[Heritage] RPSI 141 &142

Judgement Day · 25-02-2010 9:39pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

reading lord lucan link there have been a few recent issues that caused this, including brake problems. they were due to be retired soon enough anywya, no point spending a lot of time and money to repair them and rettire them a few months later.

48 years is a long service life, I'd hope they get the same out of the 071's and 201's. Some of the 201's have been mothballed already though

Maybe they were nearing retirement but there need not be the usual rush to scrap them! The use of 071 type locos for pilot duty, pw trains etc seems, to me, to be a waste of resources not to mention fuel. All I'm saying is that a private company (such as the SLNCR or CDRJC) would not have been so wasteful with money. There is no accountability in CIE - look at the mothballed 201s, the ongoing scrapping of MkIIIs - to be followed, no doubt, by the premature withdrawal and scrapping of the MkIVs. CIE ....Cash In Everything. :mad:

Run_to_da_hills · 25-02-2010 9:45pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Some of the 201's have been mothballed already though

Its called "early retirement", the A's would have long outlived them.

25-02-2010 9:50pm

I blame Dick Fearn for the 201 and Mk3 debacle. His intention seemed to be to eliminate locomotive hauled services regardless of cost or life expectancy of the existing rolling stock. I'm not trying to turn this into a loco vs railcar debate - I'm talking about wastage here. I do agree that the Cravens and Mk2s had to go, I wasn't particularly a fan of the former when in service, but lets face it - the Mk3s still had another 10 years at least.

And why are 34 year old 071s (of which, six have not received an overhaul in years) still in service while 15 year old 201s are rotting in Inchicore? Getting back to the 141s, I'd assume the lack of maintenance was becoming a safety hazard - it wasn't uncommon to see 141s running with brake pads worn down to the shoes.

Cookie_Monster · 25-02-2010 11:06pm

Judgement Day wrote: »

The use of 071 type locos for pilot duty, pw trains etc seems, to me, to be a waste of resources not to mention fuel. All I'm saying is that a private company (such as the SLNCR or CDRJC) would not have been so wasteful with money.

Don't forget the 181's

Karsini wrote: »

And why are 34 year old 071s (of which, six have not received an overhaul in years) still in service while 15 year old 201s are rotting in Inchicore?

Because 201's are railbreakers

25-02-2010 11:09pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Because 201's are railbreakers

Is that not due to poor track maintenance?

Run_to_da_hills · 25-02-2010 11:11pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Because 201's are railbreakers

There are still heaps of them being used in the UK, are their tracks any stronger?

They could always flog them off to Egypt.

Cookie_Monster · 25-02-2010 11:17pm

Karsini wrote: »

Is that not due to poor track maintenance?

partially but there are also some routes where the track bed is not rated to take their weight

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There are still heaps of them being used in the UK, are their tracks any stronger?

yes they (track bed & rails) are. I presume the gauge also affects it as the 66's are about 14 tonnes heavier. The "Sheds" are also standard across much of europe, exported as surplus from the UK

Judgement Day · 25-02-2010 11:18pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There are still heaps of them being used in the UK, are their tracks any stronger?

They could always flog them off to Egypt.

They should flog off all the fecking CIE managers to Egypt instead.

Which reminds me whatever happened to CIE Consult (?) a division of the company that use to send CIE engineers abroad to 'help' Third World countries.....probably also defunct like.......ohh time to take my medication!!!

lord lucan · 26-02-2010 1:39am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Don't forget the 181's

They've all been withdrawn.

Cookie_Monster · 26-02-2010 9:18am

lord lucan wrote: »

They've all been withdrawn.

All the more reason to not forget them then

Run_to_da_hills · 26-02-2010 9:32am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

partially but there are also some routes where the track bed is not rated to take their weight

yes they (track bed & rails) are. I presume the gauge also affects it as the 66's are about 14 tonnes heavier. The "Sheds" are also standard across much of europe, exported as surplus from the UK

Looking at them it looks as if IR were flogged off a load of rebadged surplus freight locomotives with slight cosmetic modifications to the roof.

Imcidently the 66 holds the world record for haulage, they can't be too bad.

lord lucan · 26-02-2010 12:39pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

All the more reason to not forget them then

The ITG have 190 down at Moyasta so they'll never be forgotten.:)

Judgement Day · 26-02-2010 1:03pm

lord lucan wrote: »

The ITG have 190 down at Moyasta so they'll never be forgotten.:)

Until the sea air takes care of it.

lord lucan · 26-02-2010 1:11pm

Judgement Day wrote: »

Until the sea air takes care of it.

Sad but true.:(

Cookie_Monster · 27-02-2010 12:18pm

Since you are unlikely to ever see it in real life

all 4 liveries together

It would be great if they preserved a 4th 141/181 and painted one in each of the liveries but can't see this happening since the two we've been rambling on about in this thread are alraedy the same colour

Run_to_da_hills · 27-02-2010 2:41pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Since you are unlikely to ever see it in real life
all 4 liveries together
It would be great if they preserved a 4th 141/181 and painted one in each of the liveries but can't see this happening since the two we've been rambling on about in this thread are alraedy the same colour

Any idea what colours ITG are going to paint their two locos?

It wouldnt make sense to have them black & Tan like the two 14X's that were sent up to IRPS last week.

Like with the A's it would be nice if the kept an A class in Supertrain livery for runs with the Mark 2"s

lord lucan · 27-02-2010 3:31pm

At the moment the ITG have 1 'A' Class in the older CIE Black & Tan livery,and the other in the Black with white trim.

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Run_to_da_hills · 27-02-2010 3:42pm

lord lucan wrote: »

At the moment the ITG have 1 'A' Class in the older CIE Black & Tan livery,and the other in the Black with white trim.

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Im hoping to see A39 running at Downpatrick next weekend

Captain Chaos · 27-02-2010 8:52pm

Just a heads up. There is reports going around that the 8 141s left in service are to be withdrawn from service on Monday morning. They did well hanging in on, they were all ment to be withdrawn on the 10th of Jan.

FlameoftheWest · 27-02-2010 8:54pm

Who is ITG?

Captain Chaos · 27-02-2010 8:55pm

FlameoftheWest wrote: »

Who is ITG?

The Irish Traction Group.

FlameoftheWest · 27-02-2010 8:59pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

The Irish Traction Group.

Thanks I will google their site.

27-02-2010 11:56pm

About the ITG, I'm not sure they have many options regarding repainting the locos. I've heard that the RPSI were not permitted to use the CIÉ "broken wheel" logo on the 141s - but this isn't really relevant as they didn't have the logo when new anyway. But I'd say they wouldn't be allowed to use the 1972 "Supertrain" livery either as it's very close to the current livery. I wonder could we see 124 outshopped as B124 in grey?

Cookie_Monster · 28-02-2010 12:44am

Karsini wrote: »

I wonder could we see 124 outshopped as B124 in grey?

apparently it will be.
someone in the know on another site this was the plan.

lord lucan · 28-02-2010 2:18am

Karsini wrote: »

About the ITG, I'm not sure they have many options regarding repainting the locos. I've heard that the RPSI were not permitted to use the CIÉ "broken wheel" logo on the 141s - but this isn't really relevant as they didn't have the logo when new anyway. But I'd say they wouldn't be allowed to use the 1972 "Supertrain" livery either as it's very close to the current livery. I wonder could we see 124 outshopped as B124 in grey?

I was never mad about the Grey and Yellow colour scheme the 121's started life in tbh. I think the livery it ended it's life on suits it best.

1960's Livery:http://eiretrains.com/Photo_Gallery/Irish%20Locos/121%20Class/slides/122%20(1).html

2009 Livery:http://eiretrains.com/Photo_Gallery/Irish%20Locos/121%20Class/slides/134%20(6).html

Judgement Day · 28-02-2010 11:58am

Oh No!!! I don't remember the 121's in their original livery but I would rather seem them running without any paint than in the awful 'toothpaste' livery. :eek:

Hungerford · 28-02-2010 1:45pm

Karsini wrote: »

And why are 34 year old 071s (of which, six have not received an overhaul in years) still in service while 15 year old 201s are rotting in Inchicore?

Don't worry - my informants indicate that Tricky Dicky shall soon be getting started on ridding Ireland of its 071 problem. The six unrefurbished ones are next up for the chop. Did anyone mention he hates locomotives?

corktina · 28-02-2010 3:01pm

What locos are actually still in service now then...cant be many?

Captain Chaos · 28-02-2010 3:07pm

corktina wrote: »

What locos are actually still in service now then...cant be many?

There is 8 141s left. Due to be withdrawn tomorrow. But we'll see.

144
146
152
175
177

Don't know the other 3.

All 071s are still on the go.

077 and 080 are acting up a bit.

Of the 201 class. 201-205 and 210-217 are all in storage at Inchicore works. The rest are all on the go.

215-217 are reportedly being prepared to return to service as the 071s are to replace the 141s on pilot and per way duties. But there is only really a need for 8-10 of the 071s as it is form day to day.

corktina · 28-02-2010 3:18pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

There is 8 141s left. Due to be withdrawn tomorrow. But we'll see.

144
146
152
175
177

Don't know the other 3.

All 071s are still on the go.

077 and 080 are acting up a bit.

Of the 201 class. 201-205 and 210-217 are all in storage at Inchicore works. The rest are all on the go.

215-217 are reportedly being prepared to return to service as the 071s are to replace the 141s on pilot and per way duties. But there is only really a need for 8-10 of the 071s as it is form day to day.

very bleak....i do like a nice loco...railways not as interesting when its all fixed formation units (inc mk4/201s):(

[Heritage] RPSI 141 &142

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