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Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread
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Which 5-6 character you see dominating in 2012?
I suppose it's hard to judge at the moment without a full list of changes and a few big tournaments but i think it's safe to say Akuma, Fei Long and Viper will be in that list. I'm swinging a wild guess at Cody, Yun and Zangief though as i say, everything's pretty much up in the air right now. I can't see Gouken making it up there even with all his buffs. Wouldn't mind hearing what you guys have to say about "the new top tier" seeing as everyone who reads this is more than likely going to have a much more informed opinion than me.Doctor DooM wrote: »best acronym ever
Rolls off the tongue alright
The 2012 part will get dropped after release (i hope anyway) 0 -
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chopperbyrne wrote: »It was already easy to do as half circles and the command change doesn't matter if they can just jump out of it.
U1 will still be his best Ultra.
It will be much easier to buffer now and option select.
Wake up ex run u2 will be easier too. It's a good buff.
Best Ultra depends on the match up surely.
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chopperbyrne wrote: »It was already easy to do as half circles and the command change doesn't matter if they can just jump out of it.
U1 will still be his best Ultra.
But buffering it into ex run stop, doing it on reaction to slow overheads etc etc will be 10x easier. Command change can make a difference to an Ultra, remember all the guys who flocked to bison for Ultra 2.
It now being qcbx2 means its quicker to come out, buffer and there is less chance of messing up the imput when under pressure
(which is why I use ultra1
). Im excited about it to be honest. (Im like a kid a christmas)
It also got a buff to the grab range.
If the other chap is jumping out of it your using it wrong.
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chopperbyrne wrote: »It was already easy to do as half circles
Actually the motion has to be done pretty much perfectly, if you dont hit forward both times on the HCB's you'll get Hozonto (elbow) instead or in some rare cases something totally different.
Look at NOX2's inputs at 1:46, he clearly did the motion for U2 but what comes out ?, a Hurricane kick
Doing it in the middle of block strings or after EX run stop, while possible, was a pain in the arse and as shown above, even pros drop it once in a blue moon.chopperbyrne wrote: »and the command change doesn't matter if they can just jump out of it.
True, but against people who like to press buttons, its a different story. Theres a couple of different setups where Guy players will go for a throw during run stop pressure, I had 30 games with Hound the other night and kept going for one of the easier of these setups (I was auto piloting a bit), I caught him the first time but every single time I tried it after he teched the throw. Now what happens if I go U2 instead of throw ?, if he trys to tech it he eats U2, if he thinks Im going for U2 he could jump but I could also just do nothing and punish him on the way down (course if I go for the Ultra and he neutral Jumps he can punish me). Having U1 means all he has to do is tech my throws, if I have U2 he has to guess if Im gonna throw, U2 or do nothing to bait him.
It just opens up a lot more options.chopperbyrne wrote: »U1 will still be his best Ultra.
Check out this video of me at 4:17, U1's damage scaling it horrendous and Capcom have not addressed this (yet) in the patch, and you can only combo into it in the corner. Capcom are changing its range, right now if you do FF Chain -> FADC -> U1 full screen only the first 2 kicks will connect, the change may make it so the first 4 kicks land but you don't get the cinematic at the end which is better then nothing.
U2 does 500 damage, because it a command grab ultra the only possible combo is after a focus crumple, where it scales to 499 but I think 1 point of damage is worth 200 stun
For high level players like Kiryu and Nox its matchup dependent, for mid to above average level players most go with U1 purely because of the input issues U2 has, which in my book means it has issues.0 -
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I know, but the most common way Guy can combo into that Ultra is after his final fight chain, which is 4 hits. Trust me, any Guy player will tell you the Ultra scales really badly compared to other Ultras in the game. Plus you can only combo into it in the corner, Ive just had 30 games with Araforn and I only landed that Ultra once, unless you get a dizzy or focus crumple full screen its a complete waste.
As for Rog, I dont play Rog but doesn't every 2nd or 3rd punch whiff when you do headbutt Ultra 1?, and wasnt the damage nerfed in AE ?.
Again I totally agree with you, I just think Capcom need to change Guys U1 so it either A) doesn't scale as badly, or
remains the same but can combo from full screen. I think they should buff the damage on the first 4 hits but nerf it on the cinematic part at the end so the damage output is the same when you land it raw, but it still does decent damage if you combo into it full screen except you don't get the cinematic bit at the end (like Yangs U2). 0 -
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I know, but the most common way Guy can combo into that Ultra is after his final fight chain, which is 4 hits. Trust me, any Guy player will tell you the Ultra scales really badly compared to other Ultras in the game. Plus you can only combo into it in the corner, Ive just had 30 games with Araforn and I only landed that Ultra once, unless you get a dizzy or focus crumple full screen its a complete waste.
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Yeah the FF chain kills the Ultra. It does 460 naked. Probably the most reliable way to land the ultra is to hit confirm into the FF chain, so that 2 (crouching lp/lk) then the FF chain means your looking at 6 hits before you even FADC (unless right in the corner) Im pretty sure you get something like 330ish damage. But yeah it scales to hell and is pretty hard to land outside what you mentioned and focus attack crumple.
Rog:
Jump in HP, 2x cr. lp, cr.lk, HP headbut, Juggle lk Ultra : 340ish damage. No meter needed. Thats meterless 5 hits and not full ultra yet doing similar damage.
260ish from just cr.lp x2 cr.lk, Hp headbutt juggle Ultra which is a bit ****e but easy to land. But if your doing that wouldnt you do lp dash punch into full ultra instead for 341 odd?
I dont play rog so I dont know why you would do which version but i do know Rog can land that Ultra juggle easy as hell once he lands those jabs, guy has a horrible time trying to get that Ultra landed. Also I realise the jump in HP would be adding a bit to that Ultra damage so I apologise for that.
I'd rather a 260ish damage meterless Ultra setup from a 2 hit crouching hit confirm anywhere on screen to Guys Ultra 1. But after messing around they do similar damage, just Guy has a fecking nightmare trying to land his compared to some of the cast. It kinda has the same problems Feis Ultra had in Vanilla, cept it can be combo'd fully in the corner.
It does a job, but its fecking hard to get good damage and to land it often enough to warrant it being comboable. I suppose its fast enough at 12 frames to punish a few things and the buffs to it in ae12 could change it completely.
Also I forgot to mention, Guys Ultra 1 also looks kickass compared to Rogs, so it wins in that respect.stev0knev022 wrote: »At least you have a usable ultra.
Dont worry man, your going to be Arse slamming everyone that gets in range with the new command motion
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snip.... In terms of Guy, he'll need to have setups looked into but not a damage increase......
This, its the fact every setup Guy has to land the Ultra has a silly amount of hits OR uses a lot of meter (then scales badly anyway). I'm honestly hoping that the changes in AE12 will make both Ultras more usefull. 0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9CnFrZqj_M
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