending people for medicals wasting resources when they will have to re do them after the freeze anyway???

Shield

Medicals don't expire after a year. Where on earth did you hear that from?

I did my medical, then waited over a year for my vetting to come back. All I had to do was sign a form saying that my medical circumstances hadn't changed and I was in.

Delancey

psni wrote: »

Medicals don't expire after a year. Where on earth did you hear that from?

I did my medical, then waited over a year for my vetting to come back. All I had to do was sign a form saying that my medical circumstances hadn't changed and I was in.

Thats very interesting psni - I must admit I thought that medicals had a 'shelf life ' and after a year you had to do them again.
Good to know - so if I get to medical ( and pass ) then I can safely party and pig out , gain 5 stone and not have a worry - toootally coool

Shield

Vetting expires. Medicals don't* (unless you have something to declare, then you get medicaled (?) again. Turn up weighing an additional 5 stone and being unable to complete the first PE class will have you in a world of problems - quite possibly out the gate, at the sole discretion of the CI.

EDIT: *If you have done your medical for a campaign and you pass, there is no expiry date even if your vetting takes over a year. If you did a medical for another campaign and you didn't get in, then you need to do another medical for the new campaign. I hope that helps to resolve any confusion, and explains why your posts have been deleted.

Vince Coupon

psni wrote: »

Medicals don't expire after a year. Where on earth did you hear that from?

I did my medical, then waited over a year for my vetting to come back. All I had to do was sign a form saying that my medical circumstances hadn't changed and I was in.

I said vetting expired after a year so maybe he got that confused with medicals - tho my posts have gone!

Shield

At any rate... back on topic please lads.

cesc77

At the risk of sounding daft here,psni,do you think I could be sent vetting forms and a medical date....AC pass letter yesterday...or am I in the deep freeze with my IST and AC pass?

I know there are variables and will not hold you to it but I have my reasons for asking.

Shield

If you're asking me whether you think you have a chance at the August intake, given the fact that you have no forms or medical date, my answer would be 99% no unless you're Matt Baggott's son.

cesc77 wrote: »

At the risk of sounding daft here,psni,do you think I could be sent vetting forms and a medical date....AC pass letter yesterday...or am I in the deep freeze with my IST and AC pass?

I know there are variables and will not hold you to it but I have my reasons for asking.

cesc77

hahaha...no,least I dont think so...

No,thats not what I was meaning...lol...Im not chasing the August intake.

Something else is an issue.

shampon

So what are the greater ramifications of this recruitment freeze for the force and the community in general?

Shield

I should have been more specific. I would prefer if this thread is left to discuss the ramifications of the recruitment freeze for individuals at various stages of the PSNI Recruitment process.

You're probably looking at starting a whole new thread out in the main ES forum if you want to discuss what this means for the organisation and society. I think it might be a good discussion to be had because you'll be touching on broad subjects like Economics, Business Management, Politics, Criminology, to name but a few.

But because this is the PSNI Recruitment forum, we'll keep things in some sort of order so hopefully new visitors to the site will be able to find the relevant information they need quickly and easily.

Thanks.

shampon wrote: »

So what are the greater ramifications of this recruitment freeze for the force and the community in general?

slunk2

Rite .... I sent my vetting forms off appx 5 weeks ago havent heard anything back although I know it takes ages.. should I be worried that the recruitment freeze will effect me?

Vince Coupon

slunk2 wrote: »

Rite .... I sent my vetting forms off appx 5 weeks ago havent heard anything back although I know it takes ages.. should I be worried that the recruitment freeze will effect me?

Judging by PSNI's first 2 posts in this thread I would say it will effect you. It's not looking good for C16 applicants as the August intake is the last one.

slunk2

Vince Coupon wrote: »

Judging by PSNI's first 2 posts in this thread I would say it will effect you. It's not looking good for C16 applicants as the August intake is the last one.

Are they going to give us any formal communication to make us aware of what is goin on??

cm3luc

dilemma-

I was thinking if I did not get into the psni I would go travelling in Asia,

I got a letter saying I passed the AC, now there is a freeze on, so what do i do now!!!

Just a few things to confirm:

1. While the freeze is on, there will be no more vetting, no more medicals until the thaw? I could travel for 4 weeks, keep an eye on the situation and come back when it was restarting

2.this freeze is looking like it will last a year?

3. what if this lasts 2 or 3 years, will the C16 successful candidates remain frozen all that time and therefore start from the exact same positions we are in now? or does the deloitte tests have an expiry?

p.s. I apologize to every successful applicant, this freeze is just my luck ...teach me to procrastinate

chontour

i feel like iv just been shat on.

although just read the join psni site; says there that its an interim measure...perhaps theres still hope they can afford to run the current campaign and do an intake as planned. fingers crossed anyway:(

Shield

cm3luc wrote: »

I got a letter saying I passed the AC, now there is a freeze on, so what do i do now!!!

That's up to you. Ignore the few you tell you what to do. It's your choice and yours alone.

cm3luc wrote: »

1. While the freeze is on, there will be no more vetting, no more medicals until the thaw? I could travel for 4 weeks, keep an eye on the situation and come back when it was restarting

There will be no more medicals booked. Those that have been arranged will go ahead due to contractual obligations. Vetting grinds to a halt as soon as August is filled.

cm3luc wrote: »

2.this freeze is looking like it will last a year?

Nobody knows for sure, but I personally believe it will last for longer than 12 months.

cm3luc wrote: »

3. what if this lasts 2 or 3 years, will the C16 successful candidates remain frozen all that time and therefore start from the exact same positions we are in now? or does the deloitte tests have an expiry?

psni wrote: »

For those of you who are half way there with medicals and vetting, you will simply be put into a large cryogenic enclosure, and there you will stay until the freeze is lifted. When it is lifted, you will proceed from the point you were at before the freeze.

shampon

chontour wrote: »

i feel like iv just been shat on.
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Brilliant. Sums the feeling up in on short to the point sentence.

the future

does this mean if you recently passed the AC section, received a vetting pack and sent it back, there is a slim chance of acceptance to the August recruitment .. It would be some birthday pressie

shampon

the future wrote: »

does this mean if you recently passed the AC section, received a vetting pack and sent it back, there is a slim chance of acceptance to the August recruitment .. It would be some birthday pressie

That would be savage..but I doubt it..you still gotta do a medical etc...

Cashflow

the future wrote: »

does this mean if you recently passed the AC section, received a vetting pack and sent it back, there is a slim chance of acceptance to the August recruitment .. It would be some birthday pressie

No chance.

chontour

glad you like it shampon, at least theres a little joy in it all :P lol

damn if only i had of scored high enough to get my vetting early i would still have the slimmest of chances.

P.S.N.I. mentions that people who have got half way through their vetting/medical will start from that point once the freeze is lifted... what does that mean for those of us who have passed a/c but not yet received vetting?

the future

well i will remain positive but thanks for the real truth and feed back

Shield

Cashflow wrote: »

No chance.

I feel it only fair and just to correct my most learned and respected colleague:

Absolutely No chance.