Dublin Bus Network Review

Ben D Bus

A2000 wrote: »

The 40 has been a joke since it became a cross city route with up to 5 buses bunching at any given time and gaps of 30-40 mins not usual at peak times

Maybe I've been lucky, maybe it's because I use RTPI to the max with my phone app, or maybe it's because I work for CIÉ, but I've hardly had any problems with the 40 since shortly after it was introduced.

I'm a daily user. Only outbound during the week as I take the 79a in on my morning commute.

markpb

Ben D Bus wrote: »

maybe it's because I use RTPI

RPTI doesn't make buses come more regularly and doesn't help if your journey times are fixed (like commuting to and from work).

A2000

Anyone know if there are plans to make 16 a fully accessible route? There are still services on rtpi with no wheelchair symbol and no symbol on timetable either.

KD345

A2000 wrote: »

Anyone know if there are plans to make 16 a fully accessible route? There are still services on rtpi with no wheelchair symbol and no symbol on timetable either.

The entire Dublin Bus fleet will be low floor by the end of the year. With new bus deliveries due in the coming months, they'll gradually replace the remaining Olympians.

dowlingm

markpb wrote: »

RPTI doesn't make buses come more regularly and doesn't help if your journey times are fixed (like commuting to and from work).

I'm hearing stories in Toronto that because the TTC haven't provided their on-street inspectors with proper route management tools, they're using RTPI websites like this one using their own smartphones to get a better sense of where their drivers are.

Ben D Bus

markpb wrote: »

RPTI doesn't make buses come more regularly and doesn't help if your journey times are fixed (like commuting to and from work).

Actually it does, in that if I see a bus in 5 minutes and the next one in 45, then I know to get a move on!

But I do take your point. Nevertheless, my experience of the 40 as a frequent user has not been negative.

Stevek101

Anyone hear anything more concrete about the changes to the 41's? I also see they haven't corrected the timetables on the Swords Road QBC.

BenShermin

I'd be confident that any frequent user of the 40 who doesn't use RTPI on their smartphone before going to the bus stop has had a lot of bad experiences.

In a cycle to town yesterday I saw two Liffey Valley bound 40s in a row at Ballyfermot village. I didn't see another Liffey Valley bound 40 until Thomas Street and guess what, it was two in a row there aswell!! From what I can see this is a daily occurance. Any frequent user I've talked to in Ballyfermot also says it's a "dreadful service".

thomasj

On the 39 heading home and I'm on one of the buses with working displays telling you where the next stop is. It works well but it only seems to be installed downstairs.

stop

Slightly OT, perhaps I am the last to notice, but was very pleased to see on D'Olier Street , Stops 335 (CJ) & 336 (CK) are being displayed on the one RTPI sign in between them!

No longer shall I fear 6ish RTPI poles added to the 6ish bus stop poles destroying the classical spacing between poles on Westmoreland St :pac::pac::pac:

stop

Has anyone noticed the 39a is terrible at bunching these days? Everytime I get it, southbound from city centreish, around the 1pm mark, I find it's a pair of buses every 30 mins

honru

stop wrote: »

Has anyone noticed the 39a is terrible at bunching these days? Everytime I get it, southbound from city centreish, around the 1pm mark, I find it's a pair of buses every 30 mins

Yes, it happens fairly regularly in my experience.

I'm still waiting for the 79/27b merger. At least I won't have to change buses in the city centre after dark, that's been uncomfortable on several occasions.

CIE

stop wrote: »

Has anyone noticed the 39a is terrible at bunching these days? Everytime I get it, southbound from city centreish, around the 1pm mark, I find it's a pair of buses every 30 mins

Hmm. History repeats itself.

dublinman1990

I have seen on rtpi.ie two routes in Blackrock that are not meant to be there just yet, the 84 and 84A. I am thinking that is just a error on the website.

Is there any more announcements coming up about the network direct changes either on Friday of this week or next week about the 45/84 merger?

The_Wrecker

dublinman1990 wrote: »

I have seen on rtpi.ie two routes in Blackrock that are not meant to be there just yet, the 84 and 84A. I am thinking that is just a error on the website.

Is there any more announcements coming up about the network direct changes either on Friday of this week or next week about the 45/84 merger?

Last Sunday of the month.

dublinman1990

There were more changes announced this evening for routes 17a and 123 for the 27th of May.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/17a-Revised-Times/

(^This is another route that had it's timetable frequency changed twice)

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/1231/


This could be a sign of more changes to come.

dublinman1990

Oh mother of Sweet Jesus; I was probably not expecting this for the 84/a to go as far as Temple Road in Blackrock. The changes to the 45, 45a, 84 and 84x are up right now.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/84-1/#


The rest of them are as expected IMO.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/45a1/

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/84x-Revised-Times/


http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/General-News/Changes-to-Routes-45-45a-84-and-84x/

calex71

Only found out the 16a was axed this morning when I was stood like a fool at the stop waiting on it, I only take it one morning a week or 2 evenings when I'm at college and never heard or saw anything about it being cut, only reason I'm not still stood there is because I over heard two old dears complain about having to get the 75 to the church and then wait on the 16 there :mad:

Not a massive deal to me I have 2 good legs to either go to a stop for the 16 on the grange rd or over to the stops for the 14/14a to get to town...... unless that changes the 14 buses too?????? Best go check that. Lot of elderly people on the 16a route will be put out but this I'd think. From my experience the 16a was usually busy enough to justify it's service heading to town but was pretty empty by the time it gets to nutgrove on the way back, I was often the only one left on it at various times so a strange one.

qerty

The 14/a routes were changed last September? The changes are always advertised on the Dublin Bus website/Twitter/Facebook and there are leaflet drops done and I often see people on the affected routes handing out flyers.

calex71

qerty wrote: »

The 14/a routes were changed last September? The changes are always advertised on the Dublin Bus website/Twitter/Facebook and there are leaflet drops done and I often see people on the affected routes handing out flyers.

Ah good I knew about those 14/a changes just worried they changed again. Realistically though, personally I would never check the dublin bus site unless I wanted info for a route I wasn't familiar with, and certainly wouldn't follow them on twitter or facebook, nor would the old dears I mentioned though they would be better informed than me all the same I bet

We did get a leaflet for the 14 changes last year, not this time for the 16a , really though the place to advertise a change like this is on the bus itself !!! sure I wouldn't even check or even the timetable at the bus shelter if it's a time I get the bus regularly........ had I actually done so this morning though I might not have been stood there for so long becasue there actually was a notice there

stop

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Oh mother of Sweet Jesus; I was probably not expecting this for the 84/a to go as far as Temple Road in Blackrock. The changes to the 45, 45a, 84 and 84x are up right now.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/84-1/#


The rest of them are as expected IMO.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/45a1/

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/84x-Revised-Times/


http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/General-News/Changes-to-Routes-45-45a-84-and-84x/

Maps not working.

honru

stop wrote: »

Maps not working.

They won't work until the new route is operating.

Aard

@Calex71
The 14a no longer exists. But imo the revamped 14 is an alright service. I don't think it's any worse at any rate!

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Wrt the 16a, I can understand why they've axed it as it's usually empty by Rathfarnham village, sometimes even Terenure. Few would get it all the way to Churchtown. When the 75's route is straightened out, there'll be a link between Rathfarnham (SC & village), Nutgrove, Churchtown, and Dundrum (Luas & village). I have a feeling it will become more popular then.

LXFlyer

To be fair there are far more people using the 16 south of the Nutgrove Avenue/Grange Road junction than ever used the 16a between that point and the Nutgrove Avenue terminus and for years they have been deprived a decent level of service.

Nutgrove still has:
2 x 17 per hour
2 x 75 per hour
1 x 61 per hour

And that is off-peak!!!

This is one decision that I think DB have got right.

markpb

lxflyer wrote: »

Nutgrove still has:
2 x 17 per hour
2 x 75 per hour
1 x 61 per hour

And that is off-peak!!!

I'm not arguing with you on the level of service but you can't compare a an arterial route with a two orbital routes - they don't go in the same direction!

Dub13

markpb wrote: »

I'm not arguing with you on the level of service but you can't compare a an arterial route with a two orbital routes - they don't go in the same direction!

But with the 16 now been a high frequency route with busses up every 5 min they will never be left long for the connection.

LXFlyer

markpb wrote: »

I'm not arguing with you on the level of service but you can't compare a an arterial route with a two orbital routes - they don't go in the same direction!

They all connect with both the 15b and 16 in Rathfarnham for onward journeys, and the 17 itself covers the journey that many people made to/from Terenure.

The 61 provides an hourly direct service to/from the city centre.

People frankly want to have their cake and eat it - if people don't use the service in numbers, while others who do use it are being deprived a decent service, then I have limited sympathy for those who moan about it.

calex71

lxflyer wrote: »

To be fair there are far more people using the 16 south of the Nutgrove Avenue/Grange Road junction than ever used the 16a between that point and the Nutgrove Avenue terminus and for years they have been deprived a decent level of service.

Nutgrove still has:
2 x 17 per hour
2 x 75 per hour
1 x 61 per hour

And that is off-peak!!!

This is one decision that I think DB have got right.

my legs would argue with you on that after the 25 minute walk to a 16 bus stop, as I'll need to use that to get to where I need to go week nights while I'm going to classes

Also there are a too many stops too close together between terenure and harrolds x, they could do with losing a few of them, theres a couple where you would be pushed to walk between in any longer than 2 minutes.

Plus there would be the added cost of using a 75 or 17 to connect with the other bus

LXFlyer

Well firstly where are you going to?

Your journey is not going to cost more if you use a Travel 90 10 Journey ticket - the total cost would be €2.15 despite transferring buses.

People need to become smarter about how they get around the city.