*Limerick GAA news/discussion thread*

glasagusban

Thinkstoomuch, that's a very long post, I normally agree with most of what you post but I disagree with pretty much all of that.

Sam Jam

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Your view defines all what wrongs in limerick


Just turn up day,hope it clicks


You have any idea what it takes tactically to win an all ireland and training wise


You really show your hurling punditry skills when zou dismiss clare as being average same as limerick



Clares touch and speed miles ahead limerick and o grady working towards that.


I say you never watched clare train ul north campus jan to april,you did you would clearly see why they won it and why limerick if tj stays wont be in an asses roar of a munster not to mind all ireland



He would struggle to win a waterford crystal


But hey ,ye may get lucky in 4 games and go all the way.

Sorry for having an opinion about my own counties hurling fortunes. Thanks for putting me straight on this. We need more Cork people telling us what to do. Good man.

Rightwing

Sam Jam wrote: »

Sorry for having an opinion about my own counties hurling fortunes. Thanks for putting me straight on this. We need more Cork people telling us what to do. Good man.

Tom Ryan would do a good job, I think TJ needs to be shown the door asap.

thinkstoomuch1

Rightwing wrote: »

Donal O Grady has disgraced himself. Stay retired FFS.

Now, over to the county board, resign. You lot are a total embarrassment.

How has he?

He simply refused to apologise and be undermine by lads in suit and ties that wouldnt recognise a sliothar from tennis ball if hit them on the nose and bounced back up and slapped them in the arse


Hes trying to change a game plan


Should waited til june t. Judge


Donal og has came out standing as tall as he ever did,even better takes no sh*t lads havent got clue re the game


Its ist time he walked out.
This limerick 4th huring management fiacaso ,who do you think seriously looks worse


O grady doesnt need earn hes cord.Been there done that player manager


Limerick board are the ones that have to justify there actions


O grady wont loose a wink sleep over it


Limerick are ,a joke ,i hate to say it

Yere top table messed with wrong lad


He was dead right ,told them where to go


You either got pride,principle or you dont


He has it.

O grady is far from disgrace.He would be taken any county in the morn


Yere the team no ones wants now


Oh wait ,tom ryan,tj ryan ,ciaran carey and davie moriaty trainer


And limerick board run to the leader,like fai with stan the man and the late bobby robson(rip)as world class management,and say we got best management in the country


Ye fool no ones but yerselves


Well done donal

thinkstoomuch1

Rightwing wrote: »

Tom Ryan would do a good job, I think TJ needs to be shown the door asap.

Sweet jesus

Good wont win all irelands

Ye wanted an all ireland I thought


A man that made a balls of newtown,year later went to win all ireland


He lost every club ,senior all ireland manager


Clare u21 tear ye new one
Unreal ,tom ryan.Good luck with him

Rightwing

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

How has he?

He simply refused to apologise and be undermine by lads in suit and ties that wouldnt recognise a sliothar from tennis ball if hit them on the nose and bounced back up and slapped them in the arse


Hes trying to change a game plan


Should waited til june t. Judge


Donal og has came out standing as tall as he ever did,even better takes no sh*t lads havent got clue re the game


Its ist time he walked out.
This limerick 4th huring management fiacaso ,who do you think seriously looks worse


O grady doesnt need earn hes cord.Been there done that player manager


Limerick board are the ones that have to justify there actions


O grady wont loose a wink sleep over it


Limerick are ,a joke ,i hate to say it

Yere top table messed with wrong lad


He was dead right ,told them where to go


You either got pride,principle or you dont


He has it.

O grady is far from disgrace.He would be taken any county in the morn


Yere the team no ones wants now


Oh wait ,tom ryan,tj ryan ,ciaran carey and davie moriaty trainer


And limerick board run to the leader,like fai with stan the man and the late bobby robson(rip)as world class management,and say we got best management in the country


Ye fool no ones but yerselves


Well done donal

If he wasn't able for the job, he shouldn't have taken it. That's the bottom line, anything else is searching for excuses.

Sam Jam

Rightwing wrote: »

Tom Ryan would do a good job, I think TJ needs to be shown the door asap.

Shame to be hounding people but from the off I thought he was a joke candidate and when O'Grady appeared as his partner I couldn't believe it particularly after he shyte himself in 11 and walked.
Things must move very quickly now to get a team firing properly for June 1st. A Tom Ryan /Bennis type who could command instant respect. Regretfully I couldn't see it happen with all Tom has said in the past the board would never entertain him. It was the fault of the players Bennis got the boot.
Ciaran Carey or Kirby should get it now I think. TJ is going to have to say his goodbyes to the seniors for now and leave the stage today to maintain any integrity. If he doesn't I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt to take the reigns seeing as we're so close to Championship. I rather see Carey in there instantly though as in tomorrow morning.

It's a bit of a mess but I can still see the lads stomping over any opposition this year if their attitude is right. Plenty of A v B games in training, plenty of them.

Rightwing

Sam Jam wrote: »

Shame to be hounding people but from the off I thought he was a joke candidate and when O'Grady appeared as his partner I couldn't believe it particularly after he shyte himself in 11 and walked.
Things must move very quickly now to get a team firing properly for June 1st. A Tom Ryan /Bennis type who could command instant respect. Regretfully I couldn't see it happen with all Tom has said in the past the board would never entertain him. It was the fault of the players Bennis got the boot.
Ciaran Carey or Kirby should get it now I think. TJ is going to have to say his goodbyes to the seniors for now and leave the stage today to maintain any integrity. If he doesn't I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt to take the reigns seeing as we're so close to Championship. I rather see Carey in there instantly though as in tomorrow morning.

It's a bit of a mess but I can still see the lads stomping over any opposition this year if their attitude is right. Plenty of A v B games in training, plenty of them.

I never liked the look of that partnership. O Grady has proven himself to be a quitter after a disastrous league campaign. He has fooled no one, his reputation is in tatters. Well maybe he fooled 1 poster.

TJ, what has he ever done to have even been considered ?

County board needs to go. They are a joke. No one should take the job whilst they are in charge.

thinkstoomuch1

Sam Jam wrote: »

Sorry for having an opinion about my own counties hurling fortunes. Thanks for putting me straight on this. We need more Cork people telling us what to do. Good man.

Absoultey ,cork men ye need

Our record speaks itself


Your a wonderfually knowedable poster,you know this already yeah


That 3 u21 all irelands row,dave keane cork man


Fergal lyons cork man with ard scoil



Dave boylan with na piarsaigh cork man


Ned english ,drom broaford munster club title cork man


Do you want more please?


Jerry wallis rechanged yere whole u16 etc development squads to minor


Go ul sat morn,my dear good man and you see what cork man bring


You with respect shoot from the hip and havent got a clue real goings on in limerick



And yes ,as you say lets not panic limerick

We have luck against tipp,and wait we get lucky 3 m6re times


Ffs would you get real

Laois hurlers put two hard days im told ul the weekend.stayed overnight.

Trained gym then astro turf


Ger cunningham ul and pat flangan(kerry coach and waterford ,tipp u21footballers,

They yes laois had a video anaylist there also like they done all year


Do you think and there not even all ireland contenders they rely on luck


They dont believe such sh*t

They prepare well ,as fail to prepare,prepare to fail


I admire your happy go lucky fairtale view but that wont win limerick anything

That view be frowned upon in munster rubgy


Should be in gaa

Thats why yere gaa teams are poor relations senior

Theres a optimist,pessimist and a realist


Optisim you have is so far out of touch with reality in that limerick just need to click.

francozola

Haven't read much of the posts but here are my thoughts on the events.

9 weeks between Allen stepping down and the joint management being appointed. We know the County Board had reservations about TJ/DOG in tandem and if they allowed Ger Cunningham to pick his own staff he would be manager.
When the management was proposed - not one question was asked from the floor. I would have had dozens of questions re the set up. The delegates had the chance to query the appointment but not for the first time they stayed quiet.
Talking to players around the same time, they were wondering if they were going on a team holiday as a reward for winning Munster. That still hasn't been sorted out.

The warning signs were there in the Waterford Crystal, Clare were miles ahead in terms of skill, speed and strength.
The last 50 minutes against Cork were probably the best of Limerick we'll see this year.
The team lost its shape badly against Wexford & Galway in the second half of both matches.
The short game broke down far too often even against Antrim.
We've heard rumours of discontent in the camp most of which is true.
DOG didn't seem motivated or interested in doing his job on the sideline.

The County Board also seem obnoxious and oblivious to how much work went into winning that Munster last year. Instead of rewarding the players & management (as pointed out above) and key personal members - Ger O'Connell and Joe Hannon; they instead rewarded themselves. I've heard that Morrissey, Mann and Riordan got commemorative watches for winning Munster.

Who do I like to see in charge? My first choice was Brian Ryan last winter but he was always going to stay as minor manager.
I think he will be Limerick's manager next year. As for now, maybe Richie Bennis can come back But I think Cregan would be the best option. Limerick need to go back to basics and if they can do that they build and reach a Quarter final.

Martin Kiely's column should be fun this week :pac:

Sam Jam

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Absoultey ,cork men ye need

Our record speaks itself


Your a wonderfually knowedable poster,you know this already yeah


That 3 u21 all irelands row,dave keane cork man


Fergal lyons cork man with ard scoil



Dave boylan with na piarsaigh cork man


Ned english ,drom broaford munster club title cork man


Do you want more please?


Jerry wallis rechanged yere whole u16 etc development squads to minor


Go ul sat morn,my dear good man and you see what cork man bring


You with respect shoot from the hip and havent got a clue real goings on in limerick



And yes ,as you say lets not panic limerick

We have luck against tipp,and wait we get lucky 3 m6re times


Ffs would you get real

Laois hurlers put two hard days im told ul the weekend.stayed overnight.

Trained gym then astro turf


Ger cunningham ul and pat flangan(kerry coach and waterford ,tipp u21footballers,

They yes laois had a video anaylist there also like they done all year


Do you think and there not even all ireland contenders they rely on luck


They dont believe such sh*t

They prepare well ,as fail to prepare,prepare to fail


I admire your happy go lucky fairtale view but that wont win limerick anything

That view be frowned upon in munster rubgy


Should be in gaa

Thats why yere gaa teams are poor relations senior

Theres a optimist,pessimist and a realist


Optisim you have is so far out of touch with reality in that limerick just need to click.

Thanks mate. I wouldn't know anything if it wasn't for you.

thinkstoomuch1

Gary kirby ,it just gets better


Ul u ucc freshers,i there I posted match report


He was nearly beaten tactically

Carlow beat them in final

Done good point,but way of intercounty
Go to match watch him


You are just way of.A v b training games.Limerick struggle to put 18 great players out so a v b is jack sh*tagainst poor panel players.How do you get real intenstiy


What tom ryan do??play limerick intermediates ,week in challenge before tipp

Then go paper,were flying in training hoping of the ground.

I look forward to your views post tipp match


A lot of realistic fans here know there beef.They wont agree your optisim

thinkstoomuch1

Gary kirby ,it just gets better


Ul u ucc freshers,i there I posted match report


He was nearly beaten tactically

Carlow beat them in final

Done good point,but way of intercounty
Go to match watch him


You are just way of.A v b training games.Limerick struggle to put 18 great players out so a v b is jack sh*tagainst poor panel players.How do you get real intenstiy


What tom ryan do??play limerick intermediates ,week in challenge before tipp

Then go paper,were flying in training hoping of the ground.

I look forward to your views post tipp match


A lot of realistic fans here know there beef.They wont agree your optisim

Fireball07

There's an emergency county board meeting tonight as far as I know.


This is primarily their fault, and pressure shoulld be put on them to resign tonight. But will that do any good? If the top table go, who replaces them? More of the same, I'd imagine. Are we ever going to have a county board without political motivations who can do what's best for Limerick GAA, both hurling and football. I'd say that's hard in any county, but particularly here where that kind of culture has gone on for so long. Still though, after fcuking up so badly, surely they have to go.


Realistically, this was a disaster of a league campaign. Donal O'Grady has previously been a great manager and TJ is Limerick through-and-through; but they fcuked up badly aswell. Not only was there a stark refusal to try certain players despite it being an almost desperate need, there was a real inability to change things/react on the sideline not to mention persisting with tactics that didn't work. I'm not talking about short passing, there is nothing wrong with that; but movement off the ball, runners off the shoulder, not handpassing when you're surrounded by 3 men..... basic stuff that just wasn't there.


You'd have to question O'Grady's motivation, we all know he's getting paid quite a bit, but did he really want to do it? And then getting into disputes with some of our top players..... it didn't happen in 2011 anyway. So yeah, I would wonder how motivated he was... and people are right, it's not 2003/2004 anymore.


I think Carey will end up in charge, he's the only one who will be offered the job that will take it. I'm not sure the time is right for him, but we're desperate at this stage. If he can convince maybe one top class coach to join him, maybe we can salvage something. Maybe.

Rightwing

No more fookin cork managers, it started with justin mccarthy :rolleyes: FFS, who gave him a job.

Bottom line is, county board are responsible for taking on people who are clearly out of their depth. They need to go as well. Get professionals in.

Sam Jam

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Gary kirby ,it just gets better


Ul u ucc freshers,i there I posted match report


He was nearly beaten tactically

Carlow beat them in final

Done good point,but way of intercounty
Go to match watch him


You are just way of.A v b training games.Limerick struggle to put 18 great players out so a v b is jack sh*tagainst poor panel players.How do you get real intenstiy


What tom ryan do??play limerick intermediates ,week in challenge before tipp

Then go paper,were flying in training hoping of the ground.

I look forward to your views post tipp match


A lot of realistic fans here know there beef.They wont agree your optisim

You're very flustered here thinkstoomuch1y. I'm very sorry that my views have you so disheveled. You're going to have to put me on ignore if this is the way I affect you.

thinkstoomuch1

Sam Jam wrote: »

Thanks mate. I wouldn't know anything if it wasn't for you.

Id certainly agree there

Only too glad to help mate

Fireball07

It doesn't matter where a manager is from, as long as they are both the right man for the job and willing to commit 100%.


Is Ciaran Carey the right man for the job? Maybe not... but who is at this stage? I would have loved to see the Limerick Ger Cunningham take the job, or the other Ger Cunningham. But the County Board fcuked that up too. If Jerry Wallis or Eamonn Cregan wanted it, I'd let them have it. But why would they?


At least we're not quite in the dire straits of 2010 yet, not much consolation, but there it is. The players are still united, the public are universally behind them, and the county board are the ones at fault.

glasagusban

Thinkstoomuch, enough with the big long posts. You are a fan of DOG, we get it. You are also fairly knowledgeable about hurling and I enjoy your posts. You have to accept though that some people will have a different opinion. I pointed out some fairly obvious failings of o'ogrady's management last time around when he was appointed. You could see a lot of the same this time around. People are split on whether he was right or wrong to walk. The county board were completely wrong, but O'Gradys reaction is petulant. He took his ball and went home like a little boy, and walked out on the players 6 weeks before championship.

In any event, I'm not convinced he's a loss. I don't expect us to do very well this year now, but then I didn't when he was there either.

thinkstoomuch1

Rightwing wrote: »

No more fookin cork managers, it started with justin mccarthy :rolleyes: FFS, who gave him a job.

Bottom line is, county board are responsible for taking on people who are clearly out of their depth. They need to go as well. Get professionals in.

Should wallis walk away from yer minors


Brian ryan is managememt in name only


Cregan and wallis run that show


Anyone in limerick can confirm that

Wallis u16 beat clare saturday


There isnt a player underage limericl he isnt aware of


Brian ryan has no credentials role


People should watch limerick minors train


Cregan and walLace are the main men

Jerry is hooking,blocking,ball work etc

Cregan tactial side

glasagusban

Fireball07 wrote: »

It doesn't matter where a manager is from, as long as they are both the right man for the job and willing to commit 100%.


Is Ciaran Carey the right man for the job? Maybe not... but who is at this stage? I would have loved to see the Limerick Ger Cunningham take the job, or the other Ger Cunningham. But the County Board fcuked that up too. If Jerry Wallis or Eamonn Cregan wanted it, I'd let them have it. But why would they?


At least we're not quite in the dire straits of 2010 yet, not much consolation, but there it is. The players are still united, the public are universally behind them, and the county board are the ones at fault.

Leave TJ and the three selectors in place. Nothing will be gained by replacing them. Source a coach if they need to but Lyons and Beary can do that job, they have strong experience. It is what it is now, move on and do the best for the year. A large clear the air session and a lot of input from the players should be taken and then get on with it.

Long term, Ciarán is the man. I'd like him to get two years with the 21s first, and he might need a good coach a la Kinnerk beside Davy Fitz, but he would be a fantastic manager.

Rightwing

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Should wallis walk away from yer minors


Brian ryan is managememt in name only


Cregan and wallis run that show


Anyone in limerick can confirm that

Wallis u16 beat clare saturday


There isnt a player underage limericl he isnt aware of


Brian ryan has no credentials role


People should watch limerick minors train


Cregan and walLace are the main men

Jerry is hooking,blocking,ball work etc

Cregan tactial side

Cork have fallen away massively. When did Cork even win a senior munster last? I can't remember cork minors doing much either. Cork isn't the place to be looking at imo.

Fact is we need to getting a manager from a county that is successful, there has to be someone in KK that's up to the job.

Fireball07

glasagusban wrote: »

Leave TJ and the three selectors in place. Nothing will be gained by replacing them. Source a coach if they need to but Lyons and Beary can do that job, they have strong experience. It is what it is now, move on and do the best for the year. A large clear the air session and a lot of input from the players should be taken and then get on with it.

Long term, Ciarán is the man. I'd like him to get two years with the 21s first, and he might need a good coach a la Kinnerk beside Davy Fitz, but he would be a fantastic manager.

Can TJ really stay on though after releasing a joint statement with O'Grady. From what I gather, it looks like he's only staying on until a new manager is appointed. I'd agree with keeping some continuity, but they definitely need a coach of some sort, it's a pity they didn't get Kinnerk himself.


We'll find out tonight presumably.

thinkstoomuch1

glasagusban wrote: »

Thinkstoomuch, enough with the big long posts. You are a fan of DOG, we get it. You are also fairly knowledgeable about hurling and I enjoy your posts. You have to accept though that some people will have a different opinion. I pointed out some fairly obvious failings of o'ogrady's management last time around when he was appointed. You could see a lot of the same this time around. People are split on whether he was right or wrong to walk. The county board were completely wrong, but O'Gradys reaction is petulant. He took his ball and went home like a little boy, and walked out on the players 6 weeks before championship.

In any event, I'm not convinced he's a loss. I don't expect us to do very well this year now, but then I didn't when he was there either.

Its not being a fan


I judge purely on hes skillset

What do u expect manager any backbone do when hes undermined

You walk

Cody would do the same
He was on a hiding to nothing

He stayed and they beat tipp,board run leader and say we are the reason it happened we threw the guntlet down


They lost,then they have record boys admiued they wrong in league



You judge manager in a season


Why by same values you judge o grady you rduse judge allen shambloic display last year in league f4nal and semi final


Again munster was flawed

Two home wins ,ye cant say would beat cork 15


What game plan u want


Possesion game only way you beat clare


Tom ryan has a poor all ireland wi6ing record


Brian ryan has nothing at all


Carey is unknown

Tj isnt up to it

Leo o connor mayo ,doing well castretroy u15 hardly up to this level

Ger c wont leave laois

Shane fitzgibbon be yere best hope and ger is with adare I believe also


Again wont leave laois

Sheedy wont go near ye

Ger c cork wont touch it


Cusack wont

Yere in dire starits complete shambkes

thinkstoomuch1

Again cork like ye,politcs plays a part


Wallis,o grady proven men top level

My question is should in your viem wallis leave minors and how do you rate him ,as people fast enought to laud him yewin all ireland


So how do you rate wallis as coach ???

Cork won munstes 2006,irrel vant to this as again o grady and wallis proven


Walsh ,gerald mac two manager since cork,noboddy mentioned them.Dont dag argument of in tangent you cant answer? Asked


Jbm is manaper now ,nobody said he is limerick man

Cunninghan and cusack were ideal for ye


Even gerald mac or denis walsh wouldnt go to ye now


Cork coaches ,and ye particulary fan of allen,he won munster yere quick to point out .Ye change tack all of a sudden


Dave keane best u21 coach ye had 3 in a row still to be done ,and he was senior man and again board shafted him


Cork coaches in general done well


Yes justin shouldnt got job but ye have done great cork coaches


Ask any limerick parent,there univesal praise wallace


Every sat he training future limerick,the goes back to cork .Yore way of to say cork mangers ye dont want


If wallis left yere minors forget bout an all ireland


Some of the disrespect for cork he couldnt be blamed to walk away

Rightwing

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Again cork like ye,politcs plays a part


Wallis,o grady proven men top level

My question is should in your viem wallis leave minors and how do you rate him ,as people fast enought to laud him yewin all ireland


So how do you rate wallis as coach ???

Cork won munstes 2006,irrel vant to this as again o grady and wallis proven


Walsh ,gerald mac two manager since cork,noboddy mentioned them.Dont dag argument of in tangent you cant answer? Asked


Jbm is manaper now ,nobody said he is limerick man

Cunninghan and cusack were ideal for ye


Even gerald mac or denis walsh wouldnt go to ye now


Cork coaches ,and ye particulary fan of allen,he won munster yere quick to point out .Ye change tack all of a sudden


Dave keane best u21 coach ye had 3 in a row still to be done ,and he was senior man and again board shafted him


Cork coaches in general done well


Yes justin shouldnt got job but ye have done great cork coaches


Ask any limerick parent,there univesal praise wallace


Every sat he training future limerick,the goes back to cork .Yore way of to say cork mangers ye dont want


If wallis left yere minors forget bout an all ireland


Some of the disrespect for cork he couldnt be blamed to walk away

Christ, I'd nearly have as a good a chance of understanding Chinese as this jumbled up stuff.

Hanalei

thinkstoomuch, just because a small minority of posters indicated a willingness to move away from Cork managers does not mean the county as a whole lacks respect for Cork, we haven't had a Limerick man in (sole) charge since 2008, some people are a bit tired of going to the same county over and over again; there's nothing personal meant by it so there really is no need to take offence to some comments and launch a repeated defence of all things Cork.

It irritates me to see you say things like "Some of the disrespect for cork he couldnt be blamed to walk away", that doesn't represent the opinion of people like myself who said he was right not to put up with the bullsh*t the Limerick county board threw his way recently. They bent over backwards trying to convince him to take the job and 5 months later they are using him as a pawn to massage their own idiotic ego's by washing dirty linen in public; throwing him into a pantomime.

There are plenty like myself who have never said a thing about Cork so I don't appreciate some of the generalisations you have made about my county in a bid to defend your county's honour. This isn't a Limerick V Cork thing; it's a Limerick thing.

thinkstoomuch1

Rightwing wrote: »

Christ, I'd nearly have as a good a chance of understanding Chinese as this jumbled up stuff.

You always know when a poster is rattled ,attacks my style


Id make it easy How do you rate Jerry wallis as coach


Be nice to koow where you stand

You lauded john allen last year as best thing since slice pan then was fast to change tact


Be consistent at least

thinkstoomuch1

Hanalei wrote: »

thinkstoomuch, just because a small minority of posters indicated a willingness to move away from Cork managers does not mean the county as a whole lacks respect for Cork, we haven't had a Limerick man in (sole) charge since 2008, some people are a bit tired of going to the same county over and over again; there's nothing personal meant by it so there really is no need to take offence to some comments and launch a repeated defence of all things Cork.

It irritates me to see you say things like "Some of the disrespect for cork he couldnt be blamed to walk away", that doesn't represent the opinion of people like myelf who said he was right not to put up with the bullsh*t the Limerick county board threw his way recently. They bent over backwards trying to convince him to take the job and 5 months later they are using him as a pawn to massage their own idiotic ego's by washing dirty linen in public; throwing him into a pantomime.

There are plenty like myself who have never said a thing about Cork so I don't appreciate some of the generalisations you have made about my county in a bid to defend your county's honour. This isn't a Limerick V Cork thing; it's a Limerick thing.

Fair point ,


Certainly be unfair to post ye all as same

just unfair that some blame it as were sick cork managers


Nothing do us ,its board problem


Its fair point you make
W

Rightwing

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

You always know when a poster is rattled ,attacks my style


Id make it easy How do you rate Jerry wallis as coach


Be nice to koow where you stand

You lauded john allen last year as best thing since slice pan then was fast to change tact


Be consistent at least

I agree with the above poster, no one here is anti cork.

Fact is I'd like to see them win something.

I didn't really rate Allen, I thought keeping Dowling/Downes on the bench was headless stuff. But I'll give him credit - he won something.

The minors are doing well, I don't know enough about Wallis to answer your question, but I've no problem with the minor setup.