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    #92
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    aDeener wrote: »
    someone living in/from ireland who has NEVER watched rte, yeah fcuking right :rolleyes:

    1) Parts of Ireland (even RoI) cant get a TV signal from RTE
    2) "Never" is irrelevent a TV licence only covers a one year period.
    3) Lots of people from Poland, Slovakia etc live in Ireland and dont watch RTE they may have dishes to get TV from their home countries.
    4) There really are people out there with no TV sets. They may or may not get to see a bit of RTE (willingly or otherwise) when visiting friends/the pub but one doesnt need a licence for that.
    5) There really are people from Ireland who DO have TV sets and can get but dont watch RTE. Most of RTE's television output is pure cack.
    Iolar wrote: »
    AFAIK Rte Player isnt in the License remit
    You might want to check up on recent broadcast legislation. I believe they may have changed this (not 100% sure)


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    #93
    aDeener
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    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    1) Parts of Ireland (even RoI) cant get a TV signal from RTE
    2) "Never" is irrelevent a TV licence only covers a one year period.
    3) Lots of people from Poland, Slovakia etc live in Ireland and dont watch RTE they may have dishes to get TV from their home countries.
    4) There really are people out there with no TV sets. They may or may not get to see a bit of RTE (willingly or otherwise) when visiting friends/the pubbut one doesnt need a licence for that.
    5) There really are people from Ireland who DO have TV sets and can get but dont watch RTE. Most of RTE's television output is pure cack.


    You might want to check up on recent broadcast legislation. I believe they may have changed this (not 100% sure)

    so in an entire year rte has never been watched by these people, again that is pure bull. stop trying to make up pathetic excuses for not paying. just man up and say your too mean to pay


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    #94
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    aDeener wrote: »
    so in an entire year rte has never been watched by these people

    In the cases of 1 and 4 well duh yeah

    In the case of 3 and particularly 2 who are you to call them liars ? Did you watch any Televizija Polska in the last year. Dont say no or Ill call you a ****ing liar etc etc....... :rolleyes:


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    #95
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,071 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Its wholly irrelevant if you don't watch RTE.

    The licence is not levied by RTE.
    It does not go to RTE in its entirity.
    That which does go to RTE also funds its radio stations
    And its transmisison network, from which its highly likely any radio you do listen to (even non-RTE) is transmitted.

    If you own a television tuner, of any description (including a cable/sat box as someone claimed weren't covered earlier), you have to pay it. Its not a large amount of money - if you can afford a TV, you can afford. Just pay the damn thing.


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    #96
    Crann na Beatha
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    #97
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    MYOB wrote: »
    if you can afford a TV, you can afford. Just pay the damn thing.

    Er. one can pick up a fairly decent TV in Lidl for a payment of around half the cost of a years TV licence.

    And a TV set is a once off purchace. A licence is an annually recurring tax. Have you never heard of anyone losing their job/falling on hard times etc ?

    And the thread seems to be more concerned with the alleged inequity/poor value/general principle of the TV licence tax rather than ability to pay. Indeed I dont believe a single poster (until now) has referred to ability to pay as being an issue (although it is for some people)
    its highly likely any radio you do listen to (even non-RTE) is transmitted
    Many radio stations dont use the RTE network (and those which do pay handsomly for the privelage) In any case the radio licence was abolished in the early seventies so radio is pretty irrelevent.


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    #98
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,071 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Er. one can pick up a fairly decent TV in Lidl for a payment of around half the cost of a years TV licence.

    And a TV set is a once off purchace. A licence is an annually recurring tax. Have you never heard of anyone losing their job/falling on hard times etc ?

    And the thread seems to be more concerned with the alleged inequity/poor value/general principle of the TV licence tax rather than ability to pay. Indeed I dont believe a single poster (until now) has referred to ability to pay as being an issue (although it is for some people)


    Many radio stations dont use the RTE network. In any case the radio licence was abolished in the early seventies so radio is pretty irrelevent.

    An €80 TV is not "fairly decent" no matter how you swing it. Most of the people on this thread gloating about not paying it have admitted to owning things costing far, far more than €80.

    There are very few radio stations in Ireland who are completely independent of RTENL's network - which radio licence or not, is funded by RTE and access given at below commercially viable rates for competiton reasons. A few local stations (including all the Dublin ones) are about all who don't use RTENL. TodayFM relies on it entirely, I believe.

    If you don't want to pay the TV licence, get rid of all TV tuners and stop moaning. Its only ever tight whingebags that complain about it. Nearly all of those that can't afford it get it free off the DSFA anyway.


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    #99
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    MYOB wrote: »
    If you don't want to pay the TV licence, get rid of all TV tuners and stop moaning.
    Why should people give up their British/Polish TV because they dont want to pay for channels they dont watch ? Why should Playstation/DVD users invalidate their display devices warranty and incur the expense of having an unused tuner removed ? And why should non tuner owners continue to face official harrasment from the licence inspectors ?
    MYOB wrote: »
    Its only ever tight whingebags that complain about it.

    Take it you would have no problem with an Irish version of the poll tax ?
    MYOB wrote: »
    Nearly all of those that can't afford it get it free off the DSFA anyway.
    Along with their free cars and houses I suppose :rolleyes:


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    #100
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,071 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Why should people give up their British/Polish TV because they dont want to pay for channels they dont watch ? Why should Playstation/DVD users invalidate their display devices warranty and incur the expense of having an unused tuner removed ? And why should non tuner owners continue to face official harrasment from the licence inspectors ?

    1: Because the licence is on having a TV, not watching RTE
    2: Because the licence is on having a TV, not watching RTE
    3: Because of the very high rate of evasion. The majority of "I don't have a TV" response are from people who certainly do. If people pay the licence when they're meant to, this will stop.
    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Take it you would have no problem with an Irish version of the poll tax ?

    Living is not optional. Television certianly is.
    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Along with their free cars and houses I suppose :rolleyes:

    Household Benefits Package. Very real, very specific.


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    #101
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    MYOB wrote: »
    1: Because the licence is on having a TV, not watching RTE
    2: Because the licence is on having a TV, not watching RTE

    Repeatedly quoting the criteria for liability a licence fee tax does not in any way address the issues surrounding the inequity of this form of taxation (or the wastefulness and frivolity of the manner in which revenue from this taxation is spent.)
    MYOB wrote: »
    Its only ever tight whingebags that complain about it.

    Resorting to cheap insults and ridiculous stereotypes is a sure sign of the strength of ones argument ?


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    #102
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,071 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Repeatedly quoting the criteria for liability a licence fee tax does not in any way address the issues surrounding the inequity of this form of taxation

    How is there *any* inequity? You own a TV tuner, you're liable for the licence fee. It is a licence for owning a TV tuner. What you chose to do with your tuner(s) is up to you.
    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Resorting to cheap insults and ridiculous stereotypes is a sure sign of the strength of ones argument ?

    Something can't be a "ridiculous stereotype" when it is, in fact, true.


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    #103
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    MYOB wrote: »
    Living is not optional. Television certianly is.

    OK then how would you be with a window tax (and dont give me "I only use Linux" excuse)
    MYOB wrote: »
    Something can't be a "ridiculous stereotype" when it is, in fact, true.

    (facepalm)


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    #104
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,071 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    OK then how would you be with a window tax (and dont give me "I only use Linux" excuse)

    Windows are essential in a building, look at the natural light requirements for office developments for instance, or the building regulations for homes.

    A TV is not essential and no amount of horrifically stupid analogies will change that.


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    #105
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    MYOB wrote: »
    Windows are essential in a building

    Havent heard of anyone ever dying from working in a windowless office ?


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    #106
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,071 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Havent heard of anyone ever dying from working in a windowless office ?

    They're still a legal requirement.

    Your arguments are getting even more nonsensical at this stage. Attempting to argue that a television tuner is equivalent to a WINDOW is about the most pathetic thing I've seen an anti-licence whinger do.


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    #107
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    MYOB wrote: »
    A TV is not essential .
    Show me where anyone in this thread has suggested otherwise
    MYOB wrote: »
    They're still a legal requirement..
    Used to work in a windowless office. Can I sue ?
    MYOB wrote: »
    Attempting to argue that a television tuner is equivalent to a WINDOW .....

    In all probability the view from my window (dense freezing fog/pitch dark) is more interesting than whatevers on RTE right now.:P


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    #108
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,071 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Show me where anyone in this thread has suggested otherwise

    You have repeatedly compared the TV to essential items - such as LIVING and a WINDOW.
    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Used to work in a windowless office. Can I sue ?

    Possibly. If you complained to your employers about ventilation or lighting and they did nothing to rectify it.

    But this is just you attempting to carry along with a stupid analogy. The TV licence is nothing like a window tax, and you know that.


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    #109
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    MYOB wrote: »
    attempting to carry along with a stupid analogy.

    Not half as stupid as implying that those complaing about ANY tax (regardless of how excessive or unfairly applied) levied on an item you arbitrairly deem to be "non essential" are "tight whingebags"


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    #110
    Buford T Justice
    Registered Users Posts: 6,251 ✭✭✭Buford T Justice


    Nah, we got those letters about the licence. It expiered in august this year.

    Had the inspector round once. he knew we didn't have a licence and said "We're not out to do people, but we'll be back in x time, so if you just have on then...."

    We did, he did, happy days.


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    #111
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,071 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Not half as stupid as implying that those complaing about ANY tax (regardless of how excessive or unfairly applied) levied on an item you arbitrairly deem to be "non essential" are "tight whingebags"

    You haven't provided an example of how a fee on owning a TV tuner is, or indeed can be, unfairly applied. You own a tuner, you become liable for the fee. End of.

    I also didn't "arbitarily deem" a TV to be non-essential, it IS non-essential. Or are you going to claim that those on here who don't have one are somehow deprived for not having one?

    And yes, someone who can afford and owns a TV tuner, can afford a computer and internet access and complains at paying a very small amount of money to avoid a court apperance *is* a tight whingebag. Those that can't afford it (and don't get one off the DSFA) aren't on boards moaning about it.


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    #112
    me-skywalker
    Registered Users Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭me-skywalker


    what does the licence cover?

    owning a tv set?
    the receiving of channels? (and if channels only the irish channels?)

    because i have a tvset i use for sky and for my xbox not sure if i would need a tv licence?


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    #113
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,071 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    me-skywalker wrote: »
    what does the licence cover?

    owning a tv set?
    the receiving of channels? (and if channels only the irish channels?)

    because i have a tvset i use for sky and for my xbox not sure if i would need a tv licence?

    Owning a TV set. You need a licence, assuming you're in Ireland and nobody else in the house already has one.


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    #114
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    MYOB wrote: »
    You haven't provided an example of how a fee on owning a TV tuner is, or indeed can be, unfairly applied. You own a tuner, you become liable for the fee. End of.

    On this and other threads Several posters have described how this tax is unfair (both inherently and in the manner in which its applied). I do not propose to repeat these points
    MYOB wrote: »
    a very small amount of money to avoid a court apperance.
    Gawd forbid that anyone would ever resort to a little civil disobedience in order in protest against an unfair tax/law
    me-skywalker wrote: »
    what does the licence cover?

    owning a tv set?
    the receiving of channels? (and if channels only the irish channels
    The former i.e. possessing (not necessairly owning) a TV set.
    me-skywalker wrote: »
    because i have a tvset i use for sky and for my xbox not sure if i would need a tv licence?

    Under the law in Ireland as it stands you are supposed to have one


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    #115
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,071 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    On this and other threads Several posters have described how this tax is inherently unfair. I do not propose to repeat these points

    Except nobody has, most certainly not you in your infracted rant you link to. You've "never heard" of people being hassled about licences for cars - clearly you've never heard of a 'Garda Checkpoint' before. Ditto gun licences are checked at hunts and the like. TVs are used in homes and businesses hence the only place to check is there.

    You own a TV, you are liable for the licence. Black and white. Nothing fair or unfair about it. The "points" you link to are whimpers about "but I only use the TV for...". These are irrelevant, its a TV.

    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Gawd forbid that anyone would ever resort to a little civil disobedience in order in protest against an unfair tax/law

    Its not unfair in the slightest.


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    #116
    K-9
    Registered Users Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    MYOB wrote: »
    Except nobody has, most certainly not you in your infracted rant you link to. You've "never heard" of people being hassled about licences for cars - clearly you've never heard of a 'Garda Checkpoint' before. Ditto gun licences are checked at hunts and the like. TVs are used in homes and businesses hence the only place to check is there.

    You own a TV, you are liable for the licence. Black and white. Nothing fair or unfair about it. The "points" you link to are whimpers about "but I only use the TV for...". These are irrelevant, its a TV.




    Its not unfair in the slightest.

    You can't win this argument!

    Its like people from ROI moaning about being clamped for road tax out of date up North! Just get your fecking car taxed then and stop blaming the authorities!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #117
    Slugs
    Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭Slugs


    Aside from the ROI and UK, what other countries require you to have TV licences?


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    #118
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,071 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Slugs wrote: »
    Aside from the ROI and UK, what other countries require you to have TV licences?

    Virtually *all* of Europe. Ours is amongst the cheaper ones too.

    In Greece they refuse to believe you could possibly not have a TV, anywhere; and chuck the licence on to your electricity standing charge!


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    #119
    Slugs
    Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭Slugs


    Cheers for clearing that up. I personally don't see the point in the licence. I mean with other licences, like for example a driver's licence, it's to show that you're a competitent driver. What're you competitent with as regards a tv, changing the channel?


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    #120
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    In the cases of 1 and 4 well duh yeah

    In the case of 3 and particularly 2 who are you to call them liars ? Did you watch any Televizija Polska in the last year. Dont say no or Ill call you a ****ing liar etc etc....... :rolleyes:

    :rolleyes:
    Back to cavan with you... Polish TV channels aren't exactly broadcast widely here you know, cop on with your stupid analogies and pay your licence fee you tight arse.


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    #121
    Agent Smith
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Havent heard of anyone ever dying from working in a windowless office ?


    When you've worked in a windowless office for 6 months, come back and tell us how depressed you felt...


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