Clare GAA discussion thread

Clareman

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

dont think we are that far behind but galway and tipp were not afraid to make any changes to there setups , it seems we were and we paid for it

players playing in there suited positions , no provisions made for players today any player that was having a bad day was taken off ,

its a well known fact that certain players were performing better in challenge games ,training or league games and couldnt get a starting place come championship

tipperary didnt start jason forde today on the basis that he might come good , but we started players like conlon , like podge and even at times kelly when they were not performing , peter duggan was on the verge of leaving the panel as there was nothing more he could do to put his name forward , he got his chance eventually when it was too late in both the cork and tipp games ,

jason mccarthy , jamie shannahan , ian galvin all over looked at different times as well , we have a very strong panel but we are not using it properly ,

you need to go with your form players , you need to take your chances when you get them and if players are not performing you dont play them regardless of who they are

The annoying thing is that I think we are actually better than them, not just as good but better, all we're missing is a few leaders on the pitch and I'm afraid that we're getting to the stage that it's harder to get off the team than it is to get on it.

Clareman

funnyname wrote: »

Ah now that's totally unfair,
Canning has been out of sorts manys a year. He hasn't been a total superstar since he burst onto the scene. Kelly will rise again

How is it unfair? Kelly was captain last year, hurler of the year 4 years ago and was named as our key player almost everytime he was mentioned, unfortunately he just didn't produce a decent performance after the AI Club Semi final, his wides in particular at the end of the game against Tipp were terrible.

deaddonkey15

Clareman wrote: »

How is it unfair? Kelly was captain last year, hurler of the year 4 years ago and was named as our key player almost everytime he was mentioned, unfortunately he just didn't produce a decent performance after the AI Club Semi final, his wides in particular at the end of the game against Tipp were terrible.

It wasn't just Kelly that let us down this year. A lot of the praise for Galway earlier in the year was about how potent their forwards were and how they were all chipping in with many scores and not just relying on Canning. We don't have many forwards who step up and make big contributions to the side. The Galway side is full of absolute monsters as well that are able to win ball.

Clareman

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

It wasn't just Kelly that let us down this year. A lot of the praise for Galway earlier in the year was about how potent their forwards were and how they were all chipping in with many scores and not just relying on Canning. We don't have many forwards who step up and make big contributions to the side. The Galway side is full of absolute monsters as well that are able to win ball.

We are really struggling for ball winners and I think most Clare supporters saw this as the biggest weakness for that bunch of 21s

funnyname

Unfair in that Canning hasn't always been a superstar for Galway, so give Kelly a break, judge him after next year.

Clareman wrote: »

How is it unfair? Kelly was captain last year, hurler of the year 4 years ago and was named as our key player almost everytime he was mentioned, unfortunately he just didn't produce a decent performance after the AI Club Semi final, his wides in particular at the end of the game against Tipp were terrible.

Clareman

funnyname wrote: »

Unfair in that Canning hasn't always been a superstar for Galway, so give Kelly a break, judge him after next year.

I'm just comparing this year 1 match to another, in my opinion if Tony Kelly gave a last 20 minutes against Tipp as Joe Canning did Clare would have won

deaddonkey15

Clareman wrote: »

I'm just comparing this year 1 match to another, in my opinion if Tony Kelly gave a last 20 minutes against Tipp as Joe Canning did Clare would have won

You're being very harsh on Kelly. It's not as easy as just deciding to give a good last 20 mins. Canning was poor in the first half yesterday but the rest of the Galway side stepped up and kept them in it. They didn't hit stupid wides and their keeper didn't pick out Tipp players for 3 or 4 puck outs before half time either.

Clareman

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

You're being very harsh on Kelly. It's not as easy as just deciding to give a good last 20 mins. Canning was poor in the first half yesterday but the rest of the Galway side stepped up and kept them in it. They didn't hit stupid wides and they're keeper didn't pick out Tipp players for 3 or 4 puck outs before half time either.

I watched the Tipp game back and 2 of the puck outs wasn't down to the goalie, the defenders totally missed the ball.

I think the problem with a lot of our players is we aren't allowed be harsh on them, sure they're only young, sure they're on the road a lot, sure they whatever

deaddonkey15

Clareman wrote: »

I watched the Tipp game back and 2 of the puck outs wasn't down to the goalie, the defenders totally missed the ball.

I think the problem with a lot of our players is we aren't allowed be harsh on them, sure they're only young, sure they're on the road a lot, sure they whatever

I'd agree with that but singling out Kelly is a bit harsh. When they were analysing Tipp before the game yesterday they were showing some clips from the Clare match in July. In one of the clips Conlon failed to rise the ball twice - the first attempt under little pressure. In another clip Cian Dillion had the ball in hand but somehow managed to lose ball and hurley as Tipp turned it over. Both resulted in points points conceded. Kelly was disappointing but we were riddled with mistakes all over the pitch in that game. If I recall correctly, Conlon hit one or two unforgivable wides for an inter county player.

Clareman

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

I'd agree with that but singling out Kelly is a bit harsh. When they were analysing Tipp before the game yesterday they were showing some clips from the Clare match in July. In one of the clips Conlon failed to rise the ball twice - the first attempt under little pressure. In another clip Cian Dillion had the ball in hand but somehow managed to lose ball and hurley as Tipp turned it over. Both resulted in points points conceded. Kelly was disappointing but we were riddled with mistakes all over the pitch in that game. If I recall correctly, Conlon hit one or two unforgivable wides for an inter county player.

I would count Kelly as 1 of the leaders of this team and others follow leaders, Kelly didn't lead, Canning did that's what I'm saying is the difference between Clare winning and not, if someone else wants to put them in the position to be a leader and fail I'll comment on them the same.

Reputable Rog

Clareman wrote: »

I watched the Tipp game back and 2 of the puck outs wasn't down to the goalie, the defenders totally missed the ball.

I think the problem with a lot of our players is we aren't allowed be harsh on them, sure they're only young, sure they're on the road a lot, sure they whatever

That was my reading of the Tipp game, I felt the players themselves put Fahy under pressure and that they also weren't giving him the options.
I rate Fahy, he's the first Clare goalie I've rated since Davy.

Tell me how

Was in Dublin for weekend so decided to go to Croke Park yesterday for Mayo/Roscommon. (who do I apply to for a refund?)
Seriously though, hard to believe that Clare gave that Mayo team a serious game until the goals shifted things considerably. At half time that day in the park, I was thinking, "We could do this".

Then again, Roscommon nearly beat them last week...

P. S. Fair play to Mayo supporters. They always travel and are always loud and supportive.
Saw a couple yesterday with 3 children including one in a buggy and no bother to them, all 5 and the buggy made it to Hogan stand without incident or inconvenience to others.

danganabu

Clareman wrote: »

The annoying thing is that I think we are actually better than them, not just as good but better

Ah will you stop for the love of god :rolleyes:

One team that has reached 7 of the last 8 AI semi finals, and other team had one good year and have beaten a sum total of Offaly, Laois and limerick in 4 years is better and you think it is the latter that is the better team, jaysus you couldn't actually make it up

danganabu

Tell me how wrote: »

Was in Dublin for weekend so decided to go to Croke Park yesterday for Mayo/Roscommon. (who do I apply to for a refund?)
Seriously though, hard to believe that Clare gave that Mayo team a serious game until the goals shifted things considerably. At half time that day in the park, I was thinking, "We could do this".

Then again, Roscommon nearly beat them last week...

P. S. Fair play to Mayo supporters. They always travel and are always loud and supportive.
Saw a couple yesterday with 3 children including one in a buggy and no bother to them, all 5 and the buggy made it to Hogan stand without incident or inconvenience to others.

Mayo have obviously stepped it up, but Clare are a bloody good football side and very underrated, possibly because their rise coincided with Tipp's and Clare didn't have the underage success to go with it. Clare footballers never seem to be on the tele either which is strange.

Clareman

danganabu wrote: »

Ah will you stop for the love of god :rolleyes:

One team that has reached 7 of the last 8 AI semi finals, and other team had one good year and have beaten a sum total of Offaly, Laois and limerick in 4 years is better and you think it is the latter that is the better team, jaysus you couldn't actually make it up

I was talking about on the day rather than over the past 8 years.

danganabu

Clareman wrote: »

I was talking about on the day rather than over the past 8 years.

You are also wrong on that if that makes it any better!

mountgomery burns

If you thought they were better on the day say that instead of "I think we ARE better than them".

windy shepard henderson

club championship in hurling resumes today , already some surprise teams in to the relegation play offs as tulla see off clarecastle and last years semi finalists feakle lose out in extra time to cloney quin

two massive games tonight in the park in which ballyea play the bridge in the winners round ,crusheen will play cratloe in the curtain raiser , the looser of this will also be in the relegation quagmire

https://twitter.com/BrennanEoin/status/896383901899403264

https://twitter.com/EvanG1888/status/896386866127286272

windy shepard henderson

disappointing end to the ladies footballers campaign as they lose out to meath by the minimum at the 1/4 final stage today ,

https://twitter.com/Clarelgfa/status/896370160046665729

windy shepard henderson

good win for the bridge over munster champions ballyea , jamie shannahan and the ever green niall gilligan there main talismen tonight , they advance to the last 8 along with neighbours newmarket who comfortably overcame doora/barefield, colin ryan scored 1-12 in this one , hopefully he will give it one more shot at inter county next year , blues are building momentum , possible dark horses

cratloe sent crusheen into the relegation play off with a workman like win and look like a side going in the right direction , crusheen the team to avoid in the relegation play off , i cant see them going down ,

https://twitter.com/claresport/status/896451720997466113

https://twitter.com/Westclarepage/status/896407437187715072

https://twitter.com/claresport/status/896422695390367744

windy shepard henderson

championship picture to date

1/4 finalists

Sixmilebridge
N.O.F
Eire og v whitegate winners
Clonlara v inagh kilnamona winners

Round 3 ( winners progress to 1/4 finals)

Ballyea
Cratloe
Clooney/quin
Doora/Barefield
Tulla
Eire og v whitegate ( losers )
Clonlara v inagh kilnamona (losers)
O'C Mills v Wolfe Tones ( winners )

Relegation play/off

Crusheen
Clarecastle
Feakle
O'C Mills v Wolfe Tones (losers )

letowski

Bridge Ballyea was a good game of hurling this evening. Ballyea should still have a say, it wasn't like they played badly or anything, they were toe to toe for most of the game. Sending off effected them although the Bridge were a bit better on the balance of play. Bridge are very focused, the are usually strongest on a bounce back year.

letowski

Cratloe will have a big say too of course. I'm kind of expecting McGrath to get going this autumn, wasn't his usual best for the county but he has missed half the year. I think he will hit his stride over the next few weeks and give Cratloe a good chance, they have a team loaded with talent.

windy shepard henderson

letowski wrote: »

Bridge Ballyea was a good game of hurling this evening. Ballyea should still have a say, it wasn't like they played badly or anything, they were toe to toe for most of the game. Sending off effected them although the Bridge were a bit better on the balance of play. Bridge are very focused, the are usually strongest on a bounce back year.

cathal doohan was a huge loss for ballyea today , but in the second half with the game in the melting pot they didnt seem to have the forwards to really trouble sixmilebridge , also there puck outs was shocking , they will most likly challenge but wont win it out again this year ,

the bridge needed no motivation after the tragedy last week , that murphy lad was a promising hurler at underage level and his family are all involved with the club so tonight's win was huge , jamie shanahan was excellent in open play , while niall gilligan was playing like a 21 year old at times , but they have a lot to work on too ,

tonights game was more of a dusting of the cobwebs tie rather then a full blown championship game , both sets of half forwards got loads of time on the ball before shooting , the bridge will need more out of seanda morey ,shane golden and cathal malone the next day , malone and golden got some nice scores but drifted out of the game too much , conor deasy looks like he is on his way back to underage form , excellent minor 5 or 6 years ago hopefully he can come good as he was an excellent prospect

windy shepard henderson

letowski wrote: »

Cratloe will have a big say too of course. I'm kind of expecting McGrath to get going this autumn, wasn't his usual best for the county but he has missed half the year. I think he will hit his stride over the next few weeks and give Cratloe a good chance, they have a team loaded with talent.

cratloe and newmarket are huge dark horses , colin ryan is pretty much back to his best , scored 1-12 out of 1-18 tonight , inter county team needs him next year too , if he remains on form they will be very hard to stop they always have strong defensive sides and very hard to break down

cratloes find of billy conners will be huge for there forward line , and having the likes of shane gleason and david collins playing well it takes huge pressure of the marque players , full back line a major concern for them , but with out a doubt the best forwards in the championship

crusheens 15 minute mini revival in the second half leaves me to think they will have plenty to stay up , clarecastle in huge trouble i think

letowski

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

cratloe and newmarket are huge dark horses , colin ryan is pretty much back to his best , scored 1-12 out of 1-18 tonight , inter county team needs him next year too , if he remains on form they will be very hard to stop they always have strong defensive sides and very hard to break down

cratloes find of billy conners will be huge for there forward line , and having the likes of shane gleason and david collins playing well it takes huge pressure of the marque players , full back line a major concern for them , but with out a doubt the best forwards in the championship

crusheens 15 minute mini revival in the second half leaves me to think they will have plenty to stay up , clarecastle in huge trouble i think

Strange to see Clarecastle go back so far, they didn't have a bad year last year. They have been competitive underage, very strong hurling community. Then it goes to show like with Kilmaley last year, you can have young talent coming through, doesn't always translate to senior straight away.

Redsoxfan

How many are relegated?

Figerty

letowski wrote: »

Strange to see Clarecastle go back so far, they didn't have a bad year last year. They have been competitive underage, very strong hurling community. Then it goes to show like with Kilmaley last year, you can have young talent coming through, doesn't always translate to senior straight away.

Do Clarecastle have significant talent coming through? Don't think they have the quantity required. Ballyea lads will stay where they will. Clarecastle very likely to go down.

windy shepard henderson

Redsoxfan wrote: »

How many are relegated?

1 team but given the competitive nature of the championship , there are no shadow boxers in the play off

clarecastle have been strong at underage level and one of the biggest clubs in the county traditionally

feakle : lost at the semi final stage last year narrowly to eventual winners ballyea

crusheen : won the championship twice in the last few years lost a provincial final 4 years ago

the losers of O'Challaghans mills v Wolfe tones will join them after tomorows fixture both would be hard to relegate , in one way its good to have such a competitive championship but not nice to see big clubs slide

windy shepard henderson

Figerty wrote: »

Do Clarecastle have significant talent coming through? Don't think they have the quantity required. Ballyea lads will stay where they will. Clarecastle very likely to go down.

ballyea have several players from west clare , most of which they worked up through the under age ranks clarecastle dont have that advantage but what will catch ballyea long term is , most lads from lissycasey, kilmihil , cooreaclare and even miltown are on the kilmaley books underage this will affect them long term , kilmaley wont stay down for long but intermediate is tough and they wont have it all there own way

the magpies had a few minor sides that were descent , in 2014 they had a young side that gave plenty of it to a descent cratloe side in a championship 1/4 final and looked to be on the right road ,since then they have been shocking

they have some serious coach's down there not just dalo but the o'loughlans seanie mc mahon ect... there demise should not be happening