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The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    Joe Haden failed a drug test and looks like he'll be suspended for 4 games.

    Matt Barkley, I hope you like Cleveland.

    Not to mention, there's a chance Trent Richardson's knee could be fecked also.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,741 ✭✭✭nerd69


    But that's the makings of a very good team next year if they get him


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Joe Haden failed a drug test and looks like he'll be suspended for 4 games.

    Matt Barkley, I hope you like Cleveland.

    Thats disappointing. Haden seemed like a good kid.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    It's only adderall.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    matthew8 wrote: »
    It's only adderall.


    That the same thing Tyler Sash banned for?? If so ridiculous again. Why was Haden taking it?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 987 ✭✭✭CoachTO


    matthew8 wrote: »
    It's only adderall.

    Do you know what Adderall is? Firstly it is a banned substance in most US sports and secondly one of the reasons they banned it because it is a stimulant. It increases alertness and concentration, overall cognitive performance, and decreases fatigue. And the fact it does all this it can be abused by Athletes and at a college level has been abused by Students. Another case of guys knowing and seeing other Athletes banned for this drug but yet they take it themselves. Idiots.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Fantastic read here:

    http://forum.nfluk.com/showthread.php?t=90963

    http://forum.nfluk.com/showthread.php?t=90964
    With the NFL's release of the All-22 game tape in this year's Game Pass package, the limitations of broadcast tape have been removed. With the new camera angles, it is now possible for anyone to accurately assess the play of players in the secondary on most plays.

    One of the most intriguing prospects to put under this fancy new microscope is the New York Jets All-Pro cornerback Darrelle Revis.

    Ranking Individual Matchups:
    Success here refers to receiver success rather than success for Revis.

    No. Full Name Successful Snaps/Coverage Snaps Rating
    1. Dwayne Bowe 10/19 52.6%
    2. Stevie Johnson 11/27 + 17/37 = 28/64 43.8%
    3. Brandon Marshall 7/23 + 7/22 = 14/45 31.1%
    4. DeSean Jackson 3/10 30%
    5. Wes Welker 6/18 + 3/16 = 9/34 26.5%
    6. Dez Bryant 6/25 24%
    7. Hakeem Nicks 3/13 23%
    8. Anquan Boldin 2/11 18%
    9. Vincent Jackson 4/24 16.7%
    10. Jabarr Gaffney 2/14 14.3%
    11. Jarett Dillard 1/13 7.7%
    12. Darrius Heyward-Bey 0/16 0%

    *Denver Broncos did not have a receiver with enough snaps in coverage to qualify.

    Explanation of Process:

    Qualifying plays—
    This analysis is not of Revis in zone coverage or his ability to play the run. The only plays that are taken into consideration are clear man coverage plays. Plays with safety/linebacker help are included.

    Furthermore, if receivers are not afforded enough time to get into their route, i.e. if the ball is thrown on a quick screen, that play is also not considered. Each play must have Revis in clear man coverage covering a receiver running a route.

    Failed Coverage—
    The ball does not have to be thrown in Revis' direction for the coverage to fail. This is NOT an analysis of how many completions Revis allowed, that can be found elsewhere, this is an analysis of how good Revis' coverage was on any given play.

    If Revis is not in position to make a play on a relatively accurately thrown football to his assignment, then, the play is filed under this category. Here's an example of a failed coverage as Miles Austin has created separation between him and Revis while running a crossing route:

    Screenshot2012-08-07at03.05.50_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=406&q=85

    Shut Down—
    Shut Down refers to the plays when Revis is in such good coverage that any pass sent his way would have no chance of making the receiver and almost certainly be an interception. These plays generally happen at the goal line or whenever Revis is able to lock into a receiver's chest.

    Shut Down plays also occur when the receiver's space is closed out to the point that it's impossible for him to catch the ball with two feet in bounds. This often happens when Revis appears to anticipate the route.

    Screenshot2012-08-07at03.24.48_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=406&q=85

    In Position—
    On plays where Revis is in position, it means that he's in position to make a play on the ball if it comes his direction. This is generally within arm's length.

    Screenshot2012-08-07at03.34.20_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=406&q=85


    Week-to-Week Results and Analysis:

    Week 1: vs. the Dallas Cowboys
    Total qualifying plays: 31
    Failed coverages: 10
    Shutdowns: 6
    In Position: 15

    Early on Revis wasn't trailing any receiver in particular. Once Dez Bryant made a few plays against other Jets players, Revis was moved onto him. Bryant initially had his way against Revis, losing him four times on their first eight snaps against each other. Revis appeared to be awoken after Bryant got free further down the field on multiple occasions. He was in perfect coverage for nine plays in a row against Bryant before he got another sniff of space.

    Revis only allowed him two opportunities on their final eight plays against each other. During that time Revis had an interception and shut him down completely on two other plays. Bryant was hampered by injury in the second half.

    Notably, Revis was matched up with Kevin Ogletree in coverage twice. Ogletree beat him with relative ease on both occasions with his route running. Ogletree sold the quick out route to Revis before breaking free inside. Revis gave up roughly 15 yards and one first down to the lesser known receiver. Miles Austin broke free of Revis' coverage on two of four snaps. He used the same route that Ogletree did to beat him on the first occasion.

    Week 2: vs. the Jacksonville Jaguars
    Total qualifying plays: 22
    Failed coverages: 3
    Shutdowns: 18
    In Position: 1

    The Jaguars ran a lot of outside comebacks on Revis. Not one worked, except when Revis slipped, but they continued to run them. Different class.

    Week 3: vs. the Oakland Raiders
    Total qualifying plays: 30
    Failed coverages: 2
    Shutdowns: 7
    In Position: 21

    The Raiders game plan to attack Revis was easy to see. They predominantly ran three routes: a comeback, go route and fake comeback into go route. Obviously, they were trying to use the speed advantage of Darrius Heyward-Bey, Denarius Moore and Jacoby Ford to try and beat Revis deep. However, the problem was that none of the receivers ran crisp enough routes to ever catch the cornerback out.

    A lack of diversity in route patterns and the inability of the receivers meant Revis only gave up catching opportunities twice, both to Denarius Moore. Moore once ran a successful comeback route, while benefiting from blown coverage on the other occasion.

    Week 4: vs. the Baltimore Ravens
    Total qualifying plays: 23
    Failed coverages: 3
    Shutdowns: 2
    In Position: 18

    In a prime-time setting, Revis was clued in from the start. His first nine matchups gave the receiver no room before Boldin had to fight him for position on a curl route. Boldin didn't have enough speed to consistently separate from Revis, while Torrey Smith's routes weren't good enough.

    Week 5: vs. the New England Patriots
    Total qualifying plays: 31
    Failed coverages: 9
    Shutdowns: 3
    In Position: 19

    See second game.

    Week 6: vs. the Miami Dolphins
    Total qualifying plays: 29
    Failed coverages: 8
    Shutdowns: 1
    In Position: 20

    See second game.

    Week 7: vs. the San Diego Chargers
    Total qualifying plays: 27
    Failed coverages: 8
    Shutdowns: 0
    In Position: 19

    Jackson often appeared as if he knew the ball wasn't coming his way from the moment the ball was snapped. Rarely did he run hard and Revis actually struggled more when covering Floyd. Floyd used his speed well to create separation and got free twice in three matchups.

    On one of the few plays when Jackson attacked the play at full throttle, he managed to beat the cornerback deep, but Rivers missed him with the throw. Jackson showed that he had the ability to beat Revis in multiple ways—he did so on a double move, by outmuscling him, his route running and simply with his pace deep.

    Week 8 Bye

    Week 9: vs. the Buffalo Bills
    Total qualifying plays: 28
    Failed coverages: 12
    Shutdowns: 0
    In Position: 16

    It's obvious that the New York Jets have a huge amount of respect for Stevie Johnson, at least in comparison to his teammates. Revis trailed Johnson for all but one of his snaps. Among all the fanfare about his physical size and quirky attitude, Johnson's route running is outstanding. He repeatedly lost Revis with crisp turns and sharp pivots.

    Teams often tried to run comeback routes on Revis throughout the season, nobody did it as well as Johnson. He beat him twice early on with comebacks before catching a 52-yard pass down the sideline.

    Brodney Pool had to cover for Revis who couldn't make the tackle. Johnson then used his deep threat to throw Revis off underneath by faking a sideline route before coming free to the inside (the same route Kevin Ogletree and Miles Austin used on him early in the season).

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    Many receivers throughout the season attempted to run this route on Revis. The better route-runners managed it. The first image (top left) shows Revis lined up over Johnson.

    Johnson is the only WR on the right side with Revis in single coverage across from him. As the image shows, they are just outside the hash marks. The second image (top right) shows Johnson's first step. Johnson aggressively attacks Revis' outside shoulder at the snap.

    The third image (bottom left) shows Revis' aggressive approach. His hips have turned, and he's expecting to run down the sideline with Johnson. Keep in mind, Johnson had just beat him that way for a 52-yard gain.

    Revis plays this route so aggressively that often receivers end up out of bounds with zero chance of catching the football. In this instance, however, as you can see in the image, Johnson has already planted his foot and shifted his weight to run inside. The fourth image (bottom right) shows Johnson already in flight moving inside, while Revis has just planted his foot and shifted his weight to start pursuit.

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    Revis' frustration resulted in a holding penalty. His concentration was likely a little off as Namaan Roosevelt easily beat him on the next play. Johnson came back to catch the ball over Revis down the sideline, before he was wide open on a curl route on the next play.

    Week 10: vs. the New England Patriots
    Total qualifying plays: 30
    Failed coverages: 14
    Shutdowns: 2
    In Position: 14

    This game was the perfect example of why the Patriots and Wes Welker need each other. Revis and Welker spent a lot of time together. The Patriots moved Welker around a lot causing him to be lost behind bodies and blocked by other receivers at times. Revis trailed him all over the field but lost him in the crowd more than once.

    Unlike any other game on the year, the Patriots were able to force Revis to cover for very long periods. Welker was routinely making two double moves, and on at least one play, made three adjustments to lose Revis. All of that combined with the Patriots' hurried up offense also saw Revis caught out of position at the snap on multiple occasions.

    Week 11: vs. the Denver Broncos
    Total qualifying plays: 14
    Failed coverages: 6
    Shutdowns: 1
    In Position: 7

    The Broncos stacked receivers often, and sometimes, used multiple receivers as blockers in quick screen plays. Revis played different coverage in this game to any other as the Jets were happy to sit off receivers and force Tebow to throw short passes. The Jets whole game plan was different to their typical approach as they played a huge amount of zone coverage.

    Week 12: vs. the Buffalo Bills
    Total qualifying plays: 39
    Failed coverages: 18
    Shutdowns: 0
    In Position: 21

    Johnson's route running was spectacular again. He repeatedly took advantage of Revis' aggressive style to create space inside. Revis is very aggressive with most receivers and will try very hard to push receivers to the sideline.

    Bigger, more agile receivers can take advantage of this with outside fakes before aggressively attacking in field.

    Week 13: vs. the Washington Redskins
    Total qualifying plays: 31
    Failed coverages: 6
    Shutdowns: 2
    In Position: 23

    The Redskins ran a lot of tight formations with bunched receivers to force Revis deep or make the Jets defense play zone. For that reason, and because of the quality of route-runners on the Redskins' roster, the Jets played a significant amount of zone and zone mixed with man coverages.

    Week 14: vs. the Kansas City Chiefs
    Total qualifying plays: 22
    Failed coverages: 10
    Shutdowns: 1
    In Position: 11

    Against 95 percent of the receivers in the NFL, Revis will be very aggressive with receivers to the point that they rarely are out of elbow's reach. With Dwayne Bowe, however, Revis had to change his approach. Bowe is too big, fast and agile for Revis to stick beside consistently.

    Bowe consistently took advantage of Revis' off coverage but also lost him on multiple comeback routes. With a better quarterback than Tyler Palko on the day, Bowe could have really exposed Revis.

    Week 15: vs. the Philadelphia Eagles
    Total qualifying plays: 22
    Failed coverages: 7
    Shutdowns: 1
    In Position: 14

    Outside of two early plays when Revis pressed DeSean Jackson and was spurned by his pace, he had an easy outing handling Maclin, McCoy, Cooper and Jackson.

    Week 16: vs. the New York Giants
    Total qualifying plays: 25
    Failed coverages: 5
    Shutdowns: 1
    In Position: 19

    Despite a massive day from Victor Cruz, Revis spent the day covering Ramses Barden and Hakeem Nicks. He struggled at times with the physicality of both Barden and Nicks but had no real issues.

    Week 17: vs. the Miami Dolphins
    Total qualifying plays: 28
    Failed coverages: 8
    Shutdowns: 1
    In Position: 19

    On a day when he mostly trailed Brandon Marshall, Revis got a stern test. Marshall repeatedly turned Revis while running his routes, but through a combination of his intelligence and phenomenal agility, Revis was able to stay in position more often than not.

    Marshall got free and over the middle multiple times and beat Revis deep once. The complexity of his routes and the accuracy with which he ran them gave Revis some significant trouble.

    Against average receivers, Revis often looks like he's strolling. Marshall may not have had a huge amount of success against him, but Revis appeared to be straining to stick with him.

    2011 NFL Season Total:
    Total qualifying plays: 332
    Failed coverages: 130
    Shutdowns: 46
    In Position: 156
    Revis' success rate for the season: 60.2%

    In a league dominated by quarterbacks, Darrelle Revis' dominance at the cornerback position is simply immense.

    Cian Fahey writes for the Guardian, Irishcentral and FFBLife. You can follow him on Twitter @Cianaf


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 987 ✭✭✭CoachTO


    Thats a great breakdown of Revis. I read that on Bleacher report yesterday. Looks like the same contributor also

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1287092-darrelle-revis-breaking-down-the-tape-on-the-new-york-jets-star-cornerback

    Wonder why he needs to copy and paste his own article on to the UK forum.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,225 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    i thought you could only access the ALL-22 from this seasons footage? Is it available on archived games?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭JaMarcus Hustle


    It's available on last seasons games anyway, watched a few of them. Couldn't tell you if it's there for 2010 and before.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,205 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    Bears are back tonight, oh my god. I've survived another off-season! :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭Silver-Tiger


    Tough couple of days for a Cleveland fan. Hoping Trent is alright for week 1. He should be apparently.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭Stev_o


    Tough couple of days for a Cleveland fan. Hoping Trent is alright for week 1. He should be apparently.

    Knee surgery though is something that is to be concerned about long term, how much wear and tear can it take?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Mooching around reading articles on high school football

    This Texas High school managed to raise and spend 60 million dollars on a stadium.
    They are only a High school!



    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/08/dallas-suburb-unveils-new_n_1756434.html

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    Looks fantastic, they are football mad in Texas


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Tough couple of days for a Cleveland fan. Hoping Trent is alright for week 1. He should be apparently.

    And Joe Haden facing a four game ban


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    LSU have dismissed Tyrann Mathieu for rules violations. He has broken both school and team rules. Thats all LSU will say.

    So disappointed by all of this. Was really expecting Mathieu to be a high pick in next years draft. He has the choice to sit out a year and they play his senior season if he wants to play for another top team. If he drops to a lower level he can play this year.

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8255988/lsu-tyrann-mathieu-kicked-team-violating-rules

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/47866/mathieus-selfishness-costs-him-at-lsu


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    Dammit David Garrard is injured. I was rooting for him.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,970 Mod ✭✭✭✭GoldFour4


    matthew8 wrote: »
    Dammit David Garrard is injured. I was rooting for him.

    Yup and nobody really knows how severe it is. He's getting surgery anyway. We'll find out the ins and outs on hard knocks soon anyway :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    matthew8 wrote: »
    Dammit David Garrard is injured. I was rooting for him.

    Never nice when someone gets injured but i'm happy for Matt Moore.

    He has had a pretty raw deal throughout his NFL career so far and I hope he can now keep the starting job that he earned last year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭Stev_o


    Thats probably his career over now if it's a bad one.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 987 ✭✭✭CoachTO


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    LSU have dismissed Tyrann Mathieu for rules violations. He has broken both school and team rules. Thats all LSU will say.

    So disappointed by all of this. Was really expecting Mathieu to be a high pick in next years draft. He has the choice to sit out a year and they play his senior season if he wants to play for another top team. If he drops to a lower level he can play this year.

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8255988/lsu-tyrann-mathieu-kicked-team-violating-rules

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/47866/mathieus-selfishness-costs-him-at-lsu

    Discussion going on in the College thread about it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,737 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    Real Madrid's Sergio Ramos is better then Billy Cundiff



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭UnitedIrishman


    The Carolina Panthers have signed running back Jonathan Stewart to a five-year contract extension, the team announced Saturday.

    The deal is worth $36.5 million and could reach a maximum of $42.5 million, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. It includes $22.5 million guaranteed, the source said.

    "We are thrilled to be able to extend Jonathan for five additional years," Panthers general manager Marty Hurney said in a statement. "He is a perfect fit for our organization. He is a playmaker who can make the difference in games and we have seen the impact he and DeAngelo Williams have had on our team." The Panthers added fullback/tailback Mike Tolbert in free agency during the offseason, and the plan is to use him in tandem with Stewart and Williams.

    Last July, Williams agreed to a five-year, $43 million deal that includes $21 million in guaranteed money.

    A first-round pick in 2008, Stewart is the second leading rusher in franchise history with 3,500 yards. He also holds the club record for single-game rushing yards with 206 against the New York Giants on Dec. 27, 2009.

    From ESPN.

    Is that not a ridiculous amount of money to have tied up in your backfield? Williams $21m guaranteed, Stewart $22m guaranteed. Not only that but Tolbert is there too as backup. Christ they could run from pretty much anywhere with Cam at QB too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,205 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    Ocho arrested for allegedly headbutting his wife Evelyn :(

    I feel crap now. Huge Chad fan and this is terrible to read.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-dolphins-chad-johnson-arrested-081112,0,751890.story


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭Trippie


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Mooching around reading articles on high school football

    This Texas High school managed to raise and spend 60 million dollars on a stadium.
    They are only a High school!



    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/08/dallas-suburb-unveils-new_n_1756434.html

    s-ALLEN-EAGLE-STADIUM-large.jpg
    501dc1137369e.image.jpg501dc1f31279c.image.jpg

    Looks fantastic, they are football mad in Texas

    I live about 10 minutes from this in Plano. I coach rugby at Coppel Highschool which is crazy rich as well and has an incredible stadium too


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭johnmcdnl


    (in reply to awesome high school football stadium)

    Meanwhile back in my old secondary school sheep and horses ate the grass on the field to keep it trimmed and lads practicing for Mount Everest could have came to help practice climbing with the size of a slope on the field. :rolleyes:

    It really is ridiculous how much money some high schools get in fairness but hell I'd have loved to be able to go to one all the same :cool:

    When you look at that stadium it's probably better than a good half the county GAA stadiums in this country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Pudsy33 wrote: »
    Real Madrid's Sergio Ramos is better then Billy Cundiff


    Not to be a bitch about it, but one of the most difficult things about kicking in the NFL is you're run up begins when the ball is snapped.

    Nice kick, but the time it took, the ball could well have been tipped.


  • Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭corner back 2


    Has anyone else noticed that Sportscenter has disappeared from the schedule on ESPN America. I hope this will not continue during football season. Does anyone know more pls.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭TaosHum


    Oatesy23 wrote: »

    :rolleyes:

    Hopefully its the end of him in Miami. Was never a fan of the experiment in the first.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭JaMarcus Hustle




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