Shape shifting alien reptiles

TalkieWalkie

mugs1 wrote: »

Believing the World is born into slavery and we are all f***ed because the world is controlled by shapeshifting lizards who eat our Babies, doesn't sound like a very "class is half full" mentallity to me!

The world is born into slavery, you are forced to pay income tax on you're flesh and blood practically for you're whole life, just to survive, live. Now they want you to pay tax on water, everything you buy, consume, tolls and borders. That's slavery from any angle you look at it.

I don't believe anyone mentioned "lizards", they are called reptilians and just because you can't see them does not mean they do not exist. You can't see a magnetic force or gravity but it's there. Billions of people believe in god's they can't see, are you going to ridicule them all because you can not see the god ?
I don't recall anyone mentioning that reptilians eat babies, but if they do exist, would it be such a big surprise if they did eat babies ? 50,000 children go missing every year in the U.S alone.

Being open to the possibility that reptilians or other E.T's, spirituality, ascension, ghosts, moon matrix, dimensions or ufo's is definitely a "glass is half full attitude". To deny them because they sound a bit wild or because you can not see them is not only a "glass is half empty" attitude, but is ignorant, arrogant and closed minded.

NckD

If being open minded means you swallow every bit of nonsence being floated around then ill stay sceptic and closed minded. Saying prove it isnt arrogant its called common sence. This Reptilian stuff was made up by Mr Icke to sell his books, its not the glass he wants to be half full, its his wallet. And if ya dont want to pay tax, you can move to Monaco

TalkieWalkie

No Nick Dolan, it doesn't mean you have to swallow it but simply be open to the possibility. If others believe it, perhaps they have reason to. There is no need to ridicule others beliefs. simples

EDIT: It wasn't made up by mr Icke, he did research and found people who had seen reptilians or heard about them. In particuliar was Credo Mutwa.
So he didn't make it up, he reported his findings. I don't think he ever claimned to have seen one.

Do you Want to pay tax ? I didn't say I didnt want to either !! I said it was slavery.

So, you're whole post was absolute sh1te.

NckD

I beg to disagree Walkie Talkie, It was absolute common sense.

TalkieWalkie

NckD wrote: »

I beg to disagree Walkie Talkie, It was absolute common sense.

Yeah, absolutely. :rolleyes:

Icke gave up a good career to become a freak of society because it pays well lol.
And with all the money he's earning, isnt he living the high life, covered in jewelery, huge big house right ? I don't think he even drives a car.

Weather he is or not, he believes he is trying to help people.

Take a look at these guys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYI7JXGqd0o&feature=player_embedded

Bitch about them, they know they are doing wrong an millions die because of it, yet you choose to bitch about someone who believes he is doing good and not hurting anyone.

NckD

According to Wikipedia (not exactly the font of all wisdom) he was let go from the BBC for not paying a poll tax. He then drifted under the influence of New Age Ideas and began a career as a sort of prophet or guru. His theories are dubious and based on pseudoscience and unfounded conspiracies. And i think the less people who believe him, the better

PirateShampoo

And all of this was after he claimed on national tv he was the son of god.

mysterious

PirateShampoo wrote: »

And all of this was after he claimed on national tv he was the son of god.

i don't trust Icke on the "truth movement" side of thing's. The Illuminati have a lot of control over what he says and does. The reason he is says this stuff to the masses, is because "he's let do". This is what most people don't get about this world. We are born into complete slavery and mind control. The Illuminati have everything wrapped up beyond what most people could ever contain to imagine. The Iluminati have technology hundreds of years ahead of what we know.

Icke is not doing anything to stop the NWO. You can't force people to become aware, and selling books also won't make others become aware. If it did no book would ever be sold ever again if the real truth did come out. Alot of new agers and truthers, make the real truthers look like "nutcases"

i know reptilians exist, but they are largely misunderstood. The reptilians are not the ones in control like icke says. The annunaki are above the reptilians. The Draconians are the real name for the reptilians that control the world.

Even within the illuminati many fight over power and blood.

People forget that, once you sell a book, the NWO government knows it. For their is a barcode on it.

I also agree with Talkiewalkie on his points somewhat, but I personally do not trust icke. Finally in response to Pirate shampoo, he did claim to be the son of god, and not only that he also said that hes in "contact" with the most powerful benigs in the universe.

If he was, how come hes still selling books? If you look at the wogan interview, you can clearly see people "were aware" back then aswell. The mainstream will always have a hard time dealing with the truth of whats really going on. Icke imo might have good intenetions, but he does seem ego driven to me.

mugs1

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

The world is born into slavery, you are forced to pay income tax on you're flesh and blood practically for you're whole life, just to survive, live. Now they want you to pay tax on water, everything you buy, consume, tolls and borders. That's slavery from any angle you look at it..

Forced to pay income Tax on your flesh and blood I tought it was on my earnings!!

But wait what if don't have a job how would I feed clothes and educate my children or worse what if they need medical treatment :eek: where would the money come from

the system might be unfair and crap but it's better then what we had 200 years ago


So you don't like borders I guess that means your all for the european union so?

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

I don't believe anyone mentioned "lizards", they are called reptilians and just because you can't see them does not mean they do not exist. You can't see a magnetic force or gravity but it's there. Billions of people believe in god's they can't see, are you going to ridicule them all because you can not see the god ?.

You can do some very simple experiments at home to prove that Gravity and magnetic forces exist! So have you seen these reptilians?

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

I don't recall anyone mentioning that reptilians eat babies, but if they do exist, would it be such a big surprise if they did eat babies ? 50,000 children go missing every year in the U.S alone.

You just did!!

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

Being open to the possibility that reptilians or other E.T's, spirituality, ascension, ghosts, moon matrix, dimensions or ufo's is definitely a "glass is half full attitude". To deny them because they sound a bit wild or because you can not see them is not only a "glass is half empty" attitude, but is ignorant, arrogant and closed minded.

The term "Glass is half full" refers to someone who sees the positive in any given situation.. there is nothing positive in anything you have said only negative so there for you are a "Glass is half empty" person

mugs1

mysterious wrote: »

i don't trust Icke on the "truth movement" side of thing's. The Illuminati have a lot of control over what he says and does. The reason he is says this stuff to the masses, is because "he's let do". This is what most people don't get about this world. We are born into complete slavery and mind control. The Illuminati have everything wrapped up beyond what most people could ever contain to imagine. The Iluminati have technology hundreds of years ahead of what we know.


i know reptilians exist, but they are largely misunderstood. The reptilians are not the ones in control like icke says. The annunaki are above the reptilians. The Draconians are the real name for the reptilians that control the world.

Even within the illuminati many fight over power and blood.

People forget that, once you sell a book, the NWO government knows it. For their is a barcode on it..

Im guessing you spend alot of time on the project camelot website!!!

mysterious

mugs1 wrote: »

Im guessing you spend alot of time on the project camelot website!!!

Wrong.

CiaranMT

... Is what this thread is

Great entertainment guys!

mysterious

CiaranMT wrote: »

... Is what this thread is

Great entertainment guys!

Except in reality, you contribute and consist in the entertainment babble. You will wake up tomorrow and do it all again. Believe me, when you wake up for real in the real world you will realise what a load of cock and bull you believed all your life, "about this world"

Entertainment is for the sleeping masses. Keeps thier minds drilled and preoccupied.

All the funny smilieys in your post makes, this even more cringing for me to see. shudders.

espinolman

mysterious wrote: »

Believe me, when you wake up for real in the real world you will realise what a load of cock and bull you believed all your life, "about this world"

When you wake up for real in whose real world ?

Whose world is this real world ?

Whose real reality should we wake up to ?

mugs1

mysterious wrote: »

Wrong.

Sure you do, it's ok I won't tell anyone

mysterious

mugs1 wrote: »

Sure you do, it's ok I won't tell anyone

:rolleyes:

TalkieWalkie

mugs1 wrote: »

Forced to pay income Tax on your flesh and blood I tought it was on my earnings!!

I don't want to go way off topic so i'll just say this.
Government create bonds from our Birth Certs and trades them to the banks for capital. The government promises our future energy/earnings to the bank as collateral for the loan. Thats why you pay income tax, not because you earn money.

mugs1 wrote: »

But wait what if don't have a job how would I feed clothes and educate my children or worse what if they need medical treatment :eek: where would the money come from

People got on fine pre income tax days.

mugs1 wrote: »

the system might be unfair and crap but it's better then what we had 200 years ago

No, it's not better.

mugs1 wrote: »

So you don't like borders I guess that means your all for the european union so?

I didn't say I don't like borders. That would be a stupid thing to say. You said that.

mugs1 wrote: »

You can do some very simple experiments at home to prove that Gravity and magnetic forces exist! So have you seen these reptilians?

No, I have not seen reptillians but I don't rule out the possibility of their existance just because I have not seen them. That also would be stupid.

mugs1 wrote: »

You just did!!

Thats just silly.

mugs1 wrote: »

The term "Glass is half full" refers to someone who sees the positive in any given situation.. there is nothing positive in anything you have said only negative so there for you are a "Glass is half empty" person

Actually it reffers to optimism and pesimism but regarding positivity, I would regard being open to possibility as being a positive thing.

K-9

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

People got on fine pre income tax days.

No, it's not better.

Without going too off topic, how so?

mugs1

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

I don't want to go way off topic so i'll just say this.
Government create bonds from our Birth Certs and trades them to the banks for capital. The government promises our future energy/earnings to the bank as collateral for the loan. Thats why you pay income tax, not because you earn money..

Well holy crap!! You really are in deep with this stuff, maybe you should consider taking a break from it for a while, it might help you seperate the signal from the noise..... you know come back with a fresh perspective

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

People got on fine pre income tax days.


No, it's not better.

Maybe you could use the time to study some history, maybe start with what life was like for people (children in particular) in the 17th & 18th century!!

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

I didn't say I don't like borders. That would be a stupid thing to say. You said that.

Read your last post, you really are going to have to take responsability for what you write, or at least think before you write it!! it's what adults do..

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

No, I have not seen reptillians but I don't rule out the possibility of their existance just because I have not seen them. That also would be stupid..

Well see there's the problem because you talk like someone who has.....you just scroll through endless websites and youtube videos and think you have it all worked out!!

I think it's a safe bet to think that most people on this forum already have an interest in these topics and as such have allready looked into it themselves.....and don't need their eyes opened or to be educated by you or other people on this forum, and just want an adult conversation without having endless reems of mindless drivel from some obscure website you visited that day delivered from your pulpit as gospel!!!!

TalkieWalkie

mugs1 wrote: »

Well holy crap!! You really are in deep with this stuff, maybe you should consider taking a break from it for a while, it might help you seperate the signal from the noise..... you know come back with a fresh perspective

Just looking at you're other thread :

mugs1 wrote: »

Having spent alot of time looking into this subject myself I can certianly see how this would happen.

Hypocricy anyone ? :eek:

mugs1

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

Just looking at you're other thread :


Hypocricy anyone ? :eek:

So maybe im not just some sleepy sceptic living in the matrix Maan.... and might even know abit about the subject!!

I made several other points in this thread would you like to address them also??

I think K-9 also asked you to elaborate on a couple points too,

Scarab80

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

I don't want to go way off topic so i'll just say this.
Government create bonds from our Birth Certs and trades them to the banks for capital. The government promises our future energy/earnings to the bank as collateral for the loan. Thats why you pay income tax, not because you earn money.

Exhcequer statements showing how all income and other taxes are spent - http://www.finance.gov.ie/ViewDoc.asp?DocId=-1&CatID=5&m=f

amacachi

Sorry, despite my right-wingedness I have to argue the "born into slavery" thing as being a huge overstatement.

If someone wishes to make use of a service provided by somebody else then they should have to pay, what's the problem with that?

TalkieWalkie

K-9 wrote: »

Without going too off topic, how so?

It doesnt come down to whatever material sh1t you think you are blessed with, it come down to being born into debt or not. Pre income tax = less debt and post income tax = more debt = slavery, If you are born into debt, it is considered slavery if you have to work 65-70 years to pay it off, it certainly isnt considered freedom. When you consider that society does not even need money, you begin to see the system for what it is. Enslavement.

mugs1 wrote: »

So maybe im not just some sleepy sceptic living in the matrix Maan.... and might even know abit about the subject!!

I made several other points in this thread would you like to address them also??
You made no points.

I think K-9 also asked you to elaborate on a couple points too,

You made no points. none at all.
Replied to K9, Happy now ?

amacachi wrote: »

Sorry, depite my right-wingedness I have to argue the "born into slavery" thing as being a huge overstatement.

If someone wishes to make use of a service provided by somebody else then they should have to pay, what's the problem with that?

What service is that ?

These questions are better off asked on the GOV, GARDAI private company thread.

Di0genes

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

It doesnt come down to whatever material sh1t you think you are blessed with, it come down to being born into debt or not. Pre income tax = less debt and post income tax = more debt = slavery, If you are born into debt, it is considered slavery if you have to work 65-70 years to pay it off, it certainly isnt considered freedom. When you consider that society does not even need money, you begin to see the system for what it is. Enslavement.

Could you care to examine a chart of when income tax was introduced compared to the few decades beforehand when working a 60-90 week down the mine was standard. There weren't any child labour laws either. With none of the benefits or social welfare security that income tax pays for. You're working on a cotton gin in yorkshire in the 19th century and at the end of a 80 hour week your hand got crushed you weren't entitled to any kind of employment insurance.

And this to your mind is a better situation than any kind of social Welfare system.

Society doesn't need money? You're typing this on a computer. How exactly do you suppose you pay all the people who worked to make this machine and the software that runs on it without money? Do you barter between the sotfware and hardware developers? The people who get components to factories? The designers.

The entire foundation of er civilisation is based on abstract economic system.

Unless you plan on paying for grain and cloth with animal skins, and forgo any scientific or medical benefit achieved in the last 5,000 years. Quit saying we don't need money.

Yitzhak Rabin

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

It doesnt come down to whatever material sh1t you think you are blessed with, it come down to being born into debt or not. Pre income tax = less debt and post income tax = more debt = slavery, If you are born into debt, it is considered slavery if you have to work 65-70 years to pay it off, it certainly isnt considered freedom. When you consider that society does not even need money, you begin to see the system for what it is. Enslavement.

Being able to retire is a relatively recent development. In the past people worked either til they died, or until they physically couldn't and had to hope they had a family to look after them.

Nowadays, thanks to advancements in medical science(vast majority which is paid for by tax) people can live longer and draw a pension and not have to work in their later years(again as a result of social taxes).

I have no clue how you think people could hope to not have to work their whole life if there was no tax?

And another reason I don't understand this logic, is rich people have the most to lose from a socialist system. Tax is taken as a percentage so the more you earn, the more you pay(and the less you get back via social services). Its even stacked against rich people(in Ireland) as they pay almost 50% of their income, whilst poorer people pay no tax and have far more social benefits.

I fail to see how our system is slavery? It's the opposite in fact?

amacachi

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

What service is that ?

People talking about tolls, water charges etc. For as long as a majority or sizeable majority of people want to be provided with everything by someone else and vote in that way we're always going to have debt. It's not slavery, it's people being idiots.

The tax thing isn't a perfect argument either, if one wishes to not pay taxes it's possible, just like on a patch of land, drill your own wells (water and maybe oil for electricity generation), grow your own food. Though to most people that's too much hassle and they choose not to do so.

mugs1

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

It doesnt come down to whatever material sh1t you think you are blessed with, it come down to being born into debt or not. Pre income tax = less debt and post income tax = more debt = slavery, If you are born into debt, it is considered slavery if you have to work 65-70 years to pay it off, it certainly isnt considered freedom. When you consider that society does not even need money, you begin to see the system for what it is. Enslavement.



You made no points. none at all.
Replied to K9, Happy now ?



What service is that ?

These questions are better off asked on the GOV, GARDAI private company thread.

The fact remains that there are still alot of points made by all of the above posters that you need to address directly, and one by one with real coherent answers, but take your time do some research if you need but come back with real answers!!! or concede the Debate...

amacachi

yekahs wrote: »

Being able to retire is a relatively recent development. In the past people worked either til they died, or until they physically couldn't and had to hope they had a family to look after them.

Nowadays, thanks to advancements in medical science(vast majority which is paid for by tax) people can live longer and draw a pension and not have to work in their later years(again as a result of social taxes).

I have no clue how you think people could hope to not have to work their whole life if there was no tax?

And another reason I don't understand this logic, is rich people have the most to lose from a socialist system. Tax is taken as a percentage so the more you earn, the more you pay(and the less you get back via social services). Its even stacked against rich people(in Ireland) as they pay almost 50% of their income, whilst poorer people pay no tax and have far more social benefits.

I fail to see how our system is slavery? It's the opposite in fact?

Taxes are ridiculous. Pensions are the one stand-out example of something that if anyone else did it they'd be prosecuted, but it's OK when the government does it. It's a pyramid scheme, nothing more or less. The state shouldn't exist to provide every service people need, it should exist to allow people to provide those services.

K-9

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

It doesnt come down to whatever material sh1t you think you are blessed with, it come down to being born into debt or not. Pre income tax = less debt and post income tax = more debt = slavery, If you are born into debt, it is considered slavery if you have to work 65-70 years to pay it off, it certainly isnt considered freedom. When you consider that society does not even need money, you begin to see the system for what it is. Enslavement.

Oh, I do see your point.

You need to compare society pre Taxes and society after taxes.

As for your points re debt, Irish people born about say, 2000, were born into less debt than say, 1987. So, it doesn't necessarily follow, taxes means more debt. It can actually mean less debt.

Amazing when you consider Income taxes were drastically cut here between 1987 and 2000 but debt levels reduced.

Anyway getting back to your society was better before statement. Maybr, but who would pay for the Hospitals, schools and the longer life expectancy?