Head Shop Fire

Birneybau

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0212/dublin.html

Im downwind and Im off my T!TS!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Duuuuuuuuuudeeee........ bummer.....

*Drug dealers strike back*

Co45

rarnes1 wrote: »

*Drug dealers strike back*

Either an irate liveline listener or local drug dealers angry at losing business.

Atlas_IRL

Birneybau wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0212/dublin.html

Im downwind and Im off my T!TS!

haha reminds me of this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9keQMXSpHs&n

syklops

rarnes1 wrote: »

There is a thread in after hours, with over 5 pages of comments called "Head shops, about 3 months left?".

Whats there to be confused about?

Co45

I really don't think headshops have 3 months left. I mean how can you ban a shop selling legal products? I would imagine this will go to the EU court.

funk-you

Birneybau wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0212/dublin.html

Im downwind and Im off my T!TS!

Lies. Well, not from the headshop fire anyway.

-Funk

prinz

Co45 wrote: »

I really don't think headshops have 3 months left. I mean how can you ban a shop selling legal products?

You make the products illegal to sell. Pretty straightforward tbh.

Co45

prinz wrote: »

You make the products illegal to sell. Pretty straightforward tbh.

Not really. They banned a whole load of products. What did the shop do? Chemically altered the banned structure and released new drugs that weren't illegal.

General Zod

that doesn't stop the shop from being banned though. there'll just be new products.


More importantly, Utopia and Utopia 2 are on that street! the porn has gone up in flames. THE PORN!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

General Zod wrote: »

that doesn't stop the shop from being banned though. there'll just be new products.


More importantly, Utopia and Utopia 2 are on that street! the porn has gone up in flames. THE PORN!

Hey, man... you leave my special lady-friend out of this...

prinz

Co45 wrote: »

Not really. They banned a whole load of products. What did the shop do? Chemically altered the banned structure and released new drugs that weren't illegal.

...and then you ban those etc etc. Keep them on their toes and all the chemistry grads in jobs.

matt-dublin

Co45 wrote: »

I really don't think headshops have 3 months left. I mean how can you ban a shop selling legal products? I would imagine this will go to the EU court.

alll of those legalised products are soon to become illegal after several deaths

Co45

matt-dublin wrote: »

alll of those legalised products are soon to become illegal after several deaths

What deaths?

Also if they're made illegal they'll just release a new batch.

Co45

prinz wrote: »

...and then you ban those etc etc. Keep them on their toes and all the chemistry grads in jobs.

Theres hundreds of thousands of chemical structures they can toy with. Also the government can't just ban something they have to review it first which can take months. Fighting a losing battle really.

matt-dublin

xzanti wrote: »

Actually, I beat you both to it..

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=64435632&postcount=195


Mrrrrrrrrrrr

only by 10 minutes!!

mickos

matt-dublin wrote: »

alll of those legalised products are soon to become illegal after several deaths

Seriously, what deaths??

matt-dublin

Co45 wrote: »

What deaths?

Also if they're made illegal they'll just release a new batch.

couple of kids were killed after taking herbal ecstasy this year, heart attacks and seizures from what i remember.

and i think what theyll do is ban the shops from selling anything that can be taken to alter mind state, then you're drugs are gone.

simple as

xzanti

Co45 wrote: »

What deaths?

.

That place was filthy, had to be crawling with rats..

Rest in peace little buddies

Birneybau

funk-you wrote: »

Lies. Well, not from the headshop fire anyway.

-Funk

I never made an explicit connection between the two..

-Birneybau

racso1975

Co45 wrote: »

Not really. They banned a whole load of products. What did the shop do? Chemically altered the banned structure and released new drugs that weren't illegal.

So ban the generic substance that includes all the aunties and uncles of the original hence no altered substances released

Exactly how they have done it in the uk and continent

jimmay

Jim Bellemy, owner of Nirvana on Spin 1038 "It has to be foul play, thanks to the disgusting media coverage"! He sounded stoned lol

Co45

matt-dublin wrote: »

couple of kids were killed after taking herbal ecstasy this year, heart attacks and seizures from what i remember.

and i think what theyll do is ban the shops from selling anything that can be taken to alter mind state, then you're drugs are gone.

simple as

Then alcohol, coffee and ciggarettes are gone as well.


Also you are completely making that up. A couple of kids died after taking herbal ecstasy? Heart attacks?
Link please.

jimmay

racso1975 wrote: »

So ban the generic substance that includes all the aunties and uncles of the original hence no altered substances released

Exactly how they have done it in the uk and continent

They're not banned in the UK?? And one of the points been made is that they can be ordered online from other countries if the headshops are closed.

Co45

racso1975 wrote: »

So ban the generic substance that includes all the aunties and uncles of the original hence no altered substances released

Exactly how they have done it in the uk and continent

I don't think you understand. There are thousands of upon thousands of completely different structures just waiting to be produced.

Auvers

matt-dublin wrote: »

couple of kids were killed after taking herbal ecstasy this year, heart attacks and seizures from what i remember.

and i think what theyll do is ban the shops from selling anything that can be taken to alter mind state, then you're drugs are gone.

simple as

that you off the radio Joe? what a load of complete bullsh1te

Pace2008

matt-dublin wrote: »

couple of kids were killed after taking herbal ecstasy this year, heart attacks and seizures from what i remember.

That didn't happnen

and i think what theyll do is ban the shops from selling anything that can be taken to alter mind state, then you're drugs are gone.

simple as

No it isn't; with your proposed legislation tea, coffee, alcohol, chocolate, nutmeg and any amount of products you use in day-to-day life will be outlawed.

Sarah**

Pace2008 wrote: »

That didn't happnen

This is the only link i can find to a teenage death resulting from Legal Highs....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/expert_advice/article6989754.ece

Borneo Fnctn

matt-dublin wrote: »

and i think what theyll do is ban the shops from selling anything that can be taken to alter mind state, then you're drugs are gone.

simple as

That won't work. You'd have to ban super glue, aerosols, petrol, nutmeg and so on. The list is endless.

matt-dublin

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2421820.ece

Pace2008

BZP has already been banned.

Auvers

matt-dublin wrote: »

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2421820.ece

Daniel took two or three pills at a housewarming party last May — then used Ecstasy the next day,

Mr Urpeth said: “BZP does not cause fatalities on its own - it is only about a tenth the strength of Ecstasy.

“But it appears to cause death in conjunction with Ecstasy.”

I think you will find that he consumed an illegal drug the day after taking BZP (which is banned in Ireland)

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

matt-dublin wrote: »

and i think what theyll do is ban the shops from selling anything that can be taken to alter mind state, then you're drugs are gone.

simple as

simple as?

so were banning pubs/clubs, coffee, red bull, pain killers?

Pace2008 wrote: »

BZP has already been banned.

but he was my fav AH poster! dam you mods


as long as i have "cake" im happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2TO_loTP8M

Co45

Sarah** wrote: »

This is the only link i can find to a teenage death resulting from Legal Highs....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/expert_advice/article6989754.ece

Mephedrone was ruled out as the cause of death in that case.

Co45

matt-dublin wrote: »

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2421820.ece

I knew you would post that.

Quess what, he took BZP, survived. Then the next night took illegal ecstasy and died. The coroner said mixing them might have caused the death

Oh and BZP is illegal anyway.

Run_to_da_hills

Fire fighters have been called to the scene of a large fire at three shops on Dublin’s Capel St.

One of the premises affected is the Nirvana "head shop". Seven units of the Dublin Fire Brigade are attending the blaze.

AA Roadwatch warned there is also poor visibility along the North Quays, and a smell of smoke is lingering over the city..

Anyone off their trollies this morning.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0212/breaking86.html?via=mr

The Master

Threads merged

DJ_U4EA

matt-dublin wrote: »

couple of kids were killed after taking herbal ecstasy this year, heart attacks and seizures from what i remember.

and i think what theyll do is ban the shops from selling anything that can be taken to alter mind state, then you're drugs are gone.

simple as

Its this kind of fantastical bull**** scaremongering that makes it hard to have a reasonable debate about this issue. FYI, any death attributed to legal highs has in all cases involved a cocktail of alcohol and other "illegal" subtsances. Add to that the stupidity and naievety of some people and you have a disaster scenario.

Also, you're idea on how to close the head shops is so ridiculous you might want to have a think about it again. How many deaths does alcohol cause per year? No one on the zealot side of the arguement wants to answer that because its the white elephant in the room.

We have a major problem in Ireland, that some people just can't **** off and allow people to live their own lives and make their own choices. Its endemic in this society, reflected by the clueless anti-drug zealots ringing Joe Duffy and the ill informed, ill thought out opinions of the crusader himself. People would do themselves a favor by concentrating on their own lives and stop piously preaching to others on how to live theirs.

c0rk3r

DJ_U4EA wrote: »

legal highs

Wouldn't a more suitable name be "loophole highs".

funk-you

Birneybau wrote: »

I never made an explicit connection between the two..

-Birneybau

There was implication but I gave the benefit of the doubt. Hence the second part of my post. You're fairly articulate for being 'off your tits' though.

-Funk

Bucklesman

*Coughs*

I saw smoke on Capel Street from the bus, and had my camera handy...

Pics here. :cool:

Birneybau

funk-you wrote: »

There was implication but I gave the benefit of the doubt. Hence the second part of my post. You're fairly articulate for being 'off your tits' though.

-Funk

Im a high-functioning addict..(pardon the pun)
Helps me get through the day..

-Birneybau

stevenmu

Username-in-use wrote: »

Wouldn't a more suitable name be "loophole highs".

No, that implies that that there is some quirk or mistake in the law which allows these, but this is not correct. In our legal system pretty much everything is legal unless it is explicitly made illegal. These substances are not in any way illegal, therefore they are entirely legal, not semi-legal or in a grey area. They are simply not illegal

(yet)

DominoDub

Speaking on Newstalk FM, Nirvana's owner Jim Bellamy suggested the fire had been started deliberately following widespread coverage of a campaign against the proliferation against head shops.

“Somebody has taken the law into their own hands by the disgusting media coverage of the last month or so,”

“We have been tried by the media, found guilty – and this is the sentence”.

dilallio

I wonder if the fire was anything like this ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsIa3u2egvE

Auvers

Drop the Dead Donkey

loved that show

rovert

Sounds too convient

Dont trust hippies

Stercus Accidit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SyurgZ8GaQ

Frankly on the back of these (real) government measures, I'm going to buy some of this head shop fake marijuana, just to try it.

I'll see what all the fuss is about, and if I don't like it, I'll get drunk and beat someone up.

c0rk3r

stevenmu wrote: »

No, that implies that that there is some quirk or mistake in the law which allows these, but this is not correct.

Errr you think that if they weren't disguised as "bath salts" (etc) and removed the "NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION" they would be legal ?

InKonspikuou2

A lot of other industries use the chemicals that go into these products so it's difficult to ban them without other reprecussions. And since the law must be specific they can't ban all mind altering substances. The chemical composition will just be changed and then it would take another 3 plus months to try ban that one. And then the process repeats itself. It's unwinnable to try ban head shops.