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Evidence of the Afterlife Suppressed?
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09-01-2010 1:31am#1
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oh god you opened a can of worms research wise for me now thanks very much lol!
i have alot of trouble believing in any spirit mediums as i have not had any personal experience with spirits of any kind. just some weird spooky stuff i cant explain years ago with a born again christian bible causing 2 different people the same nightmares.
and trouble burning it also lol.
im guessing on that site they explain how it definetly isnt demons impersonating loved ones. because that is always one of my first questions.
LOL! It is a huge can of wriggles! but this is a topic that touches all our lives, excuse the pun. We will die. According the materialistic perspective, everything we hold dear, all our experiences - our loves and fears will one day simply vanish and rot in the ground with our bodies - forget chemtrails, airport scanners and the international banking elites for a moment - none of that will matter because we will not be here; we will not be anywhere because we will no longer exist...
Or will we?
What if we knew our continued existence is guaranteed? Not as a question of religious faith, but as a certainty, because we had evidence of it. How would we behave, towards others, ourselves, the world around us?
I've been looking into this for a number of years now, I'm convinced the evidence has been withheld in the mainstream, and used to profit those in whose interest it lies that we never understand where we go, and consequently where we are and what we are.
No, no demons impersonating loved ones.
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Lone Stone wrote: »I seen some show before age's cant remember to much about except there was this scientist guy who was making a machine to try communicate with the other side and the freaky thing was lol he said that he has been in contact with dead people who he worked with before they died and they said they are making something on the other side to try communicate with and thats how they were able to ring his phone :eek:
bs tho get them to ring on the camera then.
Franks Box from Coast to Coast. Widely discredited and disbelieved of late. They did have an excellent show on EVP recently, hosted by Art Bell (the original and best c2c presenter). Here's a link and some info on how to build one. Mahatma Coat will probably undertake this project!
http://www.project-reveal.com/#/how-to-make-a-franks-box/4532786346
A while back on coast to coast, they also had a British Doc from an emergency room who decided to carry out some experiments in the theatre, having often heard stories recounted from patients of floating outside of their bodies or looking down at themselves being resuscitated. The experiments involved placing objects and symbols around the ER which could only be viewed from above the patients position. The results convinced the doc that the phenomenon was real. Worth a look back to anyone who is interested.0 -
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I just want to make it clear that the current stance is that life formed over billions of years starting from simple self replicating RNA molecules in a PCR type reaction.
time is irrelevant - even if a pre RNA soup existed then the more time there is the less likely the end product could be RNA - any chemical soup such as this will not revert to higher order molecules over time
higher order molecules will degrade over time .
UV light , oxygen , etc will destroy them .
there fore - its is either not possible - or someone creamed off the higher order pre RNA or actual RNA - and put it somewhere safe
how do you factor in molecular chirality - left handed and right handed structure - in vivo ?
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reaction reverseabilty ?
protein / amino reactions have an end product of water and are reversible - but these reactions would have had to have occured in water as a solvent - no reversible reaction will proced to an end point creating more of an end product already in abundance.( ie water )0 -
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IrelandSpirit wrote: »(I'd try to respond to your last query if you first answer this: Is there any evidence that the mind is physically located in the brain, and if so, where?)
It's pretty much agreed that it is the brain that gives rise to the mind, yes. Cognitive neuroscience is the study of this relationship.
No other organ in the human body has the same neural complexity that the brain has. The brain has >100 billion neurons. This kind of complexity is needed to account for what we call the mind.
I guess the best way of showing that the mind (The mind can be categorized by sensation, perception, attention, imagination, emotion, motivation, memory and many more) is part of the brain is simply observing the effects that brain injuries/ illnesses can have on a persons mind.
There's an interesting review called "Theory of mind-evolution, ontogeny, brain mechanisms and psychopathology".
Here's a quote relevant to your question:In humans, functional brain imaging studies have revealed that a homologous area of the temporal lobe is activated by observation of seemingly purposeful movements of inanimate objects (as opposed to random movements), and even when still photographs depict ‘implied’ motion. For example, such activity could be elicited by showing human subjects pictures of a discus thrower in action, whereas no such activity could be measured when the discus thrower was at rest. Activity in parts of the STS, therefore, is linked to the observation of intentional movements. Although this does not imply conscious awareness, the representation of ‘intentions’ is certainly a critical aspect of theory of mind.
Or in the paper "Exploring theory of mind after severe traumatic brain injury"Previous studies have provided convincing evidence of a deficit in the capacity to infer others' mental states in patients with severe TBI (traumatic brain injury). A range of tasks has been used to assess ToM(Theory of Mind) in the TBI population. Bibby and McDonald (2005) reported that TBI subjects performed poorly in false belief tasks, which measure the ability of someone to understand that another person can hold a belief that is mistaken. Milders et al. (2003) found impairment in the faux pas detection task. A faux pas occurs when someone say something they should not have said, not knowing or not realizing that they should not say it. False belief and faux pas tasks are considered as “verbal” tasks, in the sense that they consist in short verbal stories. Other forms of ToM tasks have been developed with a view to minimizing the verbal component of ToM performance. These tasks with significantly reduced verbal demands are usually called “non-verbal” tasks, even if they require some spared language abilities to achieve them. Such tasks have been used to assess ToM following TBI. Havet-Thomassin et al. (2006) found impairments in the character intention task (Sarfati et al., 1997 Y. Sarfati, M.C. Hardy-Baylé, C. Besche and D. Widlöcher, Attribution of intentions to others in people with schizophrenia: a non verbal exploration with comic-strips, Schizophrenia Research 25 (1997), pp. 199–209. Abstract |
PDF (668 K) | View Record in Scopus | Cited By in Scopus (85)Sarfati et al., 1997). This consisted of short comic strips which were designed to show a character performing an action motivated by an easily recognizable intention. Subjects were asked to design the correct ending that corresponded to the character's intention. Havet-Thomassin et al. (2006) and Henry et al. (2006) demonstrated that TBI subjects also performed poorly in the Reading the Mind in the Eyes Test (Baron-Cohen et al., 2001), which is based on photographs of eyes.0 -
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What force could be manipulating atoms in this way though? We have gravity, strong and weak nuclear forces and electromagnetism. No other forces have ever been observed. If such a force could manipulate atoms in the way you describe, it should be detectable should it not?
an as yet undiiscovered force - ie a spritual force - this is what i am implying - there is another level of structure underneath the physical 0 -
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