[Heritage] ITG: 141 Farewell and A39 Launch. Who is going?

Run_to_da_hills

Irish Traction Society are having a double run this weekend, the first on Saturday 6th 141 Class Farewell Rail tour" and "The A39 Launch" on Sunday 7th, Whose going?

I won't make the Saturday run but will hopefully find my way up to the A39 Launch at Downpatrick on Sumday.



Dose anyone know what locos they are using for the 141 class run? I gather they won't be getting those two recently restored locos from the RPSI.

http://www.irishtractiongroup.com/next_railtour.htm

Captain Chaos

I heard that the ITG got dibs on 146 after its withdrawn, don't know how true that is but it could be that.

Judgement Day

Life's too short but whoever's going don't forget I'll be expecting plenty of Dromod pics here.

Run_to_da_hills

Judgement Day wrote: »

Life's too short but whoever's going don't forget I'll be expecting plenty of Dromod pics here.

SonyEricsson W995 8.2mp cam.

I'm going to both. Never received my tickets but I phoned the ITG who confirmed they did send them so they said to turn up anyway. Hope I'm let through. I've got a 12.1 MP Sony DSC-W200, will most likely be bringing it.

Cookie_Monster

I imagine they'll get whatever 141's IE will sign off as safe, after the last few weeks issues. 146 is a good bet.

Judgement Day

Is poor old 175 still about? I had her on the North Kerry weedsprayer in 198x (?) and she is seen below approaching Tralee (Edward St. LC) from the North Kerry yard.

lord lucan

Looks like an 071 is working tomorrows tour lads.

Judgement Day

lord lucan wrote: »

Looks like an 071 is working tomorrows tour lads.

That's par for the course I suppose, better than a 2600 class railcar at least.

lord lucan

Judgement Day wrote: »

That's par for the course I suppose, better than a 2600 class railcar at least.

Very true.:)

Apparently it was only a late decision this afternoon. I can only assume IE weren't happy to let the baby GM's back out on the network.

Captain Chaos

Judgement Day wrote: »

Is poor old 175 still about?

It was brought into Inchicore on Monday along with 146,152 and 177. They are still all there as far as I know. What happens to them now is anyones guess.

Captain Chaos

lord lucan wrote: »

Very true.:)

Apparently it was only a late decision this afternoon. I can only assume IE weren't happy to let the baby GM's back out on the network.

144 is still hanging in there as the Connolly and North Wall pilot loco and it did a DART transfer during the week. Bringing the long lost LHB set 81/8333 back home to Fairview.

Judgement Day

How come the RPSI pair can't be used again or would that be stretching the imagination too much?

DWCommuter

There's more to this withdrawal of preferred locos than you realise.;)

lord lucan

Judgement Day wrote: »

How come the RPSI pair can't be used again or would that be stretching the imagination too much?

As such they're the RPSI's property,i assume the ITG wanted to do the tour with the last working IE 141's including the one they're 'taking'. I'd say it's too late anyways to ask and you'd also have a near replica of the RPSI's tour which wouldn't have drawn many punters in who had been on that one.

Captain Chaos

Judgement Day wrote: »

How come the RPSI pair can't be used again or would that be stretching the imagination too much?

B141 has actually been used by IE since the RPSI tour. It was used on a North Wall to Inchicore wagon transfer with at least 1 tara wagon and one or two other types. Just goes to show you really.

Judgement Day

DWCommuter wrote: »

There's more to this withdrawal of preferred locos than you realise.;)

Are you suggesting that the hand of God may be involved?

lord lucan

Captain Chaos wrote: »

B141 has actually been used by IE since the RPSI tour. It was used on a North Wall to Inchicore wagon transfer with at least 1 tara wagon and one or two other types. Just goes to show you really.

Didn't know that,you really do learn something new every day.:)

I understood it to be that both locos had passed into RPSI ownership and were due to head to Whitehead shortly.

Captain Chaos

Yeah, it was like last year when 141 was handed over and the Malahide viaduct failed, IE kept 141 going with a bit of work. It must be in good nick so.

DWCommuter

Judgement Day wrote: »

Are you suggesting that the hand of God may be involved?

Would I?;)

Tescoboat52

DWCommuter wrote: »

There's more to this withdrawal of preferred locos than you realise.;)

What do you mean? It said somewhere on the web it was to do with a problem with 152's brakes or something.

shamwari

Tescoboat52 wrote: »

What do you mean? It said somewhere on the web it was to do with a problem with 152's brakes or something.

Yep, there were brake problems with some of the remaining BoBo's. Recently, there was a spad or two, and apparently CME top brass were not prepared to take any risks in case there were repeats. As unfortunate as it is, this decision is entirely correct under the circumstances.

DWCommuter

Tescoboat52 wrote: »

What do you mean? It said somewhere on the web it was to do with a problem with 152's brakes or something.

Believe what you want. Im sure the real story will explode sooner or later. At this moment in time, its not for me to divulge in detail. But its not a technical issue.

lord lucan

DWCommuter wrote: »

Believe what you want. Im sure the real story will explode sooner or later. At this moment in time, its not for me to divulge in detail. But its not a technical issue.

They're orange and black,don't fit in with the new shiny IE image!!:p

Tescoboat52

lord lucan wrote: »

They're orange and black,don't fit in with the new shiny IE image!!:p

Well they are 40+ years old I suppose. I suppose it makes sense if they have enough 071s to do work.

Tescoboat52

DWCommuter wrote: »

Believe what you want. Im sure the real story will explode sooner or later. At this moment in time, its not for me to divulge in detail. But its not a technical issue.

Is there really another reason for the withdrawl?

DWCommuter

Tescoboat52 wrote: »

Is there really another reason for the withdrawl?

I have been told on good authority that there is and Im genuinely not trying to start any kind of conspiracy theories.

I just received a phone call from the ITG regarding the tour. 146 and 171 were being prepped for the tour but the CME decided not to release them. So it is indeed going to be 071 hauled.

Tescoboat52

DWCommuter wrote: »

I have been told on good authority that there is and Im genuinely not trying to start any kind of conspiracy theories.

Ok. Its just sometimes when you see an omnious statement such as there being another reason for something you wonder if it was true wouldn't they say what it was. But you seem genuine about it though so ok. Anyway surely old locos would be withdrawn sooner or later. The A class were withdrawn at 40 when the new 201 type came in. So it makes sense that the 141 type would be withdrawn with all 22000 and spare 071 type around.

DWCommuter

Karsini wrote: »

I just received a phone call from the ITG regarding the tour. 146 and 171 were being prepped for the tour but the CME decided not to release them. So it is indeed going to be 071 hauled.

And the CME isn't even in the country at the moment.

Judgement Day

Surely the power of the church hasn't taken control at Inchicore while the boss is away.....?

22.15 - No you were right DW - just heard from the horse's mouth divine intervention at work.

Also just heard that some of the mothballed 201's may be destined for the Holy Land or nearby....

alpha2zulu

Judgement Day wrote: »

Also just heard that some of the mothballed 201's may be destined for the Holy Land or nearby....

Surely not??:D

Iran on track with 'help' of Irish Rail

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/iran-on-track-with-help-of-irish-rail-1767781.html

dowlingm

Judgement Day wrote: »

Surely the power of the church hasn't taken control at Inchicore while the boss is away.....?

22.15 - No you were right DW - just heard from the horse's mouth divine intervention at work.

Also just heard that some of the mothballed 201's may be destined for the Holy Land or nearby....

Wot? Downpatrick? :D:D If you mean the other Holy Land, the Israelis are talking about whacking out some cash for rail but no specifics on rolling stock.

DWCommuter

Judgement Day wrote: »

Surely22.15 - No you were right DW - just heard from the horse's mouth divine intervention at work.

I always thought the enthusiast side of things was free from the political aspects in the Inchicore shrine. But it seems that the senior gricers are even more scheming than I could ever be.

"Trainspotters at War":D

With the toys running out of time, competition is fierce and and the turf war is in full flow. Childish and sad are two words that come to mind.

Judgement Day

dowlingm wrote: »

Wot? Downpatrick? :D:D If you mean the other Holy Land, the Israelis are talking about whacking out some cash for rail but no specifics on rolling stock.

Spot on from what I hear!

And a little bird tells me that GSRPS (Mallow MarkII) may shortly be arriving at Charleville/Rathluric - leave them off!

Tescoboat52

Seriously, why would the church be concerned with railway locomotives? I think its a bit too much to say they had an influence in the withdrawl of the 141 class.

Judgement Day

Tescoboat52 wrote: »

Seriously, why would the church be concerned with railway locomotives? I think its a bit too much to say they had an influence in the withdrawl of the 141 class.

Ah, the innocence of youth!

Tescoboat52

Judgement Day wrote: »

Ah, the innocence of youth!

I'm not that young. It just seems a bit silly to say that the church had influence over such a thing.

DWCommuter

Tescoboat52 wrote: »

I'm not that young. It just seems a bit silly to say that the church had influence over such a thing.

You are either trying to tease us out for detailed info or you havent a clue what we are referencing. We are talking about the railtour fiasco, not the general withdrawal of these locos.

I forgive you for both.:D

Tescoboat52

DWCommuter wrote: »

You are either trying to tease us out for detailed info or you havent a clue what we are referencing. We are talking about the railtour fiasco, not the general withdrawal of these locos.

I forgive you for both.:D

Thank you for your forgiveness but if you're saying the church wants rail engines withdrawn then no I don't have a clue what you mean. I wouldn't say many do!!! No offence meant though.

DWCommuter

Judgement Day wrote: »

And a little bird tells me that GSRPS (Mallow MarkII) may shortly be arriving at Charleville/Rathluric - leave them off!

Well maybe they can actually shoot the Cheese commercial there next time instead of the UK.:D

DWCommuter

Tescoboat52 wrote: »

Thank you for your forgiveness but if you're saying the church wants rail engines withdrawn then no I don't have a clue what you mean. I wouldn't say many do!!! No offence meant though.

I corrected my original post. I am not talking about the general withdrawal of these locos. Im talking about their withdrawal from this railtour. "Divine intervention" appears to be responsible for this tour having its original locos withdrawn.

Tescoboat52

DWCommuter wrote: »

I corrected my original post. I am not talking about the general withdrawal of these locos. Im talking about their withdrawal from this railtour. "Divine intervention" appears to be responsible for this tour having its original locos withdrawn.

Ok so its not the general loco withdrawl, but it doesn't make sense that the Church would withdraw them from a railtour either.

Its strange that I even have to say that!

DWCommuter

Tescoboat52 wrote: »

Ok so its not the general loco withdrawl, but it doesn't make sense that the Church would withdraw them from a railtour either.

Its strange that I even have to say that!

We'll leave it at that. You either "get" the reference or you don't. Regrettably I can't explain it for you. Apologies.

Rud

although it was clearly out of the hands of the ITG and all concerned with the tour i am still sick to my stomach after hearing that IE have withdrawn the locos from the tour especially after missing out on the last RPSI 141 tour few weeks back.could 144 and maybe another 141 loco have been placed on the tour and replace 144 at the back of connolly for the day with a 071 maybe?it just seems strange that IE would pull out the locos at pretty much the last minute

Captain Chaos

144 could be restricted to shunting and rolling stock transfers between Connolly/NorthWall/Fairview and Inchicore. A good few of the 141s and 181s ended up like that in their last days.

But in saying that it went to Belfast a few weeks ago to collect a Mk3 gen van and bring it back to Inchicore.

Depends how effective, this sudden sickness among all the 141s really is.

dowlingm

The latest IRRS journal excerpts have been posted - the reason given for 1x1 withdrawal is that they don't have event recorders fitted.

http://www.irrs.ie/Journal%20171/171%20Rolling%20Stock.htm

Hungerford

dowlingm wrote: »

The latest IRRS journal excerpts have been posted - the reason given for 1x1 withdrawal is that they don't have event recorders fitted.

That shouldn't be a reason for the cancelling of a once-off railtour. This sudden 141-class sickness is mysterious, perhaps Tricky Dicky has already booked an appointment for them with the scrapman? :rolleyes:

That said this is the most concerning piece of text:
It is anticipated that there will be a fleet of twenty push-pull fitted 201-class locomotives kept in regular service.

So IE is expecting to dispose of over a dozen modern locomotives which the taxpayer paid handsomely for less than 20 years ago?

Judgement Day

Hungerford wrote: »

That shouldn't be a reason for the cancelling of a once-off railtour. This sudden 141-class sickness is mysterious, perhaps Tricky Dicky has already booked an appointment for them with the scrapman? :rolleyes:

That said this is the most concerning piece of text:
It is anticipated that there will be a fleet of twenty push-pull fitted 201-class locomotives kept in regular service.

So IE is expecting to dispose of over a dozen modern locomotives which the taxpayer paid handsomely for less than 20 years ago?

See post #31.

Hungerford

Judgement Day wrote: »

See post #31.

That piece refers to electrification though and the last time I checked the 201-class were diesel-powered. That said, maybe the power of the church can be harnessed to work a miracle. After all, it smited the ITG's railtour.

I'm just back from the tour. Despite the change in motive power it was still a fantastic day... except for that nasty fecker at Mullingar in the morning who locked the gates while we were over on the other platform. Was especially interesting for me as it was my first time on the RPSI set.