'Inception' Mega Thread *SPOILERS FROM POST 292 ONWARDS*

housemap

Entertaining but very silly, dreams aren't rational.

PhiloCypher

housemap wrote: »

Entertaining but very silly, dreams aren't rational.

I've had fantastical dreams where I'm being chased by zombies and bagging chicks left right and centre(not in the same dream alas ) and I've had completely rational dreams where I somehow shoot myself in the foot and don't get the girl (no freudian analysis please :P) so to say the film is unrealistic because there is no such thing as rational dreams is a load of old tosh quite frankily .

Just my opinion .

Sad Professor

housemap wrote: »

Entertaining but very silly, dreams aren't rational.

The film is about lucid dreaming. A lucid dream is whatever the dreamer wants it to be. The characters are professionals who are aware they are in a dream and are in control.

housemap

Sad Professor wrote: »

The film is about lucid dreaming. A lucid dream is whatever the dreamer wants it to be. The characters are professionals who are aware they are in a dream and are in control.

Well thats ok for the pro's but as for the 'victim' if he's lucid dreaming then he knows he's dreaming - if he is not lucid dreaming then there is nothing rational about the dream he's probably in a cart race with mario.

Sad Professor

housemap wrote: »

Well thats ok for the pro's but as for the 'victim' if he's lucid dreaming then he knows he's dreaming - if he is not lucid dreaming then there is nothing rational about the dream he's probably in a cart race with mario.

The world of the dream is created by the architect, one of Cobb's crew. They are the actual dreamer. The subject fills that world with their subconscious, mostly projections of people. But you are right, they could fill it with anything. This is why Cobb and co found themselves facing down armed forces - his mind had being trained to resist infiltration.

This was all explained pretty well in the film.

housemap

Sad Professor wrote: »

The world of the dream is created by the architect, one of Cobb's crew. They are the actual dreamer. The subject fills that world with their subconscious, mostly projections of people. But you are right, they could fill it with anything. This is why Cobb and co found themselves facing down armed forces - his mind had being trained to resist infiltration.

This was all explained pretty well in the film.

During sleep the prefrontal cortex shuts down, which is the logic center of the brain, if you find yourself in a room with your father on his deathbead you are far far more likely to dance a jig and ask him for an icecream than have a meaningful conversation.

The film was good fun and entertaining but it's just a fictional story dreamt up by Nolan to earn $$$ , time spent analyzing the world of inception is the equal of time spent analyzing the world of Spongebob.

PhiloCypher

housemap wrote: »

During sleep the prefrontal cortex shuts down, which is the logic center of the brain, if you find yourself in a room with your father on his deathbead you are far far more likely to dance a jig and ask him for an icecream than have a meaningful conversation.

The film was good fun and entertaining but it's just a fictional story dreamt up by Nolan to earn $$$ , time spent analyzing the world of inception is the equal of time spent analyzing the world of Spongebob.

The characters in the film are experiancing WILD(wake initiated lucid dreaming) so they aren't asleep and their logic centres aren't shut down .

As for your its fiction you may aswell be analysing spongebob jibe ,a few questions spring to mind:
A) do you mean to say you have never analyzed/critiqued a work of fiction before ? if so I call shanannigans.
if analyzing fiction is such an anathma to you why post here at all in a forum and thread devoted to it ? is it bitterness at having all the holes you think you have found in the film explained to you :P

Sad Professor

The film's dreamworld being too realistic was a common complaint by critics. Nolan made a Michael Mann-type film but some people wish he had made a David Lynch film. While it could be argued that the film is based on a flawed concept, I personally think this is missing the point and is straying into "I wish he had made a different film" territory.

In any case, I think the film is more is more about reality than it is about dreams. Nolan wanted the the characters (and the audience) to be unsure of their reality. As Nolan said himself, this harkens back to films like The Matrix and Dark City, which were also concerned with the idea of reality. I think dreams were just a device for Nolan to explore some of those same ideas.

Klingon Hamlet

The technology used is barely shown and never explained. We know there's a sedative.We don't know if there are any other chemicals/compunds which may affect the workings of the sleeping mind. Maybe there are elements that help focus the minds of the target and the raiders.

Chris P. Bacon

Just finished watching this on DVD,and I have to say its a cracking film,brilliant.

Phony Scott

Richie Cranium wrote: »

Just finished watching this on DVD,and I have to say its a cracking film,brilliant.

How could you have seen it on DVD? I thought it wasn't out until December 6th?

Basq

Phony Scott wrote: »

How could you have seen it on DVD? I thought it wasn't out until December 6th?

Use your imagination..

Chris P. Bacon

Phony Scott wrote: »

How could you have seen it on DVD? I thought it wasn't out until December 6th?

It's out in America on DVD.

Mike Litoris

...and Russia!!

Phony Scott

basquille wrote: »

Use your imagination..

No call for being sarcastic I figured he might have rented it on DVD, sometimes DVD's do come out in advance to rent before they're available to buy. Also the likes of Laser tend to release stuff way in advance. My point being that I'd like to see the film ASAP.

Basq

Phony Scott wrote: »

No call for being sarcastic

Apologies.. I was just joking.

Rabidlamb

Richie Cranium wrote: »

Just finished watching this on DVD,and I have to say its a cracking film,brilliant.

This is a film that really improves with a second viewing.
A lot of my questions were answered with the ability to replay the dialogue.
The

kick

is one of the best scenes in movie history.

Richard Dower

I'll watch it over the next day or two, i may need help with the plot!!

dr.bollocko

South Park took on inception in their most recent episode. Parodying it quite well. "A taco within a taco." etc. This movie sucked.

RolandIRL

dr.bollocko wrote: »

South Park took on inception in their most recent episode. Parodying it quite well. "A taco within a taco." etc. This movie sucked.

Firemen have the ability to bring ladders into the dream

Chris P. Bacon

whiteman19 wrote: »

Firemen have the ability to bring ladders into the dream

And pizza

jaykhunter

Richie Cranium wrote: »

And pizza

I love South Park but didn't find the episode funny. I get it, Inception is stupid if you think about it. The guy doing the background music was quite funny (the first time, not by the fifth) and the cameo of a special Inception Agent was great. Otherwise continuing the lackluster season

Can't wait to see this film again on Blu-Ray. Having had a while to digest the film i'm interested to know if it will be the same, worse or better on 2nd viewing.

My initial thoughts were that I much preferred Leo's Shutter Island instead.

Did anybody else get tired listening to the unrelenting dark knight score in Inception? it just never let up! Even during scenes in a lull lol

tok9

jaykhunter wrote: »

Can't wait to see this film again on Blu-Ray. Having had a while to digest the film i'm interested to know if it will be the same, worse or better on 2nd viewing.

My initial thoughts were that I much preferred Leo's Shutter Island instead.

Did anybody else get tired listening to the unrelenting dark knight score in Inception? it just never let up! Even during scenes in a lull lol

I'm just after giving it a second viewing now and it's definitely one of my all time favourite movies.

I've one question though. So hopefully someone can help me

Why didn't anyone wake up from the kick when they hit the water or was the kick just when they went over the bridge? If thats the case i still don't understand why Yasuf (driver) didn't wake up. I suppose the sedative

Finally, I loved the score in Inception and the track time is pretty much on repeat on my ipod.

Rabidlamb

tok9 wrote: »

I've one question though. So hopefully someone can help me

Why didn't anyone wake up from the kick when they hit the water or was the kick just when they went over the bridge? If thats the case i still don't understand why Yasuf (driver) didn't wake up. I suppose the sedative

They had to kick back down through all the levels.
From the ice palace to the lift in the hotel to the van that had just hit the water.
Yussaf was there on the river bank after they escaped the van.
The only 2 left behind were Cobb & Saito who were trapped in Limbo still.
It's implied in the opening flashback scene & when it's replayed near the end that Saito recognised they were in a dream & shot them both to bring them back.
That's why they woke on the plane last.

fontanalis

Apologies as I'm sure this has been asked

but why had Saito aged in the dream?

Penn

fontanalis wrote: »

Apologies as I'm sure this has been asked

but why had Saito aged in the dream?

He didn't know he was in a dream since he was there for so long. It was only when Cobb found him that they remembered

Rabidlamb

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

He didn't know he was in a dream since he was there for so long. It was only when Cobb found him that they remembered

Yep, seeing Cobb & the totem reminded him of a "half remembered dream".
He entered Limbo after dying on Level 3 (Ice Fortress) after throwing the grenade down the shaft.
Cobb & Adrianne used the machine to go down the next level to Limbo to get Fischer.
Cobb stays behind in Limbo but is aware of the state cause as he's been there before (perhaps he & Mol are the only ones who have ever been there).
Saito waits a lifetime in Limbo before Cobb finds him but this is only a few hours back in the real world.
They are both brought back by Saito shooting them dead (not shown but assumed).

fontanalis

Thanks both of you. I need to see it again, and possibly again.

mewso

Some of the issues I would have:-

1. Cobb and Ariadnane (whatever) use the machine to go from level 3 to limbo. So there can only be 3 levels? Thought you had to die under the influence of the drug to go down to limbo.
2. In level 1 Cobb says there is no point in killing Ken because he will end up in Limbo. Now when they get to limbo they simply kill themselves to get back to reality or in Ariadnananea's case just up one level (figure that one out). So why not say to Ken "Hey Ken, we are going to finish you off here. Simply kill yourself when you get there ok".
3. You may say well Ken will forget where he is in limbo (which is what happened) but neither Cobb or Ariadsomething forgot and Cobb for presumably years.

indough

but cobb was more experienced in the mechanisms of it which would possibly explain why he recognised that he was in limbo whereas ken didnt