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Queen Elizabeth II to visit Ireland.

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    #512
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    junder wrote: »
    Why? When she is the queen of the united kingdom and not just england

    But she's not the queen of ireland and referring to her as the queen kind of implies she is, still inbred and a relic though.


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    #513
    Nodin
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    getz wrote: »
    two big visits the queen of england and the pope of rome,you takes your pick,one will be greeted with fanaticism the other with indifference,both accused of being head of a army/religion that abused its citizens,

    Both will be greeted with fanaticism and indifference, and all inbetween. Personally I don't think either have anything to add at the moment.


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    #514
    Iwasfrozen
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    fontanalis wrote: »
    But she's not the queen of ireland and referring to her as the queen kind of implies she is, still inbred and a relic though.
    She's the Queen of Northern Ireland. And maintains the title "Queen of Northern Ireland" due to this fact.


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    #515
    Judgement Day
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    So she would have no problem in ceremoniously removing the title of OBE from Derek Wilford, once would imagine.

    I said I wouldn't post again but this is such crap. You know well the Queen has virtually no say in anything and a decision to go removing titles would be the down to David Cameron. If you that worried about it and not just a Brit-basher why don't you drop him a line. :mad:


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    #516
    fontanalis
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    She's the Queen of Northern Ireland. And maintains the title "Queen of Northern Ireland" due to this fact.

    Well I suppsoe she deserves it, she worked hard enough for it.


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    #517
    Iwasfrozen
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    fontanalis wrote: »
    Well I suppsoe she deserves it, she worked hard enough for it.
    If you don't mind me saying your attitude is very counter-productive. How can we ever see a United Ireland when this is the way people react to the North's head of state paying a visit.


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    #518
    fontanalis
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    If you don't mind me saying your attitude is very counter-productive. How can we ever see a United Ireland when this is the way people react to the North's head of state paying a visit.

    I'm indifferent ot the whole thing. I have absolutely no time for any monarchy. They are a relic, an embarassment to democracy and the human race.
    Apart from the King of Tory island.


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    #519
    Iwasfrozen
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    fontanalis wrote: »
    I have absolutely no time for any monarchy. They are a relic, an embarassment to democracy and the human race.
    How do you work that one out?


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    #520
    sensibleken
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    fontanalis wrote: »
    I'm indifferent ot the whole thing. I have absolutely no time for any monarchy. They are a relic, an embarassment to democracy and the human race.
    Apart from the King of Tory island.

    who, Balor?


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    #521
    fontanalis
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    How do you work that one out?

    Why is she Queen?


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    #522
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    sensibleken wrote: »
    who, Balor?

    Off with your head.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kingoftory.jpg


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    #523
    Iwasfrozen
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    fontanalis wrote: »
    Why is she Queen?
    She was the grand-daughter of the King. Now you have to answer my question.


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    #524
    Elmo
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    Denerick wrote: »
    Bigots they may be, but our constitution protects the rights of citizens to peacefully assemble in public areas in support of whatever cause they deem appropriate. A tiny minority prevented natives of this island from exercising what should be their constitutional right. Ireland will never be united if we insist on forcing Unionists to conform to what some very small minded people who have never read a history book perceive to be their 'Irish' identity.


    It is funny how you change your whole argument to suit yourself. I some how don't think that the Unionist involved in the "Love Ulster" parade where all that knowledgeable of "their" constitutional rights or that the even care.

    Many people with this attitude seem to be just as bigoted and as backward as the people that you perceive to be bigoted and backward.

    Anyway this whole argument is going around in circles, and in honour of circular threads let me repeat:-

    Monarchs across Europe are an antiquated form of head of state. Ms. Windsor (she kept her maiden name her husband's is frightfully German) is welcome as any other monarch, if we are mature enough we won't make such a big deal of such state visits.

    Imagine if she had House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg :rolleyes: but then she possibly isn't mature enough nor are the English for such names. (Windsor dates back to 1917)


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    #525
    IrishTonyO
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    fontanalis wrote: »
    In future could people refer to the inbred relic as The Queen of England.

    referring to her as the Queen is an abbreviation that we all understand, if you would prefer posters to use her full title then here it is, but I am sure you'll agree saying the Queen is a lot easier

    Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Northern Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith,[2] Duchess of Edinburgh, Countess of Merioneth, Baroness Greenwich,[N 1] Duke of Lancaster, Lord of Mann, Duke of Normandy, Sovereign of the Most Honourable Order of the Garter, Sovereign of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath, Sovereign of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle, Sovereign of the Most Illustrious Order of Saint Patrick, Sovereign of the Most Distinguished Order of Saint Michael and Saint George, Sovereign of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, Sovereign of the Distinguished Service Order, Sovereign of the Imperial Service Order, Sovereign of the Most Exalted Order of the Star of India, Sovereign of the Most Eminent Order of the Indian Empire, Sovereign of the Order of British India, Sovereign of the Indian Order of Merit, Sovereign of the Order of Burma, Sovereign of the Royal Order of Victoria and Albert, Sovereign of the Royal Family Order of King Edward VII, Sovereign of the Order of Merit, Sovereign of the Order of the Companions of Honour, Sovereign of the Royal Victorian Order, Sovereign of the Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_titles_and_honours_of_Queen_Elizabeth_II


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    #526
    fontanalis
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    She was the grand-daughter of the King. Now you have to answer my question.

    Why was the king king, and his father king and so forth and the whole way back to woden etc?
    I have no time for any monarchy as they are not elected and are relics of the middle ages.


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    #527
    fontanalis
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    Elmo wrote: »
    It is funny how you change your whole argument to suit yourself. I some how don't think that the Unionist involved in the "Love Ulster" parade where all that knowledgeable of "their" constitutional rights or that the even care.

    You seem to be just as bigoted and as backward as the people you perceive to be bigoted and backward.

    Anyway this whole argument is going around in circles, and in honour of circular threads let me repeat:-

    Monarchs across Europe are an antiquated form of head of state. Ms. Windsor (she kept her maiden name her husband's is frightfully German) is welcome as any other monarch, if we are mature enough we won't make such a big deal of such state visits.

    Imagine if she had House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg :rolleyes: but then she possibly isn't mature enough nor are the English for such names. (Windsor dates back to 1917)

    Damn Angle Jutes; that's where trying to set themsleves up as seperate from the rest of the people on the isles as some noble race and the advent of World War 1 gets you!


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    #528
    Wolfe Tone
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    Il just call her Mrs Windsor, thanks very much.


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    #529
    fontanalis
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    IrishTonyO wrote: »
    referring to her as the Queen is an abbreviation that we all understand, if you would prefer posters to use her full title then here it is, but I am sure you'll agree saying the Queen is a lot easier

    Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Northern Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith,[2] Duchess of Edinburgh, Countess of Merioneth, Baroness Greenwich,[N 1] Duke of Lancaster, Lord of Mann, Duke of Normandy, Sovereign of the Most Honourable Order of the Garter, Sovereign of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath, Sovereign of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle, Sovereign of the Most Illustrious Order of Saint Patrick, Sovereign of the Most Distinguished Order of Saint Michael and Saint George, Sovereign of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, Sovereign of the Distinguished Service Order, Sovereign of the Imperial Service Order, Sovereign of the Most Exalted Order of the Star of India, Sovereign of the Most Eminent Order of the Indian Empire, Sovereign of the Order of British India, Sovereign of the Indian Order of Merit, Sovereign of the Order of Burma, Sovereign of the Royal Order of Victoria and Albert, Sovereign of the Royal Family Order of King Edward VII, Sovereign of the Order of Merit, Sovereign of the Order of the Companions of Honour, Sovereign of the Royal Victorian Order, Sovereign of the Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_titles_and_honours_of_Queen_Elizabeth_II

    I see, Helen Mirrens name would never have got on the poster.


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    #530
    Judgement Day
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Il just call her Mrs Windsor, thanks very much.

    I'm sure she's concerned what you call her - it doesn't make you appear clever -really. :D


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    #531
    ger vallely
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    Not too sure where I read it-possibly the Examiner but I read a quote of €8 million? Is that seriously possible? If that's the case she should definitely stay put.Actually maybe she should either way.


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    #532
    Iwasfrozen
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    fontanalis wrote: »
    Why was the king king, and his father king and so forth and the whole way back to woden etc?
    I have no time for any monarchy as they are not elected and are relics of the middle ages.
    And what is wrong with being a relic of the middle ages?


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    #533
    Elmo
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    IrishTonyO wrote: »
    referring to her as the Queen is an abbreviation that we all understand, if you would prefer posters to use her full title then here it is, but I am sure you'll agree saying the Queen is a lot easier

    There are other queens in Europe (possibly related to "the" Queen) but to me they are Queen Whatever rather than "The" Queen. Queen Elizabeth II, Queen Beatrice.


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    Elmo
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    fontanalis wrote: »
    Damn Angle Jutes; that's where trying to set themsleves up as seperate from the rest of the people on the isles as some noble race and the advent of World War 1 gets you!

    Yeah 'cause that make it so much more mature. :cool:


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    #535
    Wolfe Tone
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    And what is wrong with being a relic of the middle ages?
    Wait, you claim that Republicans are living in the past yet you are heading this direction?


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    Iwasfrozen
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Wait, you claim that Republicans are living in the past yet you are heading this direction?
    What do you mean heading in this direction? I'm not heading anywhere.

    Regardless the Queen is just a tradition for the people of Britain now. She has no powers and they have no desire to remove her.


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    #537
    fontanalis
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    Elmo wrote: »
    Yeah 'cause that make it so much more mature. :cool:

    I'm reading a book called Saxons, Viking and Celts by Bryan Sykes at the minute (looking at the populating of the British Isles). In it he gives a brief (very brief) overview of the English Monarchy.
    He claims that the ruling classes tried to align themselves with "Saxon" Germany as a way of differentiating themselves from the Britons (scots, wels etc) and to show they were more pure etc
    But this backfired with strained relations with Germany. It does tie in with what you said about the name change, doesn't it?


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    Elmo
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Regardless the Queen is just a tradition for the people of Britain now. She has no powers and they have no desire to remove her.

    Have they been asked? But as I have being saying the most mature of us seem to forget how such a role is purely antiquated in this day and age of democracy.


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    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    fontanalis wrote: »
    I'm reading a book called Saxons, Viking and Celts by Bryan Sykes at the minute (looking at the populating of the British Isles). In it he gives a brief (very brief) overview of the English Monarchy.
    He claims that the ruling classes tried to align themselves with "Saxon" Germany as a way of differentiating themselves from the Britons (scots, wels etc) and to show they were more pure etc
    But this backfired with strained relations with Germany. It does tie in with what you said about the name change, doesn't it?

    It certainly shows their immaturity. I now think PR is the oldest profession.


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    #540
    Iwasfrozen
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    Elmo wrote: »
    Have they been asked? But as I have being saying the most mature of us seem to forget how such a role is purely antiquated in this day and age of democracy.
    And what role would that be?


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    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    And what role would that be?

    The role of Monarch as Head of State :)


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