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News and views on Greystones harbour and marina [SEE MODERATOR WARNING POST 1187]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭Honestly!


    Where's the sand?! The 1,000s of tonnes of sand the developer was to replenish the North beach with yearly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Would anyone have any objection if the developers took the sand from the north end of the South beach and moved it up to their designated "beach" just beyond the marina?

    The pier walls seem to have caused too much sand too accumulate on the south beach at this stage. The sea is much further away than it used to be. Where I used to dive in at "The Mens" up until a few years ago, there is just a tiny bit of steel handrail sticking up out of the sand, to show where the concrete diving platform used to be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭legrand


    Sisk did provide 'beach nourishment' on two occasions, the first was either in 2013 or 14, the second was earlier this year. The first lot was horrible in so far as the stones provided had no resemblance to the natural materials. It washed away within a year. The second lot appeared to be more a match but at this time most of it has been washed away. The nature of the interrupted currents caused by the marina breakwater means that we have a cliffing effect. This is and will remain a permanent feature. Sisk are obliged to carry out beach nourishment for a period of 30 years (I guess we are 3 or 4 years into that period now).

    Sand as beach nourishment will be subject the same problem (indeed I would assume would barely last 1 or 2 weather events) where high seas even back in the day could mean the beach level could loose (or gain) a metre or more. That natural cycle appears to have stopped now.

    If you visit the North beach you will find that the south end of the beach near the marina and up to where the Gap bridge used to be is probably about 2M lower than it used to be. At the north end of beach the beach level there is at least 2M higher. That status has not changed since those winter storms of 2012/13. In past years the beach level would rise and fall but the beach has not recovered and I am assuming will never recover due to the marina breakwater. In fact, even in normal weather it is no longer to possible to walk past the Gap bridge at high tide.

    Conversely, the south beach, which also used to experience different levels has remained static for at least 3 years now. I'm not quite sure if sediment is coming the north or south (others here might know). Regardless the common denominator is the breakwater in my opinion.

    I also understand the EIS stated that there should 15M of beach front (sorry can't articulate) in front of the rock armor on the north beach at mean tide - this never happened - even at low tide you can't walk in front of the rock armor.

    And the powers that be? Well, I guess they might just look at you with a vacant expression and shrug their shoulders.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,407 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    the South Beach has been increasing in size for a long time, occasionally a big storm washes it back out again, but the mens has been silted up most of the time for the last 10 years at least, and the growing sand dunes at the back of the beach are evidence that the tide never reaches up that high (in years past the sea would cover the beach completely at spring tide).

    I'm not sure why this is, and the marina may have accelerated the process, but the sand is not really similar to the material that is being washed off the North Beach - perhaps its coming from the offshore sand banks. Either way we won't be diving at the mens anytime soon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    loyatemu wrote: »
    but the mens has been silted up most of the time for the last 10 years at least, and the growing sand dunes at the back of the beach are evidence that the tide never reaches up that high (in years past the sea would cover the beach completely at spring tide).
    The last time I dived in there was about 6 or 7 years ago. Then there were a couple of years when the sand came and went. But now the accumulation of sand there seems to be permanent. There is about 30 metres of beach between the diving platform and the sea. As the North Beach recedes, the South Beach expands. And this has been happening since the piers were built.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭yesap


    What does sand replenishment mean... Is it stones to replenish what was already there or actual sand to make it a nice spot for kids in summer but that would wash away very fast... Assuming the former?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    yesap wrote: »
    Is it stones to replenish what was already there or actual sand
    I'm not sure that the size of the grains was specified, but it makes no difference anyway, because either would be washed away if that's what the wave action and currents are doing.

    IMO its probably best to let nature take its course now. The rock armour immediately north of the harbour will protect the private development. Further north a pronounced bay will form, eating into the area that was supposed to be "a linear public park" along the Cliff Walk. At some point that erosion will stop naturally because it will be so far inland of the Marina to the south and and Bray head to the north. Some kind of curved beach will then form below the cliffs, but it will be well inland of the current North Beach.

    But WCC and Sisk should get together and redress the lost swimming amenities (which existed around the old harbour and at "the mens" bathing place)

    They best way to do this would be by renovating and expanding on "The Cove" as the main swimming and diving amenity for Greystones.
    What needs to be done;
    a) Fix the handrail at the steps.
    b) Moor a wooden "Wendy" swimming platform in the cove during the summer months, similar to the one in Wicklow harbour. It provides a fun focal point for kids to swim to and congregate on.
    c) Near the steps, extend the concrete path and build a diving platform at the end of the path, facing east, where the water is deeper. This to discourage the kids from diving off the rocks halfway along the path, facing north, where its often dangerously shallow.
    d) A second set of steps down to a new sandy beach which has recently appeared on the other (south) side of the path.
    d) The small number of parking spaces left in the vicinity after the cycle lane dual carriageway was installed is hopelessly inadequate.

    All of this would only cost a modest amount of money, but would hugely improve things.

    The South Beach will always be the main sunbathing/quick dip in the sea and winter dog-walking place, but its a bit too boring and featureless for the older kids. And not quite as sheltered and safe as The Cove is, or the old harbour beach was, for young kids.

    BTW, anyone notice the grass is starting to look permanent on parts of the south Beach? I reckon in a few years time there will be a grassy walk area with sandy paths along it just inland of the beach. Similar to Kilcoole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭yesap


    That's very interesting and informative recedite... The plans for the marina development included revamping the north public beach and providing sand, I know they have done this in places and brought in locals and tourists before but very expensive (Barcelona most famously) and I would wonder if it will happen... Very tough to prevent nature taking its course also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭HappyDaze007


    that sand appeared there after the winter storms we had.. Im trying to locate the pics i have... before and after..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    that sand appeared there after the winter storms we had.
    Yes, but it used to come and go, seasonally.
    Now it arrives, but it doesn't go away afterwards.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭legrand


    Well, Sunday/Monday storm washed away much of the foreshore on the south beach. 'The Mens' is back!
    Must visit North Beach - suspect any nourishment that was added is gone too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭red_bairn


    legrand wrote: »
    Well, Sunday/Monday storm washed away much of the foreshore on the south beach. 'The Mens' is back!
    Must visit North Beach - suspect any nourishment that was added is gone too.

    I saw! I noticed that there were diggers at the end of the south beach. Is this also related to the sand from the north beach or are they working on the rock protection going towards Kilcoole?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,407 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    loyatemu wrote: »
    Either way we won't be diving at the mens anytime soon.

    well, we've established that I know nothing of the ways of sand:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭legrand


    red_bairn wrote: »
    I saw! I noticed that there were diggers at the end of the south beach. Is this also related to the sand from the north beach or are they working on the rock protection going towards Kilcoole?

    CIE working on coastal protection between Greystones and Kilcoole (wonder was an recent work undone following the storm)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭vinpaul


    red_bairn wrote: »
    I saw! I noticed that there were diggers at the end of the south beach. Is this also related to the sand from the north beach or are they working on the rock protection going towards Kilcoole?

    Diggers on south beach recently were involved in coastal protection work being carried out by Iarnrod Eireann to safeguard railway.
    As a matter of interest, the erosion on north beach is making the possibility of the railway becoming closer to the sea a real certainty. Coastal protection at this end of greystones is becoming more and more neccessary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    legrand wrote: »
    'The Mens' is back!
    Well I'm genuinely surprised at that. I wonder is it a temporary storm phenomenon, or will it be usable next summer? Still, nice to see it again :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,067 ✭✭✭Cerco


    All we need now is a new diving board 😉


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    and some balmy weather, a couple of parasols, and some cocktails....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭FirstIn


    loyatemu wrote: »
    well, we've established that I know nothing of the ways of sand:

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    Indeed. The riddle of the sands.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭pixbyjohn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭oinkely


    pixbyjohn wrote: »

    You must have gotten yourself a very tall ladder recently John ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭legrand


    So I see new block work being put in place at BJ Marine (other side of the porta-cabins).  There was a planning application last year that included a restaurant.  Wonder is that being built now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭red_bairn


    legrand wrote: »
    So I see new block work being put in place at BJ Marine (other side of the porta-cabins).  There was a planning application last year that included a restaurant.  Wonder is that being built now?

    Is the restaurant being built beside the porta cabin/Marina building or at the north end of the pier?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭legrand


    Application form was on the gate at BJ Marine porta cabins so I assume that is the location 
    Looks like they are doing some ground works too at north end of the pier - again, assume in relation to development.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,407 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    interesting they're putting in a restaurant, I've complained before that there's nowhere in Greystones you can sit with a coffee or a pint and look out at the sea (they don't like it when you bring beer into the library, believe me :pac:)

    The Beach House has been doing a roaring trade from the marina, this could put a dent in that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,602 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    See the harbour master has closed public access because of "anti social behaviour". Is this genuine anti social behaviour, or just kids playing the harbour like they've done for decades?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,407 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Macy0161 wrote: »
    See the harbour master has closed public access because of "anti social behaviour". Is this genuine anti social behaviour, or just kids playing the harbour like they've done for decades?

    Just to the North Wall? There were a lot of teenagers hanging out there during the warm weather, not surprisingly, it's out of the way with plenty of space for lots of them to hang out. A few of them were jumping into the harbour, but kids have always done that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,602 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    loyatemu wrote: »
    Just to the North Wall? There were a lot of teenagers hanging out there during the warm weather, not surprisingly, it's out of the way with plenty of space for lots of them to hang out. A few of them were jumping into the harbour, but kids have always done that.
    They're throwing in the messing with life saving equipment, but was just skeptical given the way the harbour has gone from being a genuine public amenity. I'm rarely down there now as I hate how it is, compared to how it once was, tbh!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,407 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Macy0161 wrote: »
    They're throwing in the messing with life saving equipment, but was just skeptical given the way the harbour has gone from being a genuine public amenity. I'm rarely down there now as I hate how it is, compared to how it once was, tbh!

    the square is a good addition, hopefully it can be used for some public events.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    If you've just driven out from Dundrum to have lunch with a friend aboard your expensive yacht moored in the marina, you don't want a bunch of local kids hanging about all afternoon on the pier where they can look down on you.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,811 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    recedite wrote: »
    If you've just driven out from Dundrum to have lunch with a friend aboard your expensive yacht moored in the marina, you don't want a bunch of local kids hanging about all afternoon on the pier where they can look down on you.

    If you're a working stiff who has taken two weeks off from work to go sailing on your boat (which is your summer holiday), it's a pity to start that holiday by injuring or maiming a person who is swimming in what is effectively a 'car park' for boats...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,523 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    This is what I saw on the Wicklow Alerts FB page. Sounds like a bit more than harmless "kids being kids" to me.
    ALERT - GREYSTONES AREA

    Access to the North Pier in Greystones Harbour has been closed to the public by the Harbourmaster for an indefinite period.

    This is as a result of anti-social behaviour from teenagers over the last number of weeks which included throwing life saving equipment into the water, jumping off the pier in front of moving boats, interfering with boats and aggressive behaviour which necessitated in the Gardai being called on more than one occasion.

    It is understood that there may be a public meeting to discuss the issue in the near future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Sasso


    its for the construction of a boardwalk on the north breakwater which will be completed later in the year


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    it's a pity to start that holiday by injuring or maiming a person who is swimming in what is effectively a 'car park' for boats...
    Previously they put up signs banning swimming and angling, without actually banning all public access, so this is a new restriction for whatever reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,067 ✭✭✭Cerco


    Alun wrote: »
    This is what I saw on the Wicklow Alerts FB page. Sounds like a bit more than harmless "kids being kids" to me.

    If this is true then I expect the Gardai are taking follow up action. This would of course be normal and indeed required for such tomfoolery. Such actions should not be allowed to pertain.

    If not then I would not believe this happened.

    It would be very convenient for the interested parties who have a one sided focus on the use of our harbour.

    Do not believe everything you read on FB or indeed any publication.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Sasso


    "If this is true then I expect the Gardai are taking follow up action."

    Sweet baby Jesus. What a first world problem.
    I can assure you that the very stretched resources of local constabulary are not following up on a few juveniles jumping in the water in front of a few yacht owners.

    Building work about to commence. Few complaints about teenagers. 2+2=5.
    Indicative of the Utopia we live in if all we have to complain about is misinformation about public disorder in the marine laneways.

    Gate locked. No access. Story over. Move on .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Sasso wrote: »
    Gate locked. No access. Story over. Move on .
    Not quite, there are still a few questions which it is legitimate to ask.
    You say the pier is closed to the public because the marina operators want to hang a boardwalk off the side of it.
    How long will this work take?
    When will it commence?
    Is it really necessary to close the entire pier, as opposed to putting up some moveable barriers, just along the edge of the section they are working on at any given time?
    Why start the work in the holiday season when the harbour area is at its busiest?

    I agree it would be very convenient for the interested parties who have a one sided focus on the use of our harbour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Sasso


    Harbourmaster will answer all those questions for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,602 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Alun wrote: »
    This is what I saw on the Wicklow Alerts FB page. Sounds like a bit more than harmless "kids being kids" to me.
    If it's true.
    Sasso wrote:
    its for the construction of a boardwalk on the north breakwater which will be completed later in the year
    So not anti social behaviour then?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,407 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    AFAIK the boardwalk is the last phase of the whole project, but they are about to start construction of the apartment blocks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,936 ✭✭✭LEIN


    http://www.greystonesguide.ie/the-other-side-of-the-story/

    Seems there's more to this. GG, seem determined to get to the bottom anyway!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,067 ✭✭✭Cerco


    LEIN wrote: »
    http://www.greystonesguide.ie/the-other-side-of-the-story/

    Seems there's more to this. GG, seem determined to get to the bottom anyway!

    This is a preposterous article slandering young people and indeed one in particular.
    If I were the father mentioned and photographed, I would be consulting my solicitor.
    The Gardai are the relevant authority to investigate wrongdoing not some internet blogger.
    Thank you for bringing this to our attention.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,811 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Greystones-Harbour-Marina-29JULY16-39-678x1024.jpg

    About as sensible as skateboarding around a multi-story car park...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭drake70


    Here's a link to the bye-laws for the harbour/marina (PDF) for those who are interested:

    http://www.wicklow.ie/sites/default/files/water/Bye-Laws%20Greystones%20Harbour.pdf


    6.2 No person shall, while within Greystones Harbour and Marina:
    6.2.11 Jump from the breakwaters, piers or pontoons within the Greystones
    Harbour and Marina


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    About as sensible as skateboarding around a multi-story car park...
    Maybe so, but with a bit of hot weather, its as predictable as ice cream cones :)
    I previously suggested something which would cost peanuts in the overall scheme of things, and would probably solve the problem permanently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭pixbyjohn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭legrand


    I think it's time for Sisk/WCC need to revisit their litter strategy for the harbour plaza area.   Clearly the current lot of bins are not up to the job and in general are pretty much full and over-flowing by mid-day a on any given weekend.
    The BigBelly bins have solved the litter problem between the Cove and South Beach.  I suspect these bin types would solve the issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭pixbyjohn




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