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Accountability for Kieran Byrne?

  • 06-10-2009 06:04PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭


    I'm in utter disgust with the spending spree made by our Director - Kieran Byrne. If you haven't seen the article yet, it's available here: http://www.waterford-news.ie/news/story/?trs=mhkfojeyau&cat=news

    A grand total of €157,050, enough for a 3 bedroom house in some areas in the town.

    In my class alone, while this fella has been making his boardroom and office nice and shiney - we've had one of our most important subjects dropped, due to lack of available funds for a lecturer to run it - resulting in some students wanting to defer the year.

    Where is the accountability for him?

    157,050 would have put 100+ students through college this year, but when times are hard - he felt it was betterto spice up his office instead of investing it into the college where it's much needed.

    Absolutely disgusted with this guy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭Minto


    Yea, I heard about this earlier. I was wondering why reception and the careers office had moved, but I guess it all makes sense now. As for accountability, I doubt anything will come of it. Things like this always seem to blow over and fizzle out.

    I'd imagine this whole incident really damages our seemingly never ending aspiration for university status.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,472 ✭✭✭AdMMM


    I'd imagine this whole incident really damages our seemingly never ending aspiration for university status.

    I don't see how it would damage it at all. There's no cheap way of equipping new buildings. Not that I'm for the abuse of funding, but I as far as waste goes, this is but a drop in the ocean.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    AdMMM wrote: »
    I don't see how it would damage it at all. There's no cheap way of equipping new buildings. Not that I'm for the abuse of funding, but I as far as waste goes, this is but a drop in the ocean.

    It's not a drop in the Ocean when the college removes one of our most important modules, stating that they can't fund it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    A total of €47,430 has been spent on Professor Byrne’s office, which comprises a bathroom (€7,500), flooring (€4,480), ceramic tiling (€4,000), panelling (€11,600), fireplace (€2,000), plasma screen (€500), fitted furniture (€6,000) and loose furniture (€11,350).

    Meanwhile, the boardroom, which is part of the new Tourism and Leisure Education Building, came in at €86,570. This was made up of an AV system (€10,000), a kitchenette (€ 6,250), fitted furniture, fittings, curtains (€24,000), loose furniture (€30,240), flooring (€4,480) and panelling (€11,600).

    The remainder of the Director’s office complex includes a second kitchenette (€6,250), flooring (€2,240), wall tiles (€4,260), panelling (€5,800), security and access (€2,000) and furniture (€2,500).

    Just looking at those figures makes me sick. How can somebody justify spending €24,000 on curtains??? How they ever got the go-ahead is beyond me. And a fireplace? I'd love to know was it ever used.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭west101


    Now I know what my extravagant fees are going on. this is going to cause more dissent between students and staff


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    iseegirls wrote: »
    Just looking at those figures makes me sick. How can somebody justify spending €24,000 on curtains??? How they ever got the go-ahead is beyond me. And a fireplace? I'd love to know was it ever used.

    I've heard even worse, that hasn't been printed. He should lose his job for sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,472 ✭✭✭AdMMM


    Was the €24,000 not for the furniture and fittings as well?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭Bluezar


    I'm paying 1500 fees and the college are pissing it up against the wall by spending ludicrous amounts on an office...Joke!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭2Bv¬2B


    What makes me laugh is, the buy Imacs for the Entertainment Systems course, of which they heavily promoted, and they didn't want to buy the software for it (i.e. Music development software etc)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,472 ✭✭✭AdMMM


    Bluezar wrote: »
    I'm paying 1500 fees and the college are pissing it up against the wall by spending ludicrous amounts on an office...Joke!
    Seriously, what the **** do you expect? They have a state of the art building. For some reason I don't think a trip out to the salvage shop would cut it when deciding how to kit out the offices!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    AdMMM wrote: »
    Seriously, what the **** do you expect? They have a state of the art building. For some reason I don't think a trip out to the salvage shop would cut it when deciding how to kit out the offices!

    We don't expect 150 grand+ to be spent on kitting it out, that's for sure. Especially when people are forced to drop classes because of lack of available resources for lecturers, software or equipment.

    Do you find it acceptable to waste our colleges fees on nonsense like the above?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 45 chillok


    This is an absolute disgrace. We (and alot of other courses) have to get by with free open source software because apparantly they can't afford to buy the industry standard software.

    If I contacted a company and told them what software we have experience with, in 2nd year of a degree - they would geniunely laugh at us. He's a fu[king disgrace and should get jail for this. This is stealing.

    (I'd also like to add that the fees have nothing to do with colleges, they go to the government..)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    chillok wrote: »
    (I'd also like to add that the fees have nothing to do with colleges, they go to the government..)

    Which funds the college :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,820 ✭✭✭funnyname


    Accountability is a dirty word in Ireland so i doubt he'll have to go for this Marie-Antoinette display of arrogance. As an earlier poster said it akk just fizzle out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 45 chillok


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Which funds the college :)

    I thought in WIT campus services paid for the lot. They rip us off with 2 euro coffees and then buy lovely carpets


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭alpha2zulu


    The office kitting out shenanigans are probably only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to frivolous expenditure.

    Off the top of my head the now seemingly redundant front car park barrier system, the library entry barriers that have been working for 2 days sofar this term and those prepaid WIT card machines outside the Spar in the Cork Rd campus which I kid you not have Japanese as the main onscreen language on them, would all make interesting FOI requests too I'd imagine.:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Johnnnybravo


    24k on curtains were they fukn gold plated??? I thought that was furniture an all but furniture was a further 30k and the 2nd kitchonette??? WHAT THE HELL.

    Jesus christ! I cannot believe those figures.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Johnnnybravo


    AdMMM wrote: »
    Was the €24,000 not for the furniture and fittings as well?


    Loose furniture was aparnetly another 30k, so furniture and curtains in one room 50k?? And lol at the fireplace!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭tbaymusicman


    Apparently if you call to his office in your swimming gear he will let you use the jacuzzi!!


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Just an FYI - the article headline is taking a lot more then just his office into consideration The actual cost of the the office itself does not come to the cost of a three bedroomed house. The other costs relate to the new Tourism and Leisure building.

    But yes, still a lot of money for an office. I think this was spent before the recession mind.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭shapez


    Do you think other Uni's or large businesses for that matter, in the country haven't spent large sums of money on a boardroom or office that is essentially the meeting/greeting point for VIPs when they come to their institution?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    shapez wrote: »
    Do you think other Uni's or large businesses for that matter, in the country haven't spent large sums of money on a boardroom or office that is essentially the meeting/greeting point for VIPs when they come to their institution?

    Are the same Universities cancelling classes, removing essential labs and software on account of "lack of funds"? WIT is not a university, and as such - does not have anywhere near the same amount of funds to play with. When people are leaving college due to the cancellation of essential classes - I think you'll find that our gripe is justified.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Sully wrote: »
    I think this was spent before the recession mind.


    No it wasn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭shapez


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Are the same Universities cancelling classes, removing essential labs and software on account of "lack of funds"? WIT is not a university, and as such - does not have anywhere near the same amount of funds to play with. When people are leaving college due to the cancellation of essential classes - I think you'll find that our gripe is justified.

    You may be sure they cancel classes etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭shapez


    dlofnep wrote: »
    No it wasn't.

    Yes it was. The funds were allocated by the government for that building and it's contents long before the recession started.

    I'm not trying to justify his spending at all. I personally think it is outrageous and there are all more things he got up to than just his office regarding inappropriate spending. However, other colleges and unis are the very same.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Are the same Universities cancelling classes, removing essential labs and software on account of "lack of funds"? WIT is not a university, and as such - does not have anywhere near the same amount of funds to play with. When people are leaving college due to the cancellation of essential classes - I think you'll find that our gripe is justified.

    Yes. From what I hear, there just as bad if not worse at times. Things in WIT have improved, from what I can see.
    dlofnep wrote: »
    No it wasn't.

    See below.
    shapez wrote: »
    Yes it was. The funds were allocated by the government for that building and it's contents long before the recession started.

    I'm not trying to justify his spending at all. I personally think it is outrageous and there are all more things he got up to than just his office regarding inappropriate spending. However, other colleges and unis are the very same.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    shapez wrote: »
    Yes it was. The funds were allocated by the government for that building and it's contents long before the recession started.

    The funds were allocated in 2008. It's a moot point, if the college doesn't have the funds to spend on it's students, it should not spend to that level on office equipment. There is absolutely no justification for it.
    shapez wrote: »
    I'm not trying to justify his spending at all. I personally think it is outrageous and there are all more things he got up to than just his office regarding inappropriate spending. However, other colleges and unis are the very same.

    Universities receive millions more in funding than IT's, so if we do not have the funds to spend on our students - we should not spend it on office equipment. You say you are not trying justify his spending, but you are trying to justify it by virtue of categorising it as the norm, by shared responsibility across the board with all colleges.

    This is not acceptable spending behaviour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Sully wrote: »
    Yes. From what I hear, there just as bad if not worse at times. Things in WIT have improved, from what I can see.

    Are you looking through magic glasses or something? WIT is at it's worst this year since I've started. Don't dare come on here and tell me that things have improved when I know this to be false.

    We've had one subject dropped, and were only informed that it wasn't going ahead 4 weeks into the semester - where students had to then subsequently take up another subject, after already missing a month of lectures on the said subject. (And at no fault of our course leader either - The issue went back to funds not available for the subject to run).

    Or with lecturers routinely missing classes.. Or with software and labs not setup 3-4 weeks into the semester, which resulted once again in lost work for us. All again, due to lack of funds.

    WIT is currently a sham. Some lecturers routinely miss classes, and this isn't the first year this has happened either.

    All while this Johnny come lately lives the life of luxury in his cosy office.

    It's quite categoric who's side you're on on this, and it's not the students.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭2Bv¬2B


    ^^^^^

    Agreed,


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 SeeBach


    They/He/She have the power, to do whatever they wish.... its a shame to see this happen but it will not stop


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