Isreal and American forces ready to attack Iran within days

digme

Israeli government desperately needs the distraction from the flotilla massacre, and the US government desperately needs the distraction from the unfolding catastrophe playing out in the Gulf of Mexico and beyond.

Z.O.D!!!

Any proof or is that just in your opinion????

Torakx

I heard about this yesterday evening from a friend in Norway,listening to the radio there he said he heard the US had sent something like 18 more ships.
He was proclaiming ww3 was about to start.
I will be watching China/N Korea and Russia for more action before i make that statement.

humanji

To be honest, even though any sort of distraction would be beneficial to both countries, another war front would bankrupt the US. They would be insane to even try.

Torakx

Doesnt that go hand in had with the Ct that they or someone is trying to bankrupt America? Thus causing a need for a new world currency.
Especially now the chinese are considering allowing their currency to appreciate versus the dollar.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-dollar-tumbles-vs-yuan-after-loosening-move-2010-06-21?reflink=MW_news_stmp

northwest100

Torakx wrote:

Especially now the chinese are considering allowing their currency to appreciate versus the dollar.

It's possible the chinese only made these comments ahead of the G20 summit in Canada but don't actually have any intention of revaluing the Yuan (Renminbi) anytime soon.

IMHO, it's not possible to have a 1 world government or 1 world currency since there are too many differences between nations of people and the governments in charge of them for it to succeed.

digme

http://beforeitsnews.com/news/82/992...ront_Iran.html

http://lazerbrody.typepad.com/lazer_...war-alert.html

http://www.debka.com/article/8868/

http://www.prisonplanet.com/iran-on-...zerbaijan.html

In a rare move, Iran has declared a state of war on its northwestern border, debkafile's military and Iranian sources report. Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps men and equipment units are being massed in the Caspian Sea region against what Tehran claims are US and Israeli forces concentrated on army and air bases in Azerbaijan ready to strike Iran's nuclear facilities.
http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/news.php?Itemid=3191

Israel preparing for prolonged ME war
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020202

Report: IAF aircraft land at Saudi base


Islam Times says Israeli jets unloaded military equipment in Islamic country ahead of possible Iran strike
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...909732,00.html

mysterious

Israel attacking Iran in "days", was a headline a few years ago and every day since.:rolleyes:

Get them Iran dude, fire breathing terrorists.....!!

mysterious

humanji wrote: »

To be honest, even though any sort of distraction would be beneficial to both countries, another war front would bankrupt the US. They would be insane to even try.

:rolleyes:

US is bankrupt.
War is a money making machine.
Killing innocents, ravaging the land and Taking souls, is one of the best way to get rich fast!

You do the math.

squod

Precisely, wars are excellent sources of revenue.

Torakx

Oh just remembered something vaguely there!
Pakistan quite recently announced they were going to strike a deal with Iran for gas i think it was.
I wonder was this one of the reasons the states are moving in for the kill.Big profit in gas and big gas companies will make a fortune like Shell is curently in Ireland.Maybe the USA or Israel want this gas for themselves kind of like the oil(or at least appearing to).
Heres an article i quickly googled.
http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2010/06/23/pakistan_resolute_on_iran_gas_deal/

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani made his comments two days after the US special envoy to Pakistan, Richard C. Holbrooke, cautioned Pakistan not to “overcommit’’ itself to the deal because it could run afoul of new sanctions against Iran Congress is finalizing.
The deal has been a constant source of tension between Pakistan and the United States, with Pakistan arguing that it is vital to its ability to cope with an energy crisis and the United States stressing that it would undercut international pressure on Iran over its nuclear program.

Gilani said Pakistan would reconsider the deal if it violated UN sanctions, but the country was “not bound to follow’’ unilateral US measures. He said media reports that quoted him as saying that Pakistan would heed Holbrooke’s warning were incorrect.

The United Nations has levied four sets of sanctions against Iran for failing to suspend its uranium enrichment, a process that can produce fuel for a nuclear weapon. The latest set of UN sanctions was approved earlier this month.

The United States has also applied a number of unilateral sanctions against Iran.

Im curious dont they need to enrich uranium to make nuclear power plants also?
And doesnt the USA have Weapons of Mass Destruction? Who do these hypocrites think they are lol

Morphie

mysterious wrote: »

:rolleyes:

US is bankrupt.
War is a money making machine.
Killing innocents, ravaging the land and Taking souls, is one of the best way to get rich fast!

You do the math.

I was hoping someone would point this out. Someone did. So I can just quote and think "Correct".

humanji

mysterious wrote: »

:rolleyes:

US is bankrupt.
War is a money making machine.
Killing innocents, ravaging the land and Taking souls, is one of the best way to get rich fast!

You do the math.

Ah, misplaced condescension. I love it.

Going to war costs billions. They don't just say "I declare war", click their fingers and watch the money roll in. It's a huge undertaking and something that the US can't afford to do right now. There will be an income in the long term, but that won't be enough to fund the immediate war. And the revenue streams from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars mainly goes to companies, not the US government. The US will only get a paltry some in comparison.

robtri

mysterious wrote: »

Israel attacking Iran in "days", was a headline a few years ago and every day since.:rolleyes:

but if people keep saying it long enough.. they might be eventaully right.....

meditraitor

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055638914&highlight=attack+iran&page=5

One of a few threads on this subject over the past 3 years....... Its never going to happen.

Iran is to big for either Isreal of the US while they are in Iraq and afganistan.

Look at a map, if they open up a front in Iran they will have a warzone from eastern afganistan to western Iraq, not even the chineese army could control that.

Torakx

The USA are trying to tie in the United Nations with a hypocritical ban on Irans nuclear capability but not theirs.If that goes ahead and Iran dont stop doign what the states and Israel have done then it could involve USA,Israel,UN(this includes alot of europe too right?) against possibly Russia, Pakistan,Iran and whoever else..maybe china or north korea im not up on russia china or n korea politics really.Just a thought.

Penn

mysterious wrote: »

:rolleyes:

US is bankrupt.
War is a money making machine.
Killing innocents, ravaging the land and Taking souls, is one of the best way to get rich fast!

You do the math.

But if USA is bankrupt, how could they afford to go to war to make the profit? I could become a millionaire by selling gold at a higher price, but I'd have to buy the gold first. If I was bankrupt, I wouldn't be able to

As humanji said, going to war costs billions. If America is bankrupt, how could they afford to start another war? Let me guess...

They'll get the money (either winking smiley or rolleyes smiley)

tfitzgerald

the us simply does not have the manpower at the moment to attack iran unless you are talking about an airwar then they can bomb the place back to the stoneage but i do think that they would like to level the place

Torakx

To paddyIrishman you can get a loan from a bank to buy the gold
The USA im sure have many ways or playing with the books so teh national debt isnt affected till years later.Look at Greece for an example.
Also they can issue promissary notes instead of loans which afaik dont effect inflation/debt etc.

As for attacking Iran why wouldnt they bomb them?
Israel are probably waiting a long time to fire a few missiles over the border.
The yanks must have over 20 ships sitting in range of the coast also.

mysterious

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

But if USA is bankrupt, how could they afford to go to war to make the profit? I could become a millionaire by selling gold at a higher price, but I'd have to buy the gold first. If I was bankrupt, I wouldn't be able to

As humanji said, going to war costs billions. If America is bankrupt, how could they afford to start another war? Let me guess...

They'll get the money (either winking smiley or rolleyes smiley)

The country is bankrupt, not the Illuminati. They own everything now. Not only this, they can just use the media and tell the country that they are terrorists going to bomb USA again, and you have hundreds of thousands of Americans ready to fight another war. History is just repeating again.

Human beings for the most part are very stupid and docile Paddy. Even if their lives are at a steak. They blindly follow anything they are told.

You don't see the bigger picture, it would cost us billions, not the illuminati. There is a war on levels you wouldn't even comprehend.

humanji

Torakx wrote: »

To paddyIrishman you can get a loan from a bank to buy the gold
The USA im sure have many ways or playing with the books so teh national debt isnt affected till years later.Look at Greece for an example.
Also they can issue promissary notes instead of loans which afaik dont effect inflation/debt etc.

As for attacking Iran why wouldnt they bomb them?
Israel are probably waiting a long time to fire a few missiles over the border.
The yanks must have over 20 ships sitting in range of the coast also.

Well they simply can't bomb them, they have to have just cause. If they're going to go to war, then they need to set up a false flag operation. And considering CT sites are going on and on about how the US are going to create a false flag operation as an excuse to attack Iran, then they're going to have to come up with a damned good one in order not to be found out, otherwise it'll backfire and without justification, they'll lose support and suffer major military and political defeats.

mysterious wrote:

The country is bankrupt, not the Illuminati. They own everything now. Not only this, they can just use the media and tell the country that they are terrorists going to bomb USA again, and you have hundreds of thousands of Americans ready to fight another war. History is just repeating again.

The country is going to war, not the illuminati. And there's more to funding war than buying manpower. They simply don't have the money or soldiers or equipment to have three wars going on at once.

robtri

mysterious wrote: »

Human beings for the most part are very stupid and docile Paddy. Even if their lives are at a steak. They blindly follow anything they are told.

Mysterious
Serious question.... are you a human being? born and lived your whole totally on the planet we call earth?

Torakx

Well they have all the motive in the world to start another war(WMD's,Osama "spotted" in n/e Iran).Im presuming they arent worried about bankrupting america since that is one of the ct's generally going around(that they plan to bankrupt america to bring in a new world currency starting with the amero(or whatever they wish to name the currency for the north american alliance)
For me its only a question of time.Maybe they will do another terrorist attack on some other countries that are needed to be dragged into the fray.Possibly a european country.
HHmm if i was the states or Israel and wanted to terrorise europe which country would i bomb? maybe false flag attack on Brussells or Paris or Berlin.

humanji

robtri wrote: »

Mysterious
Serious question.... are you a human being? born and lived your whole totally on the planet we call earth?

There's no reason to be insulting.

Torakx wrote: »

Well they have all the motive in the world to start another war(WMD's,Osama "spotted" in n/e Iran).Im presuming they arent worried about bankrupting america since that is one of the ct's generally going around(that they plan to bankrupt america to bring in a new world currency starting with the amero(or whatever they wish to name the currency for the north american alliance)
For me its only a question of time.Maybe they will do another terrorist attack on some other countries that are needed to be dragged into the fray.Possibly a european country.
HHmm if i was the states or Israel and wanted to terrorise europe which country would i bomb? maybe false flag attack on Brussells or Paris or Berlin.

Well spotting Osama wouldn't be enough of an excuse and the WMD's has been done before and still isn't particularly convincing for most. They'd need Iran to make an openly hostile move against Israel or the US. I don't think a fake terrorist attack against a European country would work as it would need to be Iran as a country commiting the act, not a group with connections to Iran.

Torakx

I see the point your making.I just dont have alot of faith in the general publics critical thinking faculties.
As far as the general population knows Osama is hiding out in Iran possibly being sheltered.Iran is making weapons of mass destruction.The yanks probably are at orange or amber alert (major LOL, had to say that since its so funny the scare tactics used),America has threatened war if Iran doesnt stop and Iran aint looking to be stopping their nuclear operations.
I do have a question which hasnt been answered.
Does anyone know if enriched Uranium is needed for a nuclear power plant?
Or is it just weapons that is used for?

humanji

Well, the US has threatened war with a fair few countries and not invaded. And there are much better targets than Iran, who could potentially have nuclear weapons.


And I don't know for sure, but I think enriched uranium is used in both power plants and weapons manufacturing.

Myrddin

mysterious wrote: »

There is a war on levels you wouldn't even comprehend.

humanji wrote: »

There's no reason to be insulting.

I agree, however if I was PaddyIrishMan, Id find mysterious' comment insulting.

humanji wrote: »

And I don't know for sure, but I think enriched uranium is used in both power plants and weapons manufacturing.

I think the same type of Uranium is used, it just depends on how far the enrichment process went that determines its grade - i.e. weapons grade uranium is something like 90% enriched, whereas uranium used for power generation is something like 60/70% enriched. Apparently the hard part is enriching uranium as far as 70%, the remaining 20% needed to make weapons grade is a far lesser challenge.

I dunno, say whatever you want about the US being hypocritical about new powers having nuclear weapons - I dont feel uncomfortable knowing the US have them, I would however, if I knew an unstable non democratic government had them. I think the US has learned its lesson re nuclear weapons, obviously in Japan, then during the cold wars "Mutually Assured Destruction" phase. Nuclear weapons have no real benefit today, as most superpowers have them. This means any large scale war involving nuclear weapons is going to result in collassal losses on BOTH sides. Somehow, something tells me that Khamenei/Jong-iL have a LOT to learn before being entrusted with the ability to literally ruin the planet.

WakeUp

The final pieces are nearly in play, imo, there is an attack on the way and God help us all if it happens and escalates.

On the subject of nuclear weapons they should not exist as they are a twisted perversion of science. The day Oppenenheimer and his crew cracked the nuclear code for mass destruction on a scale so horrible it might just wipe us out as a functioning species, was the day humanity and our supposedly learned leaders ceased to be a rational species imo.

The Americans along with Israel are prepared to destroy Iran, maybe even drag Russia & China into a third world war not to mention to Moslem nations, on the basis that they “might” build a nuke. Iran is signatory of the NPT. Israel who we all know has nukes isn’t. The Americans have actively contributed to the proliferation of nuclear weapons throughout the world including Western Europe. Belgium, Germany, The Netherlands, Italy and Turkey between them stockpile somewhere in the region of 480 B-61 US built thermo nuclear weapons. US double standards are shocking and that is putting it mildly.



Robert Oppenheimer
Scores a well deserved 10/10 on humanities Kuntatude scale.

Penn

EnterNow wrote: »

I agree, however if I was PaddyIrishMan, Id find mysterious' comment insulting.

Nah, I'm cool with it. I guess I'm just having difficulty understanding where the Illuminati's wealth begins and where America's end. From other CT's it sounds like the Illuminati control all the banks, the media, health organisations, political organisations, law, military etc. So surely they control America's money. So if America is in financial difficulty, that's because the Illuminati are taking the money from America for themselves.

So if America wanted to attack Iran, the cost would be huge. Now, whether they conduct a false flag attack to make the American people accept the war is a different matter. What I'm saying is, they would need lots of money in order to conduct the war. So the Illuminati would have to put money back into the military. Would this not be noticed?

They would have to stage a full economic recovery, otherwise the American people wouldn't accept their government using money to fund the war, depending on the severity of the false flag operation. WMDs and Bin Laden probably wouldn't cut it this time.

Brown Bomber

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Nah, I'm cool with it. I guess I'm just having difficulty understanding where the Illuminati's wealth begins and where America's end.

The US is just the host for the parasites of our time.

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

So if America is in financial difficulty, that's because the Illuminati are taking the money from America from themselves.

What happens if the US goes broke?

The global debt crisis, which is beginning in Greece, and spreading throughout the euro-zone economies of Spain, Portugal, Ireland and ultimately the entire EU, will further consume the UK, Japan and go all the way to America.[50] This will be a truly global debt crisis. Government measures to address the issue of debt focus on the implementation of ‘fiscal austerity measures’ to reduce the debt burdens and make interest payments on their debts.

‘Fiscal austerity’ is a vague term that in actuality refers to cutting social spending and increasing taxes. The effect this has is that the public sector is devastated, as all assets are privatized, public workers are fired en masse, unemployment becomes rampant, health and education disappear, taxes rise dramatically, and currencies are devalued to make all assets cheaper for international corporations and banks to buy up, while internally causing inflation – dramatically increasing the costs of fuel and food. In short, ‘fiscal austerity’ implies ‘social destruction’ as the social foundations of nations and peoples are pulled out from under them. States then become despotic and oppress the people, who naturally revolt against ‘austerity’: the sterilization of society.

‘Fiscal austerity’ swept the developing world through the 1980s and 1990s in response to the 1980s debt crisis which consumed Latin America, Africa, and areas of Asia. The result of the fiscal austerity measures imposed upon nations by the World Bank and IMF was the social dismantling of the new societies and their subsequent enslavement to the international creditors of the IMF, World Bank, and western corporations and banks. It was an era of economic imperialism, and the IMF was a central tool of this imperial project.

As the debt crisis we see unfolding today sweeps the world, the IMF is again stepping in to impose ‘fiscal austerity’ on nations in return for short-term loans for countries to pay off the interest on their exorbitant debts, themselves owed mostly to major European and American banks. Western nations have agreed to impose fiscal austerity,[51] which will in fact only inflame the crisis, deepen the depression and destroy the social foundations of the west so that we are left only with the authoritarian apparatus of state power – the police, military, homeland ‘security’ apparatus – which is employed against people to protect the status quo powers.

The IMF has also come to the global economic crisis with a new agenda, giving out loans in its own synthetic currency – Special Drawing Rights (SDRs) – an international reserve basket of currencies. The G20 in April of 2009 granted the IMF the authority to begin phasing in the applications of issuing SDRs, and for the IMF to in effect become a global central bank issuing a global currency.[52] So through this global debt crisis, SDRs will be disbursed globally – both efficiently and in abundance – as nations will need major capital inflows and loans to pay off interest payments, or in the event of a default. This will happen at a pace so rapid that it would never be conceivable if not for a global economic crisis. The same took place in the 1980s, as the nature of “Structural Adjustment Programs” (SAPs) could not be properly assessed as detrimental to economic conditions and ultimately socially devastating, for countries needed money fast (as the debt crisis spread across the developing world) and were not in a position to negotiate. Today, this will be the ‘globalization’ of the debt crisis of the 1980s, on a much larger and more devastating scale, and the reaction will be equally globalized and devastating: the continued implementation of ‘global governance’.

As austerity hits the west, the middle class will vanish in obscurity, as they will be absorbed into the lower, labour-oriented working class.[53] The youth of the western middle class, comprising the majority of the educated youth, will be exposed to a ‘poverty of expectations’ in which they grew up in a world in which they were promised everything, and from whom everything was so quickly taken. The inevitability of protests, riots and possible rebellion is as sure as the sun rises.[54]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19873

Brown Bomber

EnterNow wrote: »

I dunno, say whatever you want about the US being hypocritical about new powers having nuclear weapons - I dont feel uncomfortable knowing the US have them,

This despite they are the only state in the history of the world to use them in anger?

EnterNow wrote: »

I would however, if I knew an unstable non democratic government had them.

and your feelings on Israel having nukes?

Myrddin

Brown Bomber wrote: »

This despite they are the only state in the history of the world to use them in anger?

and your feelings on Israel having nukes?

60 years ago, and its a bit convenient how you didnt quote where I said in the time since then, I think they have learned their lesson about them - about how effective and ineffective they really are. Do you not think Hitler would have used them if he had them in his arsenal? What if Hitler had developed the bomb first? Instead of 2 bombs ending the war, it would have been two bombs for starters. Yes the price was sickeningly high, but in the hear & now, today, Im glad the US developed them first. I cant see the US ever using them again being honest, short of another superpower war which isnt going to happen any time soon, and we can thank the cold war for that (MAD).

I dont agree with the US's use of WMDs in WW2, frankly I dont think anyone does. What Im saying is though, is that having used them in war, the US has had to live with that stigma for nearly 70 years. They carried out an act of horror which will never be forgotten about, nor should ever be - but I dont think they are too eager to repeat that mistake.

My thoughts on Israeli held WMDs'? Why would they be any different to my thoughts on Russia having them? Is it because they are allies with the US? Im no lover of Israel, or their policies, but surely they are following UN policy on the ownership/storage/useage of WMD's....i.e weapons inspectors etc? Im not that well up on middle east politics, and Id rather no country had nuclear weapons including Israel, which to me causes unnecessary friction in the region. Israel having WMDs', yes its a problem, thats my thought on it. Not an imminent problem, but not far off. And I dont see a resolution to that...

Can a country like Israel just take it upon themselves to launch a nuclear attack? Is there no council? What would the reprecussions be of such an attack, from the international community/UN?

uprising2

EnterNow wrote: »

60 years ago, and its a bit convenient how you didnt quote where I said in the time since then, I think they have learned their lesson about them - about how effective and ineffective they really are. Do you not think Hitler would have used them if he had them in his arsenal? What if Hitler had developed the bomb first? Instead of 2 bombs ending the war, it would have been two bombs for starters. Yes the price was sickeningly high, but in the hear & now, today, Im glad the US developed them first. I cant see the US ever using them again being honest, short of another superpower war which isnt going to happen any time soon, and we can thank the cold war for that (MAD).

I dont agree with the US's use of WMDs in WW2, frankly I dont think anyone does. What Im saying is though, is that having used them in war, the US has had to live with that stigma for nearly 70 years. They carried out an act of horror which will never be forgotten about, nor should ever be - but I dont think they are too eager to repeat that mistake.

My thoughts on Israeli held WMDs'? Why would they be any different to my thoughts on Russia having them? Is it because they are allies with the US? Im no lover of Israel, or their policies, but surely they are following UN policy on the ownership/storage/useage of WMD's....i.e weapons inspectors etc? Im not that well up on middle east politics, and Id rather no country had nuclear weapons including Israel, which to me causes unnecessary friction in the region. Israel having WMDs', yes its a problem, thats my thought on it. Not an imminent problem, but not far off. And I dont see a resolution to that...

Can a country like Israel just take it upon themselves to launch a nuclear attack? Is there no council? What would the reprecussions be of such an attack, from the international community/UN?

Man, your view is far from the reality of how it is, Israel officially don't have nukes, yet unofficially we all know they have, officially they don't need UN, the IAEA or anybody looking for what they say they don't have, and nobody looks or seems to mind, they have said they would have no problem nuking Iran, and are a messed up bunch of lunatics, who would not hesitate, and your assumption that they would worry about what the international community may think, these people see themselves as way above humans, with every right to kill whoever and whatever they so wish.
Revealed: Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article1290331.ece


USA has been developing mini nukes for a few years now, with the view to using them in "normal warfare" on the battlefield, the US is the most bloodthirsty, killing machine on the planet with its bloodsoaked hands in a lot of pies all over the world, it is the biggest mass murdering nation of our time, with millions of kills under its belt in every corner of this planet
If anybody wants to make judgement on a war mongering nation, and compare the US to Iran, please do, then ask yourself who is the bad guy here, but cowards will always lick the biggest baddest ones ass, and promote their illusion. Iran has always been the US and Israel's real target, from way back, we've been bombarded with this propaganda for years, and people who don't fully research things fall for the lies and bullsh1t.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1110-07.htm

Also something slightly off topic, but the USA was behind the rise of the Soviet Union, with funding and military aid.

In 1973 Sutton published a popularized, condensed version of the three volumes called National Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union, and was thereby forced out of the Hoover Institution. His conclusion from his research on the issue was that the conflicts of the Cold War were "not fought to restrain communism", since the United States, through financing the Soviet Union "directly or indirectly armed both sides in at least Korea and Vietnam"; rather, these wars were organised in order "to generate multibillion-dollar armaments contracts".

So according to this man the USA armed their enemies as they were killing American soldiers.
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Sutton,_Antony



Before anybody disregards this out of hand as absurd, well it is absurd, but it's coming from a very reliable source, he said what others in his position were afraid to, he was certainly no crackpot and what he says should be researched before being dismissed out of hand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton#Biography

Bottom line is the USA is a master illusionist, and has perfected the art of lying and deception, and have no qualms about it, it has no problem whatsoever destroying life, be it guilty or innocent, friend or foe.

Myrddin

EnterNow wrote: »

Im not that well up on middle east politics. Can a country like Israel just take it upon themselves to launch a nuclear attack? Is there no council? What would the reprecussions be of such an attack, from the international community/UN?

uprising2 wrote: »

Man, your view is far from the reality of how it is, and your assumption that they would worry about what the international community may think, these people see themselves as way above humans, with every right to kill whoever and whatever they so wish.

If you re-read my post, you'll actually see me admitting Im not well up on the middle east situation. See, its right there in black & white. Oh and my "assumptions", are actually questions I was asking. Not rhetorical questions, genuine questions Id be interested in peoples answers about. See this mark here "?", well thats called a question mark. People use it when asking a question, not when they are assuming something.

Have another go at reading my post, and if you get stuck again, cross reference anything that confuses you with this.

uprising2

EnterNow wrote: »

If you re-read my post, you'll actually see me admitting Im not well up on the middle east situation. See, its right there in black & white. Oh and my "assumptions", are actually questions I was asking. Not rhetorical questions, genuine questions Id be interested in peoples answers about. See this mark here "?", well thats called a question mark. People use it when asking a question, not when they are assuming something.

Have another go at reading my post, and if you get stuck again, cross reference anything that confuses you with this.

Sorry, you are right, I apologise without reserve, I jumped the gun there with my reply.

K-9

I thought this was supposed to happen last year?

WakeUp

G8 Fully believes Israel will attack Iran- Berlusconi

Stratfor has published a naval chart on their website showing US carrier deployments. They say it is accurate as of 23/06. USS Dwight D. Eisenhower has been joined by the USS Harry S Truman in the North Indian Ocean not far from the Strait of Hormuz-chart


USS Dwight D.E



USS Harry.S.T

WakeUp

Last Thursday the US congress passed tough new unilateral sanctions aimed at Irans banking and energy sectors. Is all very familiar, the US used the same sort of tactics leading up to the invasion of Iraq-pre 2003.

The US has not officially declared war on a country since WW2 the preferred method seems to be these unilateral sanctions. These sanctions may well be an unofficial declaration of war with Iran.-Reuters

Michael Oren is Israel’s ambassador in the States. He believes the sanctions passed will either force Iran back to the negotiating table ( unlikely if past actions are anything to go by) or they will respond with terrorist attacks in the middle east- through Hamas and Hizbullah -Oren

Things would appear to be moving fast.

Douglas Herman is a retired USAF Veteran. He writes for Rense.com. He penned a few articles both before and after the US invasion of Iraq and their new shock and awe tactics, what is likely to happen when they attack and the aftermath. He was fairly accurate in what he had to say.

This is what he believes an attack on Iran will look like on day one of the war should it happen. Im copying and pasting the article direct from Rense for anyone interested in reading it. Let us all hope he is wrong.

Day One -
The War With Iran

By Douglas Herman

A Rense.com Exclusive

The war began as planned. The Israeli pilots took off well before dawn and streaked across Lebanon and northern Iraq, high above Kirkuk. Flying US-made F-15 and F-16s, the Israelis separated over the mountains of western Iran, the pilots gesturing a last minute show of confidence in their mission, maintaining radio silence.

Just before the sun rose over Tehran, moments before the Muslim call to prayer, the missiles struck their targets. While US Air Force AWACS planes circled overhead--listening, watching, recording--heavy US bombers followed minutes later. Bunker-busters and mini-nukes fell on dozens of targets while Iranian anti-aircraft missiles sped skyward.

The ironically named Bushehr nuclear power plant crumbled to dust. Russian technicians and foreign nationals scurried for safety. Most did not make it.

Targets in Saghand and Yazd, all of them carefully chosen many months before by Pentagon planners, were destroyed. The uranium enrichment facility in Natanz; a heavy water plant and radioisotope facility in Arak; the Ardekan Nuclear Fuel Unit; the Uranium Conversion Facility and Nuclear Technology Center in Isfahan; were struck simultaneously by USAF and Israeli bomber groups.

The Tehran Nuclear Research Center, the Tehran Molybdenum, Iodine and Xenon Radioisotope Production Facility, the Tehran Jabr Ibn Hayan Multipurpose Laboratories, the Kalaye Electric Company in the Tehran suburbs were destroyed.

Iranian fighter jets rose in scattered groups. At least those Iranian fighter planes that had not been destroyed on the ground by swift and systematic air strikes from US and Israeli missiles. A few Iranian fighters even launched missiles, downing the occasional attacker, but American top guns quickly prevailed in the ensuing dogfights.

The Iranian air force, like the Iranian navy, never really knew what hit them. Like the slumbering US sailors at Pearl Harbor, the pre-dawn, pre-emptive attack wiped out fully half the Iranian defense forces in a matter of hours.

By mid-morning, the second and third wave of US/Israeli raiders screamed over the secondary targets. The only problem now, the surprising effectiveness of the Iranian missile defenses. The element of surprise lost, US and Israeli warplanes began to fall from the skies in considerable numbers to anti-aircraft fire.

At 7:35 AM, Tehran time, the first Iranian anti-ship missile destroyed a Panamanian oil tanker, departing from Kuwait and bound for Houston. Launched from an Iranian fighter plane, the Exocet split the ship in half and set the ship ablaze in the Strait of Hormuz. A second and third tanker followed, black smoke billowing from the broken ships before they blew up and sank. By 8:15 AM, all ship traffic on the Persian Gulf had ceased.

US Navy ships, ordered earlier into the relative safety of the Indian Ocean, south of their base in Bahrain, launched counter strikes. Waves of US fighter planes circled the burning wrecks in the bottleneck of Hormuz but the Iranian fighters had fled.

At 9 AM, Eastern Standard Time, many hours into the war, CNN reported a squadron of suicide Iranian fighter jets attacking the US Navy fleet south of Bahrain. Embedded reporters aboard the ships--sending live feeds directly to a rapt audience of Americans just awakening--reported all of the Iranian jets destroyed, but not before the enemy planes launched dozens of Exocet and Sunburn anti-ship missiles. A US aircraft carrier, cruiser and two destroyers suffered direct hits. The cruiser blew up and sank, killing 600 men. The aircraft carrier sank an hour later.

By mid-morning, every military base in Iran was partially or wholly destroyed. Sirens blared and fires blazed from hundreds of fires. Explosions rocked Tehran and the electrical power failed. The Al Jazeerah news station in Tehran took a direct hit from a satellite bomb, leveling the entire block.

At 9:15 AM, Baghdad time, the first Iranian missile struck the Green Zone. For the next thirty minutes a torrent of missiles landed on GPS coordinates carefully selected by Shiite militiamen with cell phones positioned outside the Green Zone and other permanent US bases. Although US and Israeli bomber pilots had destroyed 90% of the Iranian missiles, enough Shahabs remained to fully destroy the Green Zone, the Baghdad airport, and a US Marine base. Thousands of unsuspecting US soldiers died in the early morning barrage. Not surprisingly, CNN and Fox withheld the great number of casualties from American viewers.

By 9:30 AM, gas stations on the US east coast began to raise their prices. Slowly at first and then altogether in a panic, the prices rose. $4 a gallon, and then $5 and then $6, the prices skyrocketed. Worried motorists, rushing from work, roared into the nearest gas station, radios blaring the latest reports of the pre-emptive attack on Iran. While fistfights broke out in gas stations everywhere, the third Middle Eastern war had begun.

In Washington DC, the spin began minutes after the first missile struck its intended target. The punitive strike--not really a war said the harried White House spokesman--would further democracy and peace in the Middle East. Media pundits mostly followed the party line. By ridding Iran of weapons of mass destruction, Donald Rumsfeld declared confidently on CNN, Iran might follow in the footsteps of Iraq, and enjoy the hard won fruits of freedom.

The president scheduled a speech at 2 PM. Gas prices rose another two dollars before then. China and Japan threatened to dump US dollars. Gold rose $120 an ounce. The dollar plummeted against the Euro.

CNN reported violent, anti-American protests in Paris, London, Rome, Berlin and Dublin. Fast food franchises throughout Europe, carrying American corporate logos, were firebombed.

A violent coup toppled the pro-American Pakistan president. On the New York Stock Exchange, prices fell in a frenzy of trading--except for the major petroleum producers. A single, Iranian Shahab missile struck Tel Aviv, destroying an entire city block. Israel vowed revenge, and threatened a nuclear strike on Tehran, before a hastily called UN General Assembly in New York City eased tensions.

An orange alert in New York City suddenly reddened to a full-scale terror alarm when a package detonated on a Manhattan subway. The Mayor declared martial law. Governor Pataki ordered the New York National Guard fully mobilized, mobilizing what few national guardsmen remained in the state.

The president looked shaken at 2 PM. The scroll below the TV screen reported Persian Gulf nations halting production of oil until the conflict could be resolved peacefully. Venezuelan president, Hugo Chavez, announced a freeze in oil deliveries to the US would begin immediately. Tony Blair offered to mediate peace negotiations, between the US and Israel and Iran, but was resoundingly rejected.

By 6 PM, Eastern Standard Time, gas prices had stabilized at just below $10 a gallon. A Citgo station in Texas, near Fort Sam Houston Army base, was firebombed. No one claimed responsibility. Terrorism was not ruled out.

At sunset, the call to prayer--in Tehran, Baghdad, Islamabad, Ankara, Jerusalem, Jakarta, Riyadh--sounded uncannily like the buzzing of enraged bees.

mysterious

These threads are hilarious, how many years have I been seeing this.

Israel will attack Iran, K boom on CNN. Heck could we just blow up CNN. It's the reason why Panadol sales is booming. Constant fear fear fear fear. It's like a nagging granny "oh the big bad terrorist" is out to get us.

This is Lucifer's war, and nobody here knows why they are invading Iran. it's actually pretty simple. AND NO ITS NOT OIL:rolleyes:

WakeUp

mysterious wrote: »

These threads are hilarious, how many years have I been seeing this.

Israel will attack Iran, K boom on CNN. Heck could we just blow up CNN. It's the reason why Panadol sales is booming. Constant fear fear fear fear. It's like a nagging granny "oh the big bad terrorist" is out to get us.

This is Lucifer's war, and nobody here knows why they are invading Iran. it's actually pretty simple. AND NO ITS NOT OIL:rolleyes:

To be honest Mysterious I dont think its hilarious at all poor choice of word you used there, it takes months and years to have everything in place. I hope this doesn't happen as any sane person does but it still doesnt change the fact that both America and Israel would appear to be lining Iran up for a strike regardless of their motive for doing so.

Yes the world is full of fear fear fear as you put it but that isn't highlighting anything its just stating the obvious.

And yes its not about oil your right about that. Its about Iran allegedly trying to enrich uranium to weapons grade and in turn building a bomb or so the Americans and Israel keep claiming.

Di0genes

WakeUp wrote: »

Day One -
The War With Iran

By Douglas Herman

A Rense.com Exclusive

The war began as planned. The Israeli pilots took off well before dawn and streaked across Lebanon and northern Iraq, high above Kirkuk. Flying US-made F-15 and F-16s, the Israelis separated over the mountains of western Iran, the pilots gesturing a last minute show of confidence in their mission, maintaining radio silence.

Just before the sun rose over Tehran, moments before the Muslim call to prayer, the missiles struck their targets. While US Air Force AWACS planes circled overhead--listening, watching, recording--heavy US bombers followed minutes later. Bunker-busters and mini-nukes fell on dozens of targets while Iranian anti-aircraft missiles sped skyward.

The ironically named Bushehr nuclear power plant crumbled to dust. Russian technicians and foreign nationals scurried for safety. Most did not make it.

Targets in Saghand and Yazd, all of them carefully chosen many months before by Pentagon planners, were destroyed. The uranium enrichment facility in Natanz; a heavy water plant and radioisotope facility in Arak; the Ardekan Nuclear Fuel Unit; the Uranium Conversion Facility and Nuclear Technology Center in Isfahan; were struck simultaneously by USAF and Israeli bomber groups.

The Tehran Nuclear Research Center, the Tehran Molybdenum, Iodine and Xenon Radioisotope Production Facility, the Tehran Jabr Ibn Hayan Multipurpose Laboratories, the Kalaye Electric Company in the Tehran suburbs were destroyed.

Iranian fighter jets rose in scattered groups. At least those Iranian fighter planes that had not been destroyed on the ground by swift and systematic air strikes from US and Israeli missiles. A few Iranian fighters even launched missiles, downing the occasional attacker, but American top guns quickly prevailed in the ensuing dogfights.

The Iranian air force, like the Iranian navy, never really knew what hit them. Like the slumbering US sailors at Pearl Harbor, the pre-dawn, pre-emptive attack wiped out fully half the Iranian defense forces in a matter of hours.

By mid-morning, the second and third wave of US/Israeli raiders screamed over the secondary targets. The only problem now, the surprising effectiveness of the Iranian missile defenses. The element of surprise lost, US and Israeli warplanes began to fall from the skies in considerable numbers to anti-aircraft fire.

At 7:35 AM, Tehran time, the first Iranian anti-ship missile destroyed a Panamanian oil tanker, departing from Kuwait and bound for Houston. Launched from an Iranian fighter plane, the Exocet split the ship in half and set the ship ablaze in the Strait of Hormuz. A second and third tanker followed, black smoke billowing from the broken ships before they blew up and sank. By 8:15 AM, all ship traffic on the Persian Gulf had ceased.

US Navy ships, ordered earlier into the relative safety of the Indian Ocean, south of their base in Bahrain, launched counter strikes. Waves of US fighter planes circled the burning wrecks in the bottleneck of Hormuz but the Iranian fighters had fled.

At 9 AM, Eastern Standard Time, many hours into the war, CNN reported a squadron of suicide Iranian fighter jets attacking the US Navy fleet south of Bahrain. Embedded reporters aboard the ships--sending live feeds directly to a rapt audience of Americans just awakening--reported all of the Iranian jets destroyed, but not before the enemy planes launched dozens of Exocet and Sunburn anti-ship missiles. A US aircraft carrier, cruiser and two destroyers suffered direct hits. The cruiser blew up and sank, killing 600 men. The aircraft carrier sank an hour later.

By mid-morning, every military base in Iran was partially or wholly destroyed. Sirens blared and fires blazed from hundreds of fires. Explosions rocked Tehran and the electrical power failed. The Al Jazeerah news station in Tehran took a direct hit from a satellite bomb, leveling the entire block.

At 9:15 AM, Baghdad time, the first Iranian missile struck the Green Zone. For the next thirty minutes a torrent of missiles landed on GPS coordinates carefully selected by Shiite militiamen with cell phones positioned outside the Green Zone and other permanent US bases. Although US and Israeli bomber pilots had destroyed 90% of the Iranian missiles, enough Shahabs remained to fully destroy the Green Zone, the Baghdad airport, and a US Marine base. Thousands of unsuspecting US soldiers died in the early morning barrage. Not surprisingly, CNN and Fox withheld the great number of casualties from American viewers.

By 9:30 AM, gas stations on the US east coast began to raise their prices. Slowly at first and then altogether in a panic, the prices rose. $4 a gallon, and then $5 and then $6, the prices skyrocketed. Worried motorists, rushing from work, roared into the nearest gas station, radios blaring the latest reports of the pre-emptive attack on Iran. While fistfights broke out in gas stations everywhere, the third Middle Eastern war had begun.

In Washington DC, the spin began minutes after the first missile struck its intended target. The punitive strike--not really a war said the harried White House spokesman--would further democracy and peace in the Middle East. Media pundits mostly followed the party line. By ridding Iran of weapons of mass destruction, Donald Rumsfeld declared confidently on CNN, Iran might follow in the footsteps of Iraq, and enjoy the hard won fruits of freedom.

The president scheduled a speech at 2 PM. Gas prices rose another two dollars before then. China and Japan threatened to dump US dollars. Gold rose $120 an ounce. The dollar plummeted against the Euro.

CNN reported violent, anti-American protests in Paris, London, Rome, Berlin and Dublin. Fast food franchises throughout Europe, carrying American corporate logos, were firebombed.

A violent coup toppled the pro-American Pakistan president. On the New York Stock Exchange, prices fell in a frenzy of trading--except for the major petroleum producers. A single, Iranian Shahab missile struck Tel Aviv, destroying an entire city block. Israel vowed revenge, and threatened a nuclear strike on Tehran, before a hastily called UN General Assembly in New York City eased tensions.

An orange alert in New York City suddenly reddened to a full-scale terror alarm when a package detonated on a Manhattan subway. The Mayor declared martial law. Governor Pataki ordered the New York National Guard fully mobilized, mobilizing what few national guardsmen remained in the state.

The president looked shaken at 2 PM. The scroll below the TV screen reported Persian Gulf nations halting production of oil until the conflict could be resolved peacefully. Venezuelan president, Hugo Chavez, announced a freeze in oil deliveries to the US would begin immediately. Tony Blair offered to mediate peace negotiations, between the US and Israel and Iran, but was resoundingly rejected.

By 6 PM, Eastern Standard Time, gas prices had stabilized at just below $10 a gallon. A Citgo station in Texas, near Fort Sam Houston Army base, was firebombed. No one claimed responsibility. Terrorism was not ruled out.

At sunset, the call to prayer--in Tehran, Baghdad, Islamabad, Ankara, Jerusalem, Jakarta, Riyadh--sounded uncannily like the buzzing of enraged bees.

I don't think the word "exclusive" should be used in the title of the piece. A better choice of words would be "fiction".

Penn

WakeUp wrote: »

At sunset, the call to prayer--in Tehran, Baghdad, Islamabad, Ankara, Jerusalem, Jakarta, Riyadh--sounded uncannily like the buzzing of enraged bees.

fontanalis

Eight days from the day of the post. Any day now, fingers crossed.

robtri

fontanalis wrote: »

Eight days from the day of the post. Any day now, fingers crossed.

i was thinkin same thing myself.... maybe its part of the 2012 plan.. and when that doesnt happen, maybe the 2020 plan..... and so on and so on and so on

fontanalis

robtri wrote: »

i was thinkin same thing myself.... maybe its part of the 2012 plan.. and when that doesnt happen, maybe the 2020 plan..... and so on and so on and so on

That's the best bit about this type of CT, always something to look forward to.

mysterious

WakeUp wrote: »

And yes its not about oil your right about that. Its about Iran allegedly trying to enrich uranium to weapons grade and in turn building a bomb or so the Americans and Israel keep claiming.

No it's not. Again wrong. Just another excuse like oil, WMDs etc. It's hilarious because people don't get it. War isn't funny and that's not what I was implying.

The thing that is funny is how stupid the lies are. And all I can do is laugh because I'm sick of reading this shiite day in day out and everyone falling for it. I can't stop these demons from lying. So it's best to laugh and rise above it.

Read my post again, carefully.Notice I said Lucifers war.

fontanalis

mysterious wrote: »

No it's not. Again wrong. Just another excuse like oil, WMDs etc. It's hilarious because people don't get it. War isn't funny and that's not what I was implying.

The thing that is funny is how stupid the lies are. And all I can do is laugh because I'm sick of reading this shiite day in day out and everyone falling for it. I can't stop these demons from lying. So it's best to laugh and rise above it.

Read my post again, carefully.Notice I said Lucifers war.

Hmm.

mysterious

fontanalis wrote: »

Hmm.

You have way to much time on your hands to try pick different sentences out and twist it around to make it seem like something else. Talk about the low of the low. This is a discussion forum not a play school ground.. Do you get paid to drill this shiit on this forum? Serious question?

TalkieWalkie

It's on. Of course the skeppies will say it's all above board... :rolleyes:

In a rare move, Iran has declared a state of war on its northwestern border, debkafile's military and Iranian sources report. Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps men and equipment units are being massed in the Caspian Sea region against what Tehran claims are US and Israeli forces concentrated on army and air bases in Azerbaijan ready to strike Iran's nuclear facilities.

The announcement came on Tuesday, June 22 from Brig.-Gen Mehdi Moini of the Revolutionary Guards (IRGC), commander of the forces tasked with "repelling" this American-Israeli offensive. He said: "The mobilization is due to the presence of American and Israeli forces on the western border," adding, "Reinforcements are being dispatched to West Azerbaijan Province because some western countries are fueling ethnic conflicts to destabilize the situation in the region."

In the past, Iranian officials have spoken of US and Israel attacks in general terms. debkafile's Iranian sources note that this is the first time that a specific location was mentioned and large reinforcements dispatched to give the threat substance.

Other Iranian sources report that in the last few days, Israel has secretly transferred a large number of bomber jets to bases in Azerbaijan, via Georgia, and that American special forces are also concentrated in Azerbaijan in preparation for a strike.

No comment has come from Azerbaijan about any of these reports. Iranian Azerbaijan, the destination of the Revolutionary Guards forces reinforcements, borders on Turkey, Iraq and Armenia. Witnesses say long IRGC convoys of tanks, artillery, anti-aircraft units and infantry are seen heading up the main highways to Azerbaijan and then further north to the Caspian Sea.

On Tuesday, June 22, Dr. Uzi Arad, head of Israel's National Security Council and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's closest adviser, said "The latest round of UN Security Council sanctions on Iran is inadequate for thwarting its nuclear progress. A preemptive military strike might eventually be necessary."

debkafile's intelligence and Iranian sources point to three other developments as setting off Iran's war alert:

1. A certain (limited) reinforcement of American and Israeli forces has taken place in Azerbaijan. Neither Washington nor Jerusalem has ever acknowledged a military presence in this country that borders on Iran, but Western intelligence sources say that both keep a wary eye on the goings-on inside Iran from electronic surveillance bases in that country.

2. Iran feels moved to respond to certain US steps: The arrival of the USS Harry S. Truman Strike Group in the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea and its war games with France and Israel, which included live-fire bombing practices against targets in Iran.

3. The execution of Abdolmalek Rigi, head of the Sunni Baluchi rebel organization (including the Iranian Baluchis), on June 20 was intended as a deterrent for Iran's other minorities. Instead, they are more restive than ever. Several Azeri breakaway movements operate in Iranian Azerbaijan in combination with their brethren across the border. Tehran decided a substantial buildup in the province would serve as a timely measure against possible upheavals.

http://www.debka.com/

squod

Many similar news reports

http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=39326

Iranian nuclear assets are fairly well dug-in while Iranian forces are well equipped and motivated enough to repulse the attack as well as give a bloody nose to Israel

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h2cSs6e7nbaTDeOfreETaFWLaJSg

WASHINGTON — Iran has moved radar to Syria that could provide early-warning against a possible surprise Israeli air attack against Tehran's nuclear sites, a US defense official said on Friday.

Di0genes

For the people who claim they are Pro Palestine and not "anti Jewish"

Why no mention of the success of the EDO plowshares success in a UK court this last week?