TV Licence - ALL TV licence discussion/queries in this thread.

Berks

Ah! seems you are as confused as me so.

Well thats the point, everyone who has the means to access over the air signals..have to pay. Or at least thats my understanding.

My problems lies with the fact that UPC is all wired and ready to go in my flat, if I like it or not. That leads me to believe I have the means to easily access TV stations if I wanted which could be the reason I need a TV license even if I will never use this "means"...or have a TV.

Iv seen in other threads relating to TV aerials on roofs that because its there it means the house has access to recieve TV and therefore needs a license.

Any verdicts?

ronkmonster

Berks wrote: »

Ah! seems you are as confused as me so.

Well thats the point, everyone who has the means to access over the air signals..have to pay. Or at least thats my understanding.

My problems lies with the fact that UPC is all wired and ready to go in my flat, if I like it or not. That leads me to believe I have the means to easily access TV stations if I wanted which could be the reason I need a TV license even if I will never use this "means"...or have a TV.

Iv seen in other threads relating to TV aerials on roofs that because its there it means the house has access to recieve TV and therefore needs a license.

Any verdicts?

UPC bring broadband through that cable too so it's not tv specific. You can call UPC to come remove the cabling if you think it'll be a problem.

Berks

Removing the cabling would be a landlord type issue I would think?
Also I wouldn't think it would have anything to do with being "TV specific", the radio spectrum isnt specific to TV as radio and mobile phones work off it too.

Seems this is a bigger question that I had thought *confused smiley*

ronkmonster

Berks wrote: »

Removing the cabling would be a landlord type issue I would think?
Also I wouldn't think it would have anything to do with being "TV specific", the radio spectrum isnt specific to TV as radio and mobile phones work off it too.

Seems this is a bigger question that I had thought *confused smiley*

I would have thought the inspectors look for tvs, vcr, tv card for pcs etc. things that receive the signal and process it rather than the medium it comes in on.

If you have a legitimate and provable reason for having an aerial/dish on the roof that isn't tv related, then you surely aren't liable for it.

EDIT: I mentioned the broadband because if you call UPC today to install just the broadband, it would be the same cabling as if you just ordered the tv.

Elmo

ronkmonster wrote: »

EDIT: I mentioned the broadband because if you call UPC today to install just the broadband, it would be the same cabling as if you just ordered the tv.

And you possible have access to their analogue service, even if they don't mention it.

ronkmonster

Elmo wrote: »

And you possible have access to their analogue service, even if they don't mention it.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/media/tv_licences.html
(From Above)
Every household, business or institution in Ireland with a television or equipment capable of receiving a television signal (using an aerial, satellite dish, cable or other means) must have a television licence.

This would imply that it's just the device receiving the signal that is eligible for the license - not the media (aerial, cable).

Elmo

ronkmonster wrote: »

This would imply that it's just the device receiving the signal that is eligible for the license - not the media (aerial, cable).

Thought that.

Berks

ronkmonster wrote: »

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/media/tv_licences.html
(From Above)
Every household, business or institution in Ireland with a television or equipment capable of receiving a television signal (using an aerial, satellite dish, cable or other means) must have a television licence.

This would imply that it's just the device receiving the signal that is eligible for the license - not the media (aerial, cable).

Right so you figure without the decoder box connected from this UPC box and into a TV I shouldnt be obliged to pay a license? I like the sounds of that

ronkmonster

Berks wrote: »

Right so you figure without the decoder box connected from this UPC box and into a TV I shouldnt be obliged to pay a license? I like the sounds of that

You also can't have a TV in the house.
I have a 40" TV but it's only used as a monitor so technically I should be paying

Berks

ronkmonster wrote: »

You also can't have a TV in the house.
I have a 40" TV but it's only used as a monitor so technically I should be paying

The building is divided into flats so I think im ok there.

Also thank you for that confession
GOT YOU NOW

ah no not really

danger_mouse_tm

I have a 32 inch tv that I use as a monitor. If I got a dedicated monitor (no tuner) wouldn't that mean I am exempt then from having a licence? Could I just remove the tuner from the TV? I only use the DVI input on the TV. We only watch DVDs played back from a laptop into the TV.

Berks

danger_mouse_tm wrote: »

I have a 32 inch tv that I use as a monitor. If I got a dedicated monitor (no tuner) wouldn't that mean I am exempt then from having a licence? Could I just remove the tuner from the TV? I only use the DVI input on the TV. We only watch DVDs played back from a laptop into the TV.

As far as my knowledge spans no license is required for a computer monitor. A license is required however for any device with a TV tuner. If the tuner is removed or damaged a license is still required as it is deemed " repairable ".

Fuzzy Clam

ronkmonster wrote: »

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/media/tv_licences.html
(From Above)
Every household, business or institution in Ireland with a television or equipment capable of receiving a television signal (using an aerial, satellite dish, cable or other means) must have a television licence.

This would imply that it's just the device receiving the signal that is eligible for the license - not the media (aerial, cable).

Actually that's not accurate . The act states " capable of receiving
and exhibiting television broadcasting services"
Receiving a signal in itself does not require a licence.

Mike 1972

Statute law > citizens "information" websites

Berks wrote: »

If the tuner is removed or damaged a license is still required as it is deemed " repairable ".

This doesnt make sense.

Going by that logic even removing the entire TV set doesnt exempt one from needing a licence since it could be repalced.

ronkmonster wrote: »

If you have a legitimate and provable reason for having an aerial/dish on the roof that isn't tv related, then you surely aren't liable for it.

Isint the onus to prove on them ?

Would a licence inspector know the difference between
A TV aerial and an FM (or 145/432 MHz Ham) radio yagi ?
A Satellite TV dish and a satellite broadband dish ?
An MMDS aerial and a WiFi/broadband antenna ?

Sam Russell

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Statute law > citizens "information" websites



This doesnt make sense.

Going by that logic even removing the entire TV set doesnt exempt one from needing a licence since it could be repalced.



Isint the onus to prove on them ?

Would a licence inspector know the difference between
A TV aerial and an FM (or 145/432 MHz Ham) radio yagi ?
A Satellite TV dish and a satellite broadband dish ?
An MMDS aerial and a WiFi/broadband antenna ?

The law as written is what counts, not your interpretation based on common sense. Because of changes in technology, the definition of what constitutes a TV has been broadened. I would think that the authorities are close to charging everyone for TV, or digital media. Over 90% of homes have a liability for a TV licence, probably closer to 98%, but I do not have the figures.

oppiuy

We are tenants in a house and we used to get those " to the occupier" letters which we ignored. An inspector came one day and took one of the girls names in the house. A week letter she recieved a warning stating she needed to obtain a Tv licence, followed a few weeks later with a final warning or court proceedings would start.
She sent a letter asking for a copy of the contract she had signed, plus a few more details which i cant remember right now and we havent heard a thing from them in over 3 months. Her Boyfriend says that the Tv licence is only a by law and that contracts for this need to be signed and stuff. He says he and all his friends have done this and not paid a TV licence for years.

Fuzzy Clam

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Statute law > citizens "information" websites



This doesnt make sense.

Going by that logic even removing the entire TV set doesnt exempt one from needing a licence since it could be repalced.



Isint the onus to prove on them ?

Would a licence inspector know the difference between
A TV aerial and an FM (or 145/432 MHz Ham) radio yagi ?
A Satellite TV dish and a satellite broadband dish ?
An MMDS aerial and a WiFi/broadband antenna ?

Aerials don't come into it;)

It's being ignored but I've highlighted twice already what the law states.

If you don't have a TV, then you don't have a equipment capable of exhibiting pictures. Simple.

Elmo

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

Aerials don't come into it;)

It's being ignored but I've highlighted twice already what the law states.

If you don't have a TV, then you don't have a equipment capable of exhibiting pictures. Simple.

Kind of like Snotser on the Den years ago describing how he couldn't afford the TV but he sets his VCR to record the TV, so when he is able to afford a TV he can watch back his recording!

cursai

If I have a TV licence expired last month for my present addresbut am planning on moving to a house that already has a licence. What's happens then. Do I let an post know of my address change. Do I need to keep getting a licence or will the one in the new house cover me. Is this possible?

Mike 1972

Sam Russell wrote: »

The law as written is what counts, not your interpretation based on common sense. .

Er hence the first line of my previous post

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Statute law > citizens "information" websites

celt262

Do i have to pay for my tv licence now that i am unemployed?

Sam Russell

celt262 wrote: »

Do i have to pay for my tv licence now that i am unemployed?

Yes.

Delaine

Hey guys, a TV Licence inspector recently called to my house about paying for the licence. He asked if I had a TV set, I told him I did indeed, he instructed me on how to go about paying and told me to get around to it sometime in the coming month. Everything was going smoothly thus far, no issues.

Now, unfortunately, not more than a couple of weeks after his visit, our TV broke down. We're in rented accommodation with a lease expiring this coming December, so we decided it wouldn't be worth the hassle of getting our landlord to replace the damn thing, so we're just getting rid of it.

So as you can probably surmise, my question is...can I take back my "yes I have a TV" answer after the fact? They've written to me now looking for payment, and it just seems like I have managed to find myself in the awkward position of having to pay 160 quid for something I don't actually have anymore.

Anyone have any experience with this kind of thing? Will they just assume I'm chancing my arm/trying to get away with not paying? Its just typical this would happen after he called and not before!

ftakeith

Delaine wrote: »

Hey guys, a TV Licence inspector recently called to my house about paying for the licence. He asked if I had a TV set, I told him I did indeed, he instructed me on how to go about paying and told me to get around to it sometime in the coming month. Everything was going smoothly thus far, no issues.

Now, unfortunately, not more than a couple of weeks after his visit, our TV broke down. We're in rented accommodation with a lease expiring this coming December, so we decided it wouldn't be worth the hassle of getting our landlord to replace the damn thing, so we're just getting rid of it.

So as you can probably surmise, my question is...can I take back my "yes I have a TV" answer after the fact? They've written to me now looking for payment, and it just seems like I have managed to find myself in the awkward position of having to pay 160 quid for something I don't actually have anymore.

Anyone have any experience with this kind of thing? Will they just assume I'm chancing my arm/trying to get away with not paying? Its just typical this would happen after he called and not before!

everyone in ireland should write to their TD's and get the government to privatise rte and abolish the tv licence fee and put rte with the bbc

RTE has failed its public service remit

Can anyone name ten great home grown programmes on rtetv in the last 50 years?
talk shows do not count as they are mostly plugging items
Or review programmes do not count

I can name a few home grown rtetv programmes:
1. Ireland a television history
2. The States of fear
3. Behind the wall
4. Insurrection- 8 part docudrama about the 1916 rising

Elmo

ftakeith wrote: »

everyone in ireland should write to their TD's and get the government to privatise rte and abolish the tv licence fee and put rte with the bbc

RTE has failed its public service remit

Can anyone name ten great home grown programmes on rtetv in the last 50 years?
talk shows do not count as they are mostly plugging items
Or review programmes do not count

I can name a few home grown rtetv programmes:
1. Ireland a television history
2. The States of fear
3. Behind the wall
4. Insurrection- 8 part docudrama about the 1916 rising

And become a back water of the BBC like BBC Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

1. Paths to Freedom
2. Batchelor's Walk
3. Pure Mule
4. The Den
5. Reeling in the Years
6. Strumpet City
7. The Late Late Show with Gay Byrne (I include as Chats Show once weren't about plugging your latest book)
8. Would You Believe
9. Prime Time Investigates
10. Property Crash

+ Your programmes and everyone else.

Again BBC has a higher Licence Fee and more licence fee payers, while being highly commercial all at the same time. During most of the last 50 years RTÉ has had the lowest price for a TV licence (Thanks to Ray Burke and a few back handers).

TV in itself has got worse in the last 10 years due to TV Commissioning focusing everything on Reality TV. It's a history show but its put 10 people in the past!

You planning to abolish the UK TV licence as well?

cormicar

€160 to pay for these guys salaries is an absolute joke.

Here are the top 10 earners:
1) Pat Kenny: €849,139
2) Gerry Ryan: €558,990
3) Marian Finucane: €455,190
4) Joe Duffy: €367,804
5) Ryan Tubridy: €346,667
6) Derek Mooney: €242,408
7) Marty Whelan!: €229,056
8 ) Miriam O’Callaghan: €221,383
9) John Kelly: €204,675
10) Bryan Dobson: €193,610

It takes 5307 people to pay their tv license for Pat Kenny to get his massive salary.

The majority(84%) of the TV license fee went to RTE in 2008(http://www.rte.ie/about/licence.html).

I have no problem paying the other 16% to help the little guys out but I'm not happy paying €150 for a couple of poxy channels that I could do without.

Why aren't we given the choice. People who want to watch RTE can pay the 84% and people who don't, don't. Seems fair to me.

Make it pay per view and see how well it does.

Unlike the BBC, RTE also make money from advertising which is how most channels survive.

Minstrel27

cormicar wrote: »

€160 to pay for these guys salaries is an absolute joke.

Here are the top 10 earners:
1) Pat Kenny: €849,139
2) Gerry Ryan: €558,990
3) Marian Finucane: €455,190
4) Joe Duffy: €367,804
5) Ryan Tubridy: €346,667
6) Derek Mooney: €242,408
7) Marty Whelan!: €229,056
8 ) Miriam O’Callaghan: €221,383
9) John Kelly: €204,675
10) Bryan Dobson: €193,610

I.

What year is that list from?

Also you cannot be seriously comparing RTÉ to the BBC. RTÉ aren't the only PSB that get money from a licence fee and advertising.

rovert

Original thread for this forum

D'Agger

cormicar wrote: »

€160 to pay for these guys salaries is an absolute joke.

Here are the top 10 earners:
1) Pat Kenny: €849,139
2) Gerry Ryan: €558,990
3) Marian Finucane: €455,190
4) Joe Duffy: €367,804
5) Ryan Tubridy: €346,667
6) Derek Mooney: €242,408
7) Marty Whelan!: €229,056
8 ) Miriam O’Callaghan: €221,383
9) John Kelly: €204,675
10) Bryan Dobson: €193,610

Seriously?? :rolleyes:

cormicar

PaulieC wrote: »

Seriously?? :rolleyes:

Sorry - it may be a few years old(I think it's from 2008) but just checked Pat Kenny's salary and it's €950,976 at the moment. I'd say the other salaries have similarly increased apart from Gerry Ryan's of course.

RTE get 84% of the license fee which is a massive share in my opinion.