[Heritage] RPSI 141 &142

Cookie_Monster · 23-02-2010 12:54am

DWCommuter wrote: »

Im going on the ITG tour to support a good friend, get drunk and scare the ****e out of Gricers/trainspotters/enthusiasts etc.

"drunkenly in charge of a train"

I don't believe I've come across this offence before

corktina · 23-02-2010 9:03am

a very attractive livery for locos wasn't it! Why-o-why did (C)IE insist on splashing Orange (of all colours!) over everything for so long ? The green livery of the old carriges was also very attractive and approriate and has made a welcome return now (in part)

Ham'nd'egger · 23-02-2010 12:30pm

corktina wrote: »

a very attractive livery for locos wasn't it! Why-o-why did (C)IE insist on splashing Orange (of all colours!) over everything for so long ? The green livery of the old carriges was also very attractive and approriate and has made a welcome return now (in part)

I believe they went with more orange/tan to improve cab visibility from a distance.

Cookie_Monster · 23-02-2010 12:34pm

Hamndegger wrote: »

I believe they went with more orange/tan to improve cab visibility from a distance.

Similar to that horrid yellow front all IE & BR locos & MUs seem to have these days

Though the all over IE orange was my favourite livery on these

Judgement Day · 23-02-2010 12:39pm

I think the ghastly orange paint scheme dates from around 1964 when CIE paid a fortune to a Scandinavian design company to come up with a new corporate image which also included the 'broken wheel' logo which replaced the 'flying snail'.

The black and orange livery as applied to the 'Super Train' (MkII stock) always looked very good until the addition of the white toothpaste stripe in later years. Today, in common with British rail companies the emphasis is on design over durability. The various colour schemes applied to the Enterprise, the MkIV's and the 22000's are completely impractical and show ever bit of dirt/brake dust etc.etc....

Cookie_Monster · 23-02-2010 12:44pm

Judgement Day wrote: »

The various colour schemes applied to the Enterprise, the MkIV's and the 22000's are completely impractical and show ever bit of dirt/brake dust etc.etc....

As did the old, old silver. Lasted about 2 hours before it was nearly black again :pac:

lord lucan · 23-02-2010 2:09pm

Judgement Day wrote: »

I think the ghastly orange paint scheme dates from around 1964 when CIE paid a fortune to a Scandinavian design company to come up with a new corporate image which also included the 'broken wheel' logo which replaced the 'flying snail'.

I always thought the Flying Snail was ahead of it's time tbh,it was a great looking logo and much classier than the 'broken wheel' logo.

corktina · 23-02-2010 2:33pm

Hamndegger wrote: »

I believe they went with more orange/tan to improve cab visibility from a distance.

what on the sides? and on the carriages???

Cookie_Monster · 23-02-2010 2:38pm

corktina wrote: »

what on the sides? and on the carriages???

Woodie's had a deal going on orange paint that year.

Judgement Day · 23-02-2010 3:31pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

As did the old, old silver. Lasted about 2 hours before it was nearly black again :pac:

Do you mean something like this? An unidentifiable A-class at Dungarvan in the early 1960s by my old pal Joe St.Leger.

DWCommuter · 23-02-2010 4:29pm

Judgement Day wrote: »

Do you mean something like this? An unidentifiable A-class at Dungarvan in the early 1960s by my old pal Joe St.Leger.

Your havin a laugh JD.:D

Obviously Inchicore ran out of black paint.;)

Hungerford · 23-02-2010 10:17pm

Judgement Day wrote: »

I think the ghastly orange paint scheme dates from around 1964 when CIE paid a fortune to a Scandinavian design company to come up with a new corporate image.

Nah - it was done in-house. Remarkably, the designer's inspiration was a friendly tabby cat - and that's according to CIE's official accounts.

Cookie_Monster · 24-02-2010 10:38am

Judgement Day wrote: »

Do you mean something like this? An unidentifiable A-class at Dungarvan in the early 1960s by my old pal Joe St.Leger.

What on earth happened to that, someone just dump a load of sludge over it, noway thats just normal dirt build up

Hungerford wrote: »

Nah - it was done in-house. Remarkably, the designer's inspiration was a friendly tabby cat - and that's according to CIE's official accounts.

WTF, LOL

"only in Ireland"

wild handlin · 24-02-2010 11:09am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

What on earth happened to that, someone just dump a load of sludge over it, noway thats just normal dirt build upQUOTE]

Nothing more than some oil by the looks of it. Fairly common for the early crossley engines.

Cookie_Monster · 24-02-2010 11:11am

wild handlin wrote: »

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

What on earth happened to that, someone just dump a load of sludge over it, noway thats just normal dirt build up

Nothing more than some oil by the looks of it. Fairly common for the early crossley engines.

over the whole of the front of it, how was that a common happening

wild handlin · 24-02-2010 11:21am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

over the whole of the front of it, how was that a common happening

I believe the original exhaust was located above the cab door in the center of the roof, hence when the engine throws oil it would usually go over the cab front and down the sides of the cab - quickest way to the ground!!

When they were re-engined the exhaust ports were changed to the center - was still common to see oil sludge down the sides of the locos, prefectly normal for a 2 stroke engine. However, the old photo there is a little more than abit of oil. Maybe the sump leaked into the crank case, thrus spewing un-burnt oil out the exhaust. Not un-common with the old crossley engines, hence the re-engining to GM power units.

Cookie_Monster · 24-02-2010 11:37am

wild handlin wrote: »

I believe the original exhaust was located above the cab door in the center of the roof, hence when the engine throws oil it would usually go over the cab front and down the sides of the cab - quickest way to the ground!!

When they were re-engined the exhaust ports were changed to the center - was still common to see oil sludge down the sides of the locos, prefectly normal for a 2 stroke engine. However, the old photo there is a little more than abit of oil. Maybe the sump leaked into the crank case, thrus spewing un-burnt oil out the exhaust. Not un-common with the old crossley engines, hence the re-engining to GM power units.

Ah, I see. Interesting, I imagine it made the windows pretty horrid too. Wiper covered in sludgy oil, water, wsher fluid and god only knows what else. What a pleasant surface to look through

24-02-2010 7:01pm

I once heard someone say that with the Crossley engines, the A class often had more oil outside the engine than inside. That photo certainly supports that assertion.

Hungerford · 25-02-2010 1:40pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

WTF, LOL
"only in Ireland"

Seriously! I don't have it to hand but I'll dig out the exact quote when I get a chance.

Run_to_da_hills · 25-02-2010 1:51pm

All Murphy models of the 141 in original black and tan are sold out / finished production, anyone any idea if they will be released again? You would imagine there would be some demand for them with the restoration of these two locos.

Cookie_Monster · 25-02-2010 1:58pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

All Murphy models of the 141 in original black and tan are sold out / finished production, anyone any idea if they will be released again? You would imagine there would be some demand for them with the restoration of these two locos.

you can still get them in a few places, and on ebay every so often. IIRC Marks models have at least one in Dun Laoghaire but its a display model, there may be others

EDIT: I already have B181 :P

Run_to_da_hills · 25-02-2010 2:02pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

you can still get them in a few places, and on ebay every so often. IIRC Marks models have at least one in Dun Laoghaire but its a display model, there may be others

EDIT: I already have B181 :P

You will need a pair of them now, I only see one of them in your collection.

Cookie_Monster · 25-02-2010 2:08pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You will need a pair of them now, I only see one of them in your collection.

tis planned, I'll see what I come across

25-02-2010 8:42pm

A post on IRN seems to be suggesting that the entire 141 class were withdrawn today. Anyone able to shed some light on this?

lord lucan · 25-02-2010 8:54pm

Karsini wrote: »

A post on IRN seems to be suggesting that the entire 141 class were withdrawn today. Anyone able to shed some light on this?

The ITG have this on their website in relation to their tour in March:"ITG has become aware that the 141 class are being taken out of service, with several remaining locomotives working to Inchicore, and the rest to follow imminently. ITG has been in contact with Iarnrod Eireann, and it is still intended to provide two 141 class locomotives for the ITG Railtour on 6th March. These will be examined over the coming days to ensure the locomotives are fit to work the train."

http://www.irishtractiongroup.com/index.htm

Judgement Day · 25-02-2010 9:01pm

Extraordinary isn't it? What do you think it can be, tin worm, swine flu or the dreaded lurgi? One day a perfectably serviceable locomotive, the next so many tons of scrap metal - you would never know that CIE was a State company unaccountable to anybody would you?

Cookie_Monster · 25-02-2010 9:06pm

lord lucan wrote: »

The ITG have this on their website in relation to their tour in March:"ITG has become aware that the 141 class are being taken out of service, with several remaining locomotives working to Inchicore, and the rest to follow imminently. ITG has been in contact with Iarnrod Eireann, and it is still intended to provide two 141 class locomotives for the ITG Railtour on 6th March. These will be examined over the coming days to ensure the locomotives are fit to work the train."

http://www.irishtractiongroup.com/index.htm

Aww boo

Still 48 years isin't a bad run!

lord lucan · 25-02-2010 9:07pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Aww boo

Still 48 years isin't a bad run!

Glad i went on last Sundays spin to Longford!!

wild handlin · 25-02-2010 9:11pm

Judgement Day wrote: »

Extraordinary isn't it? What do you think it can be, tin worm, swine flu or the dreaded lurgi? One day a perfectably serviceable locomotive, the next so many tons of scrap metal - you would never know that CIE was a State company unaccountable to anybody would you?

Got it on one JD, got it in one.

Cookie_Monster · 25-02-2010 9:14pm

Judgement Day wrote: »

Extraordinary isn't it? What do you think it can be, tin worm, swine flu or the dreaded lurgi? One day a perfectably serviceable locomotive, the next so many tons of scrap metal - you would never know that CIE was a State company unaccountable to anybody would you?

wild handlin wrote: »

Got it on one JD, got it in one.

reading lord lucan link there have been a few recent issues that caused this, including brake problems. they were due to be retired soon enough anywya, no point spending a lot of time and money to repair them and rettire them a few months later.

48 years is a long service life, I'd hope they get the same out of the 071's and 201's. Some of the 201's have been mothballed already though

[Heritage] RPSI 141 &142

Comments