Evidence of the Afterlife Suppressed?

Torakx

Well i am still on the fence with this one to be honest.
I used to be VERY religious due to my upbringing and fairly spiritual too!
But since then i have learned alot and been woken abuptly.Now its going to take some really good convincing for me to believe in the soul or life after i pass.
I have tried to get an OBE going with meditation before i sleep but i gave up after many attempts which lead me to stay awake for ages.
Does smoking the wacky tobaccy stop this from working maybe?

Ive thought about using a ouija board but to be honest i think its been shown that its through unconcious arm movements that it works.so even if it did make sense and move i would possibly wonder was it me talking to myself!

There was russian experiments i remember hearing about where they weighed the soul after death and tried to photograph it in many ways.I dont remmeber though seeing anything that i didnt consider possible to doctor like images etc.

On the astral travel obe thing..if i did experience this how would i know if it was real of my imagination.

If anyone has ever heard of a legal or used to be legal drug called salvia i have watched people use this and they say they have experienced people in the television touching and poking there shoulder and they felt it almost enough to cause mild pain.So with that example i see that the mind can play tricks on the body to a point where you feel physically the things you imagine.
This is another stumbling block for me as it will be on my mind if i ever do have an obe or manage to astral travel.
If anyone has suggestions for getting around these obstacles im all ears

IrelandSpirit

Torakx wrote: »

Well i am still on the fence with this one to be honest.
I used to be VERY religious due to my upbringing and fairly spiritual too!
But since then i have learned alot and been woken abuptly.Now its going to take some really good convincing for me to believe in the soul or life after i pass.
I have tried to get an OBE going with meditation before i sleep but i gave up after many attempts which lead me to stay awake for ages.
Does smoking the wacky tobaccy stop this from working maybe?

Ive thought about using a ouija board but to be honest i think its been shown that its through unconcious arm movements that it works.so even if it did make sense and move i would possibly wonder was it me talking to myself!

There was russian experiments i remember hearing about where they weighed the soul after death and tried to photograph it in many ways.I dont remmeber though seeing anything that i didnt consider possible to doctor like images etc.

On the astral travel obe thing..if i did experience this how would i know if it was real of my imagination.

If anyone has ever heard of a legal or used to be legal drug called salvia i have watched people use this and they say they have experienced people in the television touching and poking there shoulder and they felt it almost enough to cause mild pain.So with that example i see that the mind can play tricks on the body to a point where you feel physically the things you imagine.
This is another stumbling block for me as it will be on my mind if i ever do have an obe or manage to astral travel.
If anyone has suggestions for getting around these obstacles im all ears

Torak, I'd strongly recommend staying away from oija boards, whatever is going on there is generally not nice for a lot of people (whether it's all 'in the head' or not) and treat salvia with extreme caution too. I don't think salvia is physically harmful, not saying you'd necessarily have any negative experiences either but I do know people who have. I'd research a little more on that, maybe do a search for Terrance Mckanna in connection with salvia and DMT. Has a lot to say on it.

Dr Craig Hogan has written a book about a technique involving rapid eye movement to induce afterlife communication, it's on his website in the OP, which I'm gonna have to get at some point, looks interesting. It's being used to treat bereavement, etc, and veterans suffering from PTSD in particular appear to benefit from it a lot. No drugs, no 'props' of any kind.

OBEs are very temperamental! I sympathise with your frustration there. At the beginning anyway, they often don't come at our beck and call and it can take a long time before you experience one. But believe me you WILL know when it happens! Persistance.

I used to get them all the time when I was a child, then sporadically, and then trained myself to induce them more or less at will. But you do kinda lose that level proficiency if you stop practising, or at least I do...

I don't have any specific technique to offer, I just used to give myself the command every night until it happens. Yes it sometimes can and does take weeks on end so you've got to be a particular kind of maniac to keep at it! But I believe there's a part of everybody's conciousness which already knows where to go.

I'd say just keep at it, sooner or later you'll get there ... also thinking about it during the day helps too.

And whatever 'level' an OBE operates on, it is from many people's experiences at very close proximity to the afterlife - very close. I could go on all night about that but personal anecdotes ... well, just about anybody who's had OBEs regularly will tell you what I mean there - it's absolutely mind blowing anyway, well worth the effort.

RachPie

To be perfectly honest with you, I'm too busy concentrating on this life to worry about any others.

It happens to all of us, all you can do is accept it. What will be will be!

mysterious

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Thanks for sharing that. You're spot on I reckon, after having an OBE you can't quite look at life the same way again - it feels qualitatively little different to our waking reality, in fact it's almost more real, 'super-real' and yes it is physical, our normal bodily senses are intact - touch, smell, taste and so on - still function, and appear to operate at heightened levels.

Yep its as real as anything else in this reality. The physical reality is just a dense state of being, its not the be all end all of everything as everything.

The spheres of existence that afterlife speakers describe sound very similar to an OBE; they find themselves in a world with all their senses and memories intact, and yet heightened, their physicality is shaped by thought ...

I call it your "third eye" its another way of seeing through reality without relying solely on your 5 physical senses. Your free to roam without the limitations of a body.

... the holodeck from Star Treck keeps popping into my head ... as an analogy, except that you're in control of what you experience rather than a computer program - nothing is pre-programmed. I think if we've (collectively) forgotten anything on this side of life, it's the meaning of 'freewill', to be responsible for our thoughts and actions.

I agree to a point, everything in this reality is pre programmed, harsh truth and reality... Everything outside phyiscal embodiment lies no rules or boundaries whatsoever. Your higher soul knows exactly what you will experience here on this world, your here to figure out why you made your choices and why you came back in this form. Its why when you die, your life goes into review and all your memories come back in a flash. Time lose its transparancy because your not bounded by time or distance any longer.

Hungover to hell and back here, I hope that makes sense, hahaha, well anyway, I don't personally like to use the word paranormal to describe these abilities - OBEs and so on. I think they're very much innately a part of everyone's inheritance and perfectly normal, only that we've by and large neglected them, much like neglecting a muscle in the body, it will atrophy in time without use...

I wouldn't worry, "normal" is more delusional. Paranormal is admitting that we are not in a normal reality. Its just an experience. Normal is just a way of trying to normalise something your experiencing when techically every experience is no greater or less than another. Same applies for my experiences in life or no greater or worse than yours.

"Normal-ism", is nonsense.

Edit: have you met anybody from the otherside in any of your OBEs yet?

I have, yes. Moved into higher states of being and other dimensions. Nothing hocus pocus about them, other than just not been in your body and linear perception does not exist. Time and distance doesn't exist either. So when you move to the other dimension, it does not effect time or state here. Its why sometimes you have dreams and it seems like it went on all night, but it actually lasted only 2/3 seconds:)

I'm not mastered at astral yet. We all have to ability to do it at wlll. But with society, programming and the abuse we do to ourselves and our wellbeing, our mind can't really project outside this thought pattern.

We tend to forget that it is thoughts that create our reality not action. Because thought creates action. So its thoughts that shape everything we see around us into a hologram by all of us interacting on this world.

I will give on example of people I met on the other side briefly. My late grandmother, a few in my soul group, a few soulmates here, various E.T groups and the Archangels.

Infact most E.T visitation is done by thought projection and telepathy.


P.S I ****inng hate being in a body. Since I've tapped into the nature of reality and now finding out who I am, the truth isn't all people assume it to be. Its why subconsciously you have many people here denying the truth, when they really just don't want to face the aspect of themselves that most of us here are facing. Our true self. Our trueself is divine and whole, light and dark as one. We are the greatest god and most evil devil within. This is just a game.

gabriellogue

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

The Reality of the Afterlife

"The afterlife is as real as this life. Volumes of research data, verified accounts of experiences, and recordings of people from the afterlife are available today. The mass of evidence testifies to the undoubtable fact that the afterlife is a reality.

However, in spite of the vast array of evidence, Western culture still lives in ignorance about what happens after a person dies. The truth was obscured first by the church that dominated Western culture until the seventeenth century, then by materialism that took hold of Western thought from the seventeenth century until today.



Both the church and materialism suppressed evidence about the afterlife because it ran counter to their doctrines. They derided or persecuted anyone who spoke of the life after this life. They continue to do so today..."



http://adcguides.com/

Nice notice..
To keep the population in ignorance is the aim.
The excuse that is used...."the population are too ignorant to receive the information".
A brilliant strategy, from the thier point of view.....and yes, there is a they!

digme

Was going back over this thread and found this tonight while searching bits and pieces google.


It's pretty extensive and very well laid out.

http://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/summary_of_evidence

IrelandSpirit

Good one Digme, thanks! looking through it now - it's a huge site!

digme

Ya, it's pretty big all right.I'm still going through it,did you find anything concrete on it yourself yet?

IrelandSpirit

digme wrote: »

Ya, it's pretty big all right.I'm still going through it,did you find anything concrete on it yourself yet?

ah, Digme, like yerself, I have already everything I need concrete for meself, just wish science/mainstream would catch up!



Good site though, still going through it - exercises they have for OBEs, will/we post when coherent and coped on

Torakx

I still cant say i believe in all this.
I have looked into why ouija boards work and it was said that works due to some sub-concious motor function.
OBE's i have watched a good few documentaries on them even one where a set of magnets are placed either side of your head and whatever they do it causes you to have OBE's
This tells me its possible the magnets cause fluid or something..maybe blood? to rush through the pineal gland causing an OBE.Which is still possibly to me an illusion of the mind/brain.
DMT could be explained as a strong type of mushroom because of the triptomine.
Astral travel i think could bem uch like OBE's just a more fun dream.
How can i prove to myself any of these are not just internal feelings or functions?
How do you know your OBE isnt a dream?Ive heard stories in hospitals about them seeing such and such and then woke up and described prioceedings in the next room but i need personal experience or proof to believe a story this big.

uprising2

Clinically Dead Boy 'Saw Granny In Heaven'
A three-year-old boy brought back from the dead after his heart stopped beating for three hours has told how he saw his great-grandmother in Heaven.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100408/twl-clinically-dead-boy-saw-granny-in-he-3fd0ae9.html

Just thought I'd throw this in here.

Flamed Diving

mysterious wrote: »

You basically left the physical body. We will all be able to do this at will when we break free from this belief system and illusionists society control.


Everything we do
Everyting we believe
Everything we Eat
Everything we drink

Keep us disconnected from our spiritual self.

The chemicals we injest, from the washing powder in our clothes, the flouride in our water, food, toothpaste, the slave society we live in, the illusion of hope, following others and not yourself, Eating junk food, drinking alchhol, to the sex and entertainment industry.

Now you could say this is all just an experience. But in that we are very disconnected to our spiritual self or are higher self. Believe it or not most children are very connected to this, but you will more than likely not remember now.


I have left the body a few times. It was unreal, and right now I have to deal with the fear of leaving my body I've lived in this for 24 years and got so used to it and its completely nerve racking leaving it because of the fear of death i have.

I'd say go for it!

Flamed Diving

bikeblues wrote: »

neither has this life been proven to be real - lets be sure about that .

this is not just my opinion, it is there for all to see in sceintific research - its a biological fact that life in THIS life is no more possible than life in an after life - unless of course some kind of intelligence ( SKOI) is behind this present life.
and I am also not religious .

physical life is just not possible , the science says so, yet life exists .
and if SKOI is behind this life , then it must exist in some other life existence outside of ours.

whether you call it it god, aliens , whatever- something had to be involved
random events did not give rise to life - it is here by design - the question is what designed it , and where does this designer exist


so another life existence must be available in some way outside of this life.

I do not see how it could be covered up as its a simple logical step of thought once you study the statistics of biology that indicate that physical life even to bacterial stage is completely and uttely impossible to create without intelligent input.

never mind that 'primeval soup' rubbish , that idea is dead in the water along time ago .
way to many contradictions to even entertain the idea that life can somehow assemble it self from this scenario.No serious biologist considers this a possible path anymore

Most biologists now consider that life arrived here from somewhere else , either by comet , dust cloud, ( and of course the 3rd option exists - deliberate seeding- but no scientist is going to entertain that scenario )
and the elephant in the room is still- life still had to arise somehow somewhere else - and yet again it is still impossible - only SKOI would know the real truth.

and I seriously doubt the RC church has a direct line to SKOI any more then the rest of us.

Religion is just a construct to control your behaviour in any case - it has no place in intelligent society

so - no cover up going on .

bikeblues wrote: »

I just want to make it clear that the current stance is that life formed over billions of years starting from simple self replicating RNA molecules in a PCR type reaction.

time is irrelevant - even if a pre RNA soup existed then the more time there is the less likely the end product could be RNA - any chemical soup such as this will not revert to higher order molecules over time
higher order molecules will degrade over time .
UV light , oxygen , etc will destroy them .

there fore - its is either not possible - or someone creamed off the higher order pre RNA or actual RNA - and put it somewhere safe

how do you factor in molecular chirality - left handed and right handed structure - in vivo ?

and
reaction reverseabilty ?

protein / amino reactions have an end product of water and are reversible - but these reactions would have had to have occured in water as a solvent - no reversible reaction will proced to an end point creating more of an end product already in abundance.( ie water )

If only there existed some natural, incremental, non-random process that directed this "creaming off", you speak of...

saintsaint

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

The Reality of the Afterlife

hi listen talk is really chep .. if you will shair some thing please do so .. ? prove it ???

digme

Glad someone dug this thread up again as i was after forgetting about it on here.After reading various bits and bobs around the net I've come to take a keen interest in quantum mechanics and conciousness.I think if you get into the science part of is there an afterlife you begin to piece things together for yourself so you can make up your own mind,or shall I say reality.
Quantum mechanics has changed my outlook on a lot of things.It may seem crazy at first or even remain so,but most of what is suggested is provable with various equations and experiments.

I think the afterlife right now is just our conciousness having no physical body to hold it back.
But i could change my mind again after i read more about various theories.

Flamed Diving

Richard Feynman (one of its greatest teachers) famously said, "If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics"

digme

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=49AEEB463EF2A566

Here's a fantastic chat on coast to coast am which was just posted on this guys youtube channel.It's really interesting and might be a good addition to this thread.

Killer Pigeon

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

The Reality of the Afterlife

"The afterlife is as real as this life. Volumes of research data, verified accounts of experiences, and recordings of people from the afterlife are available today. The mass of evidence testifies to the undoubtable fact that the afterlife is a reality.

However, in spite of the vast array of evidence, Western culture still lives in ignorance about what happens after a person dies. The truth was obscured first by the church that dominated Western culture until the seventeenth century, then by materialism that took hold of Western thought from the seventeenth century until today.



Both the church and materialism suppressed evidence about the afterlife because it ran counter to their doctrines. They derided or persecuted anyone who spoke of the life after this life. They continue to do so today..."



http://adcguides.com/

Why don't you look into the more scientific evidence that suggests that chemical alterations in the brain before death can cause the mental experiences that people who had NDE's had.

Ken_Is_Here

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Why don't you look into the more scientific evidence that suggests that chemical alterations in the brain before death can cause the mental experiences that people who had NDE's had.

But what if God made your brain and the chemical release is also by design to release the soul perhaps?

Flamed Diving

Ken_Is_Here wrote: »

But what if God made your brain and the chemical release is also by design to release the soul perhaps?

But what if your brain and the chemical release made you think that God made your brain and the chemical release is also by design to release the soul perhaps?

Ken_Is_Here

Flamed Diving wrote: »

But what if your brain and the chemical release made you think that God made your brain and the chemical release is also by design to release the soul perhaps?

Then its a very naughty chemical release.

sbsquarepants

Firstly let me lay out my stall, i'm an aetheist with absolutely no time for religion of any hue.
Do i believe in an after life? No
Do i belive in a supreme being? No
Do i believe in angels? No
Have i seen an angel? Yes

Now for the important bit, how. The answer is quite simple - drugs
If anybody wants a spirtual experience, i've one word for them - HALLUCINOGENS.
It is a known fact that as the body nears death, it is flooded by DMT. This is a powerfull hallucinogen and as such, quite unsurprisingly, causes very realistic hallucinations. There are literally dozens of chemicals that have the characteristics to do this such as lsd, mushrooms, ketamine, salvia, datura, dxm, and those are just the ones i can think of off the top of my head. Nutmeg can do it for god sake!!!
I have seen spirits, i've seen inanimate objects move and breath, i've conversed with several strange beings, i've even in one particularly wacky quarter hour period, lived an entire life as something else. These all seemed perfectly real to me at the time, hyper real in some cases, but in reality they were no more than chemical tricks i'd played on myself. The feeling after these trips that you've stumbled onto some great cosmic truth can be quite overwhelming, but nice as that would be, it simply isn't true. Unfortunately perhaps. OBE's and near death experiences are no more "real" than an acid trip.

Torakx

Thats pretty much my thoughts so far on obe/astral travel etc.
Ive learned the pineal gland does indeed contain DMT which is released in times of high stress like near death experience or forced through extreme meditation/hallucinagens.
Until i experience a few obe's and am able to test the reality of the astrlworld its going to be mostly fiction for me.
There is a small possibility their is an earth consciousness of some kind.Maybe a field or aura or something thatcan be seen or interacted with when the chemical dmt starts to doits job.
Does anyone have any info on the pineal gland and dmt?
Ive searched for documentaries but have found only one or two on the subject with google video.

Ps there are rumours going around that alot of people have been seeign the same "tree spirits" on DMT but i think this is just pre trip rumours affecting peoples subconscious ideas of the "astral world and its spirits"

digme

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Firstly let me lay out my stall, i'm an aetheist with absolutely no time for religion of any hue.
Do i believe in an after life? No
Do i belive in a supreme being? No
Do i believe in angels? No
Have i seen an angel? Yes

Now for the important bit, how. The answer is quite simple - drugs
If anybody wants a spirtual experience, i've one word for them - HALLUCINOGENS.
It is a known fact that as the body nears death, it is flooded by DMT. This is a powerfull hallucinogen and as such, quite unsurprisingly, causes very realistic hallucinations. There are literally dozens of chemicals that have the characteristics to do this such as lsd, mushrooms, ketamine, salvia, datura, dxm, and those are just the ones i can think of off the top of my head. Nutmeg can do it for god sake!!!
I have seen spirits, i've seen inanimate objects move and breath, i've conversed with several strange beings, i've even in one particularly wacky quarter hour period, lived an entire life as something else. These all seemed perfectly real to me at the time, hyper real in some cases, but in reality they were no more than chemical tricks i'd played on myself. The feeling after these trips that you've stumbled onto some great cosmic truth can be quite overwhelming, but nice as that would be, it simply isn't true. Unfortunately perhaps. OBE's and near death experiences are no more "real" than an acid trip.

How many of your senses are effected by dmt?

Killer Pigeon

Ken_Is_Here wrote: »

But what if God made your brain and the chemical release is also by design to release the soul perhaps?

Look, I think this whole thing about God has been blow out of proportion for thousands of years. This thing called 'God' or as I like to put it, the 'Primum Movens', may well, according to the logical bounds of the human mind, have existed or does still exist. This is a philosophical argument. I don't believe giving the sheer vastness of the universe, that this 'Primum Movens' would bother to have any input in the affairs of humanity. Besides, the basic building blocks of life have been shown to have developed naturally from inorganic materials in the lab (see Miller-Urey Experiment). Also, probabilistically, there might well be life (intelligent or unintelligent) in some other region of the universe.

sbsquarepants

digme wrote: »

How many of your senses are effected by dmt?

DMT? I'm not 100% sure as i've never tried it personally, but with the others all senses are effected, also things like perception of time and general understanding of how the world works, absolutely absurd concepts can seem like total eureeka moments! I would imagine that the same is true for DMT.

digme

sbsquarepants wrote: »

DMT? I'm not 100% sure as i've never tried it personally, but with the others all senses are effected, also things like perception of time and general understanding of how the world works, absolutely absurd concepts can seem like total eureeka moments! I would imagine that the same is true for DMT.

This leads me to ask you, why is that no different than what your experiencing now, in the sense of your perception of your reality.You have 5 senses exactly the same thing is going on inside a mass of meat with wires attached floating in a pool of liquid,which interprets your reality from those exact same 5 senses.

sbsquarepants

I'm inclined to agree with you up to a point. We percieve reality because of the senses we have evolved. If for example we could see in infra red, or hear ultrasound, then "reality" would be very a different place. But the fact that someone experiences a what is basically a drug fuelled hallucination, can not be taken as evidence of anything, it is concievably possible they somehow became able to sense something tangible that is normally out of our range of perception. Possible perhaps, but i think a far more likely answer is that they were just tripping!
I've done it many times, i know just how "real" it can seem.

IrelandSpirit

sbsquarepants wrote: »

DMT? I'm not 100% sure as i've never tried it personally, but with the others all senses are effected, also things like perception of time and general understanding of how the world works, absolutely absurd concepts can seem like total eureeka moments! I would imagine that the same is true for DMT.

I think you kinda nail there for me with your previous post, but just wanted to say that you have tried DMT, we've all been on a DMT trip all our lives. It's flooding around our brains, released naturally by the pineal gland.

IrelandSpirit

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I'm inclined to agree with you up to a point. We percieve reality because of the senses we have evolved. If for example we could see in infra red, or hear ultrasound, then "reality" would be very a different place. But the fact that someone experiences a what is basically a drug fuelled hallucination, can not be taken as evidence of anything, it is concievably possible they somehow became able to sense something tangible that is normally out of our range of perception. Possible perhaps, but i think a far more likely answer is that they were just tripping!
I've done it many times, i know just how "real" it can seem.

Well this is it, we've DMT produced/released naturally in the body and it might well be that we're in a huge, hyper-real drug-fuelled hallucination at this moment.

I mean, it's a kinda trippy thought in itself ... to think the the human body produces what we term a hallucinogenic drug, what the hell for? It's been a while since I've checked up on this but if i remember rightly we'd die without DMT ... I think ? Not sure about that last bit, but it's true that we're on 'time release' hit of DMT all our lives, and when our physical body dies the pineal gland releases its entire 'stash' into our brains. Hehehehe ...


(BTW, sorry to answer your posts in reverse.)

Torakx

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Well this is it, we've DMT produced/released naturally in the body and it might well be that we're in a huge, hyper-real drug-fuelled hallucination at this moment.

I mean, it's a kinda trippy thought in itself ... to think the the human body produces what we term a hallucinogenic drug, what the hell for? It's been a while since I've checked up on this but if i remember rightly we'd die without DMT ... I think ? Not sure about that last bit, but it's true that we're on 'time release' hit of DMT all our lives, and when our physical body dies the pineal gland releases its entire 'stash' into our brains. Hehehehe ...


(BTW, sorry to answer your posts in reverse.)

Afaik DMT is used by the brain to make us dream or wake( depending hwo you view reality lol).My guess is to sort and organise the ole harddrive up there and get it ready to percieve the next day.
But i guess if aliens or god wanted us to contact them biologically then that would be the way also maybe

IrelandSpirit

digme wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=49AEEB463EF2A566

Here's a fantastic chat on coast to coast am which was just posted on this guys youtube channel.It's really interesting and might be a good addition to this thread.

Thanks. Listened to that last night, it was very interesting. I personally agree with a lot of what he was saying, particularly with the idea that the Judeo-Christian religions are the biggest stumbling blocks in the US, to get evidence of the Afterlife into the mainstream .... true here too in Ireland, i think.

sbsquarepants

I wonder is that why some dreams are more realistic than others, a peak in DMT for some reason?
I don't think it's all that strange that our bodies produce a natural hallucinogen really, they occur right throughout nature, in all manner of plants, fungi and animals.
I think it's a kind of human weakness to assume there must be a reason or a guiding force for everything. Some things just are the way they are. Nature and by extension life itself is more of a facilitator than a designer, in my opinion of course!
People say the chances of all this happening by chance are so remote there has to be a designer, but i think not. I had a maths teacher who explained unlikely probabilities to us like this - Shuffle a deck of cards and then deal them out, record the sequence of cards. You can now spend the rest of your life doing this and odds are, you will never get that sequence again, because the odds of that particular sequence are so remote. But yet you still got it on your very first attempt!
The odds of us being here are remote, but take a look around, the universe is a big place and has had a lot of time to get this sequence of cards entirely by chance

IrelandSpirit

Torakx wrote: »

Afaik DMT is used by the brain to make us dream or wake( depending hwo you view reality lol).My guess is to sort and organise the ole harddrive up there and get it ready to percieve the next day.
But i guess if aliens or god wanted us to contact them biologically then that would be the way also maybe

hehe, 'depending which way we view reality', like that. Makes me think like from listening to afterlife speakers and they way they never refer to themselves as 'dead' that in some way they might see our world here as an 'afterlife' ... if that makes any sense at all! lol.

IrelandSpirit

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I wonder is that why some dreams are more realistic than others, a peak in DMT for some reason?
I don't think it's all that strange that our bodies produce a natural hallucinogen really, they occur right throughout nature, in all manner of plants, fungi and animals.
I think it's a kind of human weakness to assume there must be a reason or a guiding force for everything. Some things just are the way they are. Nature and by extension life itself is more of a facilitator than a designer, in my opinion of course!
People say the chances of all this happening by chance are so remote there has to be a designer, but i think not. I had a maths teacher who explained unlikely probabilities to us like this - Shuffle a deck of cards and then deal them out, record the sequence of cards. You can now spend the rest of your life doing this and odds are, you will never get that sequence again, because the odds of that particular sequence are so remote. But yet you still got it on your very first attempt!
The odds of us being here are remote, but take a look around, the universe is a big place and has had a lot of time to get this sequence of cards entirely by chance

Yep, gotcha. I sometimes think God is Chance ... have you read the Dice Man? Highly recommend it.

Though yes, whether or not DMT exists by chance, it exists regardless and appears to be related/responsible for OBEs and NDE, and there are many well-established traditions all through human history which attribute 'entlightenment' to the production of DMT, or the opening of the inner eye. Seems like it's there as a tool to be used and explored, at the very least ... christ, feel like running out to the headshop right now and getting some!

Killer Pigeon

Scientist have artificially created life!!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/may/20/craig-venter-synthetic-life-form

Torakx

Hail a new era of genetic patenting? Or is that already around?

Lab_Mouse

Torakx wrote: »

Or is that already around?

For years!!get with it..if lizards can do it so can we:D

saintsaint

digme wrote: »

Was going back over this thread and found this tonight while searching bits and pieces google.


It's pretty extensive and very well laid out.

http://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/summary_of_evidence

looked in to the sith you talked about ,, nothing in it ? just words an more words , when it comes to proof of sprit world one needs to walk in to a property that has dead soul in it ,, because ,,,, words words words /? just wont do it .. problem is no one can tel any one were this place is .. be cause it dose not excist .. so were stuk with words words ..

digme

saintsaint wrote: »

looked in to the sith you talked about ,, nothing in it ? just words an more words , when it comes to proof of sprit world one needs to walk in to a property that has dead soul in it ,, because ,,,, words words words /? just wont do it .. problem is no one can tel any one were this place is .. be cause it dose not excist .. so were stuk with words words ..

I've moved on from that site to quantum mechanics,your correct about the words, too many opinions, not enough evidence.

sbsquarepants

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Yep, gotcha. I sometimes think God is Chance ... have you read the Dice Man? Highly recommend it.

Though yes, whether or not DMT exists by chance, it exists regardless and appears to be related/responsible for OBEs and NDE, and there are many well-established traditions all through human history which attribute 'entlightenment' to the production of DMT, or the opening of the inner eye. Seems like it's there as a tool to be used and explored, at the very least ... christ, feel like running out to the headshop right now and getting some!

Haven't read the book, but i'll check it out.
This is kind of an important point, for hundreds if not thousands of years various holy men etc, meditated and whatnot to "open the inner eye" and so on. Now with advances in human knowledge it's achievable for everybody by just popping a pill, so to speak.
Everything becomes explainable as sufficient time passes and knowledge grows, we have even recently reached the infancy stage of purely synthethic life forms. Just because we don't understand things doesn't make them mystical or divine, we just lack the understanding FOR THE TIME BEING!
Scientists are by definition inquisitive, if there was evidence there it would have been found AND SHARED. Science is not a religion, any ambitious scientist would like nothing better than to turn an accepted belief on it's head with startling new evidence, they almost certainly wouldn't hush it up!
This conspiracy makes no sense!

IrelandSpirit

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Haven't read the book, but i'll check it out.
This is kind of an important point, for hundreds if not thousands of years various holy men etc, meditated and whatnot to "open the inner eye" and so on. Now with advances in human knowledge it's achievable for everybody by just popping a pill, so to speak.
Everything becomes explainable as sufficient time passes and knowledge grows, we have even recently reached the infancy stage of purely synthethic life forms. Just because we don't understand things doesn't make them mystical or divine, we just lack the understanding FOR THE TIME BEING!
Scientists are by definition inquisitive, if there was evidence there it would have been found AND SHARED. Science is not a religion, any ambitious scientist would like nothing better than to turn an accepted belief on it's head with startling new evidence, they almost certainly wouldn't hush it up!
This conspiracy makes no sense!

Well, if you don't get why there could be a conspiracy to suppress evidence of the afterlife, perhaps read back on this thread, and think on it a bit - the scientific community does not necessarily share its discoveries as readily as we'd like to believe.

I've been reading up on the pineal gland again recently, what Rene Descartes, called 'The Seat of The Soul' ...

But anyway, I agree it is too easy to just fob things off we don't understand in the 'materialistic' sense as 'mystical' and 'divine', and truth is, the study of conciousness is a science which has been developed over thousand of years in countless traditions across the world. Our western sciences included, going back to its inception.

caseyann

Far from a church goer or prayer or anything to do with religion am i.

I believe whole heartedly in after life.


All the stories from people i have heard over life and things that have happened in life to me and very recent.

Seeing isn't believing,believing is seeing and feeling.


What will you believe in when your family member has passed away?

saintsaint

hi great words . my man // you realy got a handle on things ? all that bla bla

caseyann

saintsaint wrote: »

hi great words . my man // you realy got a handle on things ? all that bla bla

Have you got a little problem?
Called trolling?:mad:

saintsaint

dont pretend you have any form of in sight , iv beed working in this field years .. you will have your fair shair of pain in life ,, chep words or no chep words

caseyann

saintsaint wrote: »

dont pretend you have any form of in sight , iv beed working in this field years .. you will have your fair shair of pain in life ,, chep words or no chep words

Going to try undermine and insult the loss of my family member and what i felt only few weeks ago just because you dont want to believe are you??

Work in what field exactly trolling sites and pissing on peoples beliefs because they dont factor into yours?:mad:

saintsaint

a person cant give what that person has not got , yes im talking about understanding ,,, you mess with words plaing games calling people mad /? you a what you think clean out your mind ,, an as for your silly fasess :eek::rolleyes:;):cool: hears a few

saintsaint

grow up ..

BeatNikDub

Seriously, please use spellcheck saintsaint, your posts are very hard to read.