Michael Jackson's Kids

Fink Goddie

moneyman wrote: »

Words cannot begin to describe the utter tripe you have posted over the last few pages. Definitely the most uninformed, ignorant poster in this thread. So clueless it's actually frustrating. I'll go through your "points" one by one. That way, you just might be able to understand a little better. OK?

1. He was accused of child molestation. Never found guilty. Jordys father was recorded saying he was glad he had got rich off MJ and would destroy his career. Along with other evidence, it became clear it was all one big greedy money scam. The last accusation was a joke. Anyone with half a brain could see it never happened. The kid kept changing his story and even admitted to his teacher that he had made the whole thing up.
2. He didn't change the colour of his skin. You'd think by now that everyone would have copped this one. He had vitiligo, which can CLEARLY be seen on youtube in some of his performances. In the end, like the vast majority of black people who have this, he went through a depigmentation process which got rid of the rest of the colour so his skin colour wouldn't be uneven. The vitiligo would have done this anyway, just over a longer period. MJ used make-up to cover it up when he first got the disease.
3. I don't even get this point about straightening his hair. I guess Snoop Dogg and countless other black people want to be white too? Utter tripe once again. And it's bordering on racist. People can do whatever they want to their hair regardless of colour.
4. Changed his nose to look like a white man? That's special. Well done. MJ was constantly teased by his father as a child about his nose, he was nicknamed "Big Nose". This is the most likely reason he had surgery on it once he was 18, although he claims he done it to help him hit higher notes. You're clueless, once again. But don't let that stop you.
5. He never came close to dropping the baby. He held it out of the balcony for about a second, which he shouldn't have done. Doesn't make him a criminal nor a bad father, though. He was never going to drop the child.
6. Again, does it make you feel better to make things up? He never thought he was Peter Pan.

If your English and writing skills were better, I'd suggest that you go and work for The Star or The Sun. You seem to specialise in making up nonsense without doing any research.

What's worse is that you actually believe what you're saying! By any chance are you a Liverpool fan?!

You dont know michael and you dont know what is true or not either.
what i do know is what he was accused of, and what he acts like and how wreckless he was hanging his baby out on a balcony, what i'm saying is would you let your kids hang out with a man like that.

would you???? no you wouldnt.

so i said how can you defend him as a father, you cant!!!

none of us know whether he bleached his skin or not but the facts are, he had affro hair before, wore a wig to make him look like he had straight hair, combined with the fact that he made his nose smaller and his skin white and the fact that he chose a white mother to have his children would make me think he wanted to look white like Peter Pan his idol!!!

Doesnt make me racist by making an observation!!!

Fink Goddie

And obviously you read my profile so you know i'm a liverpool fan, which has nothing to do with this, just shows how rubbish your argument is LOL

Sir Molle

I think the /facepalm emote has never been more fitting.

Fink Goddie

Sir Molle wrote: »

I think the /facepalm emote has never been more fitting.

I see you still havent come up with a good argument yet :D

Fink Goddie

Anyway i'm off to Oxegen, you kids enjoy trying to argue your point.

You know i'm right.

Hard luck, laters

moneyman

Fink Goddie wrote: »

And obviously you read my profile so you know i'm a liverpool fan, which has nothing to do with this, just shows how rubbish your argument is LOL

I'm not even going to bother replying to your other argument, cause you're clearly clutching at straws. In regard to the above, I honestly didn't look at your profile. You can call me a liar if you want, but it's the truth. You're just the typical Liverpool fan (believing rubbish and being deluded).

I suppose next year is Liverpools year!

Lollipops23

moneyman wrote: »

I'm not even going to bother replying to your other argument, cause you're clearly clutching at straws. In regard to the above, I honestly didn't look at your profile. You can call me a liar if you want, but it's the truth. You're just the typical Liverpool fan (believing rubbish and being deluded).

I suppose next year is Liverpools year!

have to say,you're full of it.

the man was clearly disturbed, i don't for a second think he had a malicious bone in is body,but he was the product of a screwed up childhood and a violent father/manager.

Vitialgo usually manefests itself in pinky coloured patches, but doesn't tend to change a person's entire visage an different colour; think about it. have you ever seen another case like his?i knew a girl of Asian extraction who suffered mildly from it and it was confined to her cheeks and hands.

He also,undeniably,put his infant in danger by dangling him over a balcony....there's really no defending this behaviour of a parent,so don't bother trying.

Really now,i agree the man was a legend musically but stop trying to defend the fact that he was clearly not right in his mind and had deeply innapropriate tendances. it's making you look just as barmy IMHO.

Sir Molle

Lollipops23 wrote: »

have to say,you're full of it.

the man was clearly disturbed, i don't for a second think he had a malicious bone in is body,but he was the product of a screwed up childhood and a violent father/manager.

Vitialgo usually manefests itself in pinky coloured patches, but doesn't tend to change a person's entire visage an different colour; think about it. have you ever seen another case like his?i knew a girl of Asian extraction who suffered mildly from it and it was confined to her cheeks and hands.

He also,undeniably,put his infant in danger by dangling him over a balcony....there's really no defending this behaviour of a parent,so don't bother trying.

Really now,i agree the man was a legend musically but stop trying to defend the fact that he was clearly not right in his mind and had deeply innapropriate tendances. it's making you look just as barmy IMHO.

His vitiligo has been very well documented and is not really in question at this stage.

http://allspokentruth.blogspot.com/2009/07/michael-jacksons-skin-you-need-to-see.html

The fact that you've judged his entire fatherhood based on a stupid mistake he made once is nothing short of pathetic. Every other account of his fatherhood is that he was an exceptional father to his kids. If his parenting skills were good enough for child services and literally everyone who knew him personally, why aren't they good enough for you?

He may have been eccentric, but what's actually wrong with that? Is there something that is so inexcusable about not being entirely normal? I'd like to know what it is. Please tell me.

javaboy

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Vitialgo usually manefests itself in pinky coloured patches, but doesn't tend to change a person's entire visage an different colour; think about it. have you ever seen another case like his?i knew a girl of Asian extraction who suffered mildly from it and it was confined to her cheeks and hands.

I think it's fairly well accepted that he used makeup and later on something more permanent (he denied bleaching though) to "even" out the effects.

I knew someone who suffered from it very badly across her face. I'm sure if she had the means that Michael Jackson had, she might have done something about it too.

moneyman

Lollipops23 wrote: »

have to say,you're full of it.

the man was clearly disturbed, i don't for a second think he had a malicious bone in is body,but he was the product of a screwed up childhood and a violent father/manager.

Vitialgo usually manefests itself in pinky coloured patches, but doesn't tend to change a person's entire visage an different colour; think about it. have you ever seen another case like his?i knew a girl of Asian extraction who suffered mildly from it and it was confined to her cheeks and hands.

He also,undeniably,put his infant in danger by dangling him over a balcony....there's really no defending this behaviour of a parent,so don't bother trying.

Really now,i agree the man was a legend musically but stop trying to defend the fact that he was clearly not right in his mind and had deeply innapropriate tendances. it's making you look just as barmy IMHO.

:rolleyes:

Acacia

Not sure if this is the right place for this, but after watching the memorial service yesterday, my heart goes out to those poor little kids. I know the man was a little weird, but you heard it from the horse's mouth that he was ''the best father you could ever imagine''. I'm usually a cynical b1tch (:p) but when the young one got up on stage to talk about him, I admit I got all teary.

I hope they're well looked after.

RIP Jacko.

togster

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Anyway i'm off to Oxegen, you kids enjoy trying to argue your point.

You know i'm right.

Hard luck, laters

Hugs

Amazotheamazing

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Vitialgo usually manefests itself in pinky coloured patches, but doesn't tend to change a person's entire visage an different colour; think about it. have you ever seen another case like his?i knew a girl of Asian extraction who suffered mildly from it and it was confined to her cheeks and hands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyQvcuTJYA

walshb

Acacia wrote: »

but you heard it from the horse's mouth that he was ''the best father you could ever imagine''. I'm usually a cynical b1tch (:p) but when the young one got up on stage to talk about him, I admit I got all teary.


RIP Jacko.

So what do you expect them to say to the world,"My daddy is a freak and is a horrible parent.":rolleyes:

I saw a choreographed and staged affair and there was something lacking, sincerity, genuineness and class. It was out and out weird, as expected.

That child was well well rehearsed and I don't have anything bad to say about the children. They are just children. It's those in charge that
I would question.

Amazotheamazing

walshb wrote: »

So what do you expect them to say to the world,"My daddy is a freak and is a horrible parent.":rolleyes:

I saw a choreographed and staged affair and there was something lacking, sincerity, genuinity and class. It was out and out weird, as expected.

That child was well well rehearsed and I don't have anything bad to say about the children. They are just children. It's those in charge that
I would question.

In your opinion it was staged, to most people I've spoken to found the kid talking to be the real, moving point in a cheesey ceremony.

walshb

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

In your opinion it was staged, to most people I've spoken to found the kid talking to be the real, moving point in a cheesey ceremony.

It was simply weird and didn't come across as natural. It's the feel
I got from it. The whole damn lot of them. Out and out strange.

I compare it to say Diana's funeral and there was something natural with that, the look, the feel, the children, the attitude.

As for Jackson "being the best dad ever." How that is remotely possible when you actually look close at the guy.

Jackson to me saw children as toys, like teddy bears and he appeared to have no concept of parenting or fatherhood. They were like play
things to him and when you factor in all the crap and all the allegations, which were damning, then I cannot see how anyone could malke out that
he was a great parent?

The masking, the dangling and the plain weirdness; not parenting in
my book, and not close. The kids were like "experiments" created to
fuel Jackson's craving to be around children.

The guy is just out and out bonkers, quite possibly the most whacked out
person in history.

Add in the very strong possibility that the children are not even his, and it
is sort of creepy and wrong. Created for him, not by him. Wrong!

midlandsmissus

Sir Molle wrote: »

If I knew and trusted someone and my kids wanted to sleep over with that person where they would sleep in the same room, I would probably allow it. I've slept in the same bed as friends of the family when I was younger and it was no big deal. How is this any different?


You seem to be under the impression that Michael Jackson was sleeping with random strange kids in his bed all the time. In actual fact, he slept in the same room. Michael Jackson's room is a two floored duplex for your information. The kids get the bed, Michael Jackson slept on the floor and they had a sleep over, the way kids do the same thing. These were not random kids either. These kids and their families would have become friends with Michael over a long period of time and would have spent a lot of time together.

Also it's not like he invited them into his bed either. The kids would ask Michael if they could sleep over.

The context in which I say I would allow my children to sleep in someones bed is entirely different to the context you are imaging it in.

You seem to be under the impression that Jackson always slept on the floor. This was only what was stated in the Gavin Arvizo case.

Wade Robson and Macauley Culkin both said that they used to sleep in Jackson's bed with him in it.

Granted they have said nothing happened to them, (although a maid said he saw Jackson take a shower with a very young Robson, so it's debatable what happened), but I want to clarify the point that he did indeed sleep in a bed with young children, as stated by them.

Amazotheamazing

walshb wrote: »

It was simply weird and didn't come across as natural. It's the feel
I got from it. The whole dsamn lot of them. Out and out strange.

I compare it to say Diana's funeral and there was something natural with that, the look, the feel, the children, the attitude.

As for Jackson "being the best dad ever." How that is remotely possible when you actually look close at the guy.

Jackson to me saw children as toys, like teddy bears and he appeared to have no concept of parenting or fatherhood. They were like play
things to him and when you factor in all the crap and all the allegations, which were damning, then I cannot see how anyone could malke out that
he was a great parent?

The masking, the dangling and the plain weirdness; not parenting in
my book, and not close. The kids were like "experiments" created to
fuel Jackson's craving to be around children.

The guy is just out and out bonkers, quite possibly the most whacked out
person in history.

Add in the very strong possibility that the children are not even his, and it
is sort of creepy and wrong. Created for him, not by him. Wrong!

And yet, the kids loved him, maybe he'll revolutionise the way we view parenting.

The fact is Jackson went to lengths to protect his kids, and people who know him describe him as a good father, and now his kids have said he was a good father. You can believe what you like, but people who knew him seem to disagree with you.

The Diana comparison is a strange one, most people would agree Prince Charles is fairly off (and Diana was as mad as a hatter, throwing herself down a flight of stairs ffs), but his kids seem to love him and seem relatively normal.

The fact is you can't judge a family unit from the remove you are viewing it from.

walshb

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

And yet, the kids loved him, maybe he'll revolutionise the way we view parenting.

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Because of what? Surely you aren't basing this definitive statement on a few staged words live on tv? The speech was staged, real or not.

Maybe they did love him, I am simply saying that to be so definite in ones
assertions is a little naive.

People who knew him and were close are obviously going
to say he was a good father, but I wonder did these same people
sleep in Jackson's room? I mean, a guy like him really shouldn't have
been allowed have kids. He may have been acquitted, but most
believe the man was a pervert

Sir Molle

Jesus why do people have to keep quoting walshb? His posts make my brain hurt. The ignore feature should block out when people quote him.

midlandsmissus

Just wondering what the Michael Jackson defenders think of the following two scenarios:

1)Corey Feldman (child actor) said Michael Jackson sat down and showed him a book of male and female genitalia when he was 13, and Michael was 35. He said he is very uncomfortable looking back at it.

2)Michael Jackson's maid said she witnessed Wade Robson(dancer) aged 9 in the shower with Jackson:

She said she used a key to enter Jackson's bedroom to clean it and heard laughter. "First I thought they were playing in the bathtub or the Jacuzzi ... and I walked in, I peek in, and they were in the shower," she said. She saw their underwear on the floor outside the shower and immediately left without saying anything. Jackson's defense team quizzed her about how she could have seen anything if the shower door were steamed up, and she said she was sure she saw "Mr. Jackson and the little kid."

Thoughts?

walshb

Sir Molle wrote: »

Jesus why do people have to keep quoting walshb? His posts make my brain hurt. The ignore feature should block out when people quote him.

Your sensitivity and complete adulation will always see you fail to debate in an impartial manner. It's a shame really, you are missing out!

walshb

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Just wondering what the Michael Jackson defenders think of the following two scenarios:

1)Corey Feldman (child actor) said Michael Jackson sat down and showed him a book of male and female genitalia when he was 13, and Michael was 35. He said he is very uncomfortable looking back at it.

2)Michael Jackson's maid said she witnessed Wade Robson(dancer) aged 9 in the shower with Jackson:

She said she used a key to enter Jackson's bedroom to clean it and heard laughter. "First I thought they were playing in the bathtub or the Jacuzzi ... and I walked in, I peek in, and they were in the shower," she said. She saw their underwear on the floor outside the shower and immediately left without saying anything. Jackson's defense team quizzed her about how she could have seen anything if the shower door were steamed up, and she said she was sure she saw "Mr. Jackson and the little kid."

Thoughts?

According to some on here, that's all bollox and even if true, it's normal enough.

I ask, would MJ be approved in Ireland for adoption of children, taking into
account all the evidence? My arse!

Amazotheamazing

walshb wrote: »

Because of what? Surely you aren't basing this definitive statement on a few staged words live on tv? The speech was staged, real or not.

Maybe they did love him, I am simply saying that to be so definite in ones
assertions is a little naive.

People who knew him and were close are obviously going
to say he was a good father, but I wonder did these same people
sleep in Jackson's room? I mean, a guy like him really shouldn't have
been allowed have kids. He may have been acquitted, but most
believe the man was a pervert

I dunno man, all the allegations are as dodgy as ****. It's a big jump between saying someone is weird and saying that weird person is a pervert.

If you were worth hundreds of millions, you'd probably get a few people trying to scam you too.

I don't think the speech was staged either, why bother staging it, they already had half the world watching already? It looked pretty genuine to me.

slave1

this is all "she said, he said", is the question A or B?

A. Is he the biological father? we don't know, the color of their skin is irrelevant, we simply will never know without a scientific test
Before I move to B., all of you, assumming you are raised, say teens/20/30's+, if your father took you to one side and told you that he was not your biological father, would you suddenly come to the conclusion that he was not your father, really, I think not, I seriously think not, so I therefore suggest biological father is a technicality to a child, so..........

B. is he their father?
Paris answered this

Let the man rest

slave1

oh, meant to add re earlier posts on masks on his kids, when he was here (westmeath recording songs) for over 4 months, he was widely seen out for walks with the kids + b/guard, no masks as they were not needed, I for one am glad he apparently had a relaxing/non paparazzi break here

walshb

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

I dunno man, all the allegations are as dodgy as ****. It's a big jump between saying someone is weird and saying that weird person is a pervert.

If you were worth hundreds of millions, you'd probably get a few people trying to scam you too.

I don't think the speech was staged either, why bother staging it, they already had half the world watching already? It looked pretty genuine to me.

Hey, I have thought about that long and hard and almost want to believe it; I was and am a major Jackson music fan. I grew up istening to his music and at first I did think it was a set up, but the more and more that came out and the more that was verified, I just couldn't pretend, simply because I loved his music. The guy IMO was a pervert, plain and simple and he doesn't get a pass
from me just because I happen to think he was so so musically amazing.

As far as I am concerned, all that was buried the other night was
a pervert. Hate to say it and nearly don't want to believe it, but I do
believe it and his whole life was a damn shame.

I mean, aged 40 and having that intense an infatuation
with children and admitting sleeping with them and he did
shower with them too. Bad beef. And the parents who allowed
their young children into that environment knowing of the
allegations and talk, are every bit as bad

Amazotheamazing

walshb wrote: »

Hey, I have thought about that long and hard and almost want to believe it; I was and am a major Jackson music fan. I grew up istening to his music and at first I did think it was a set up, but the more and more that came out and the more that was verified, I just couldn't pretend, simply because I loved his music. The guy IMO was a pervert, plain and simple and he doesn't get a pass
from me just because I happen to think he was so so musically amazing.

As far as I am concerned, all that was buried the other night was
a pervert. Hate to say it and nearly don't want to believe it, but I do
believe it and his whole life was a damn shame.

I mean, aged 40 and having that intense an infatuation
with children and admitting sleeping with them and he did
shower with them too. Bad beef. And the parents who allowed
their young children into that environment knowing of the
allegations and talk, are every bit as bad

It depends on context though. When I rowed I used to shower with adults when I was in my early teens, as I imagine, did most people in sporting clubs, in that context there was nothing sexual about it. You see something sexual in Jackson's actions, but that doesn't mean there was something sexual in the actions.

I'm fairly confident, just from reading about Jackson, and some limited knowledge of rape cases, sexual abuse cases etc, that Jackson wasn't a pervert.

believe again Walsh, you know you want to!

MysticalSoul

The maid who made those claims, had been fired, so some resentment there losing her cushy job for what she got paid, could cause someone to retaliate.

Also, it is possible that MJ had Vitiligo (sp?), as look at this video of Latoya, and her skin his mixed, except she didn't hide it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8lLjazSGrg&feature=PlayList&p=B880132481EC641E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=17

walshb

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

It depends on context though. When I rowed I used to shower with adults when I was in my early teens, as I imagine, did most people in sporting clubs, in that context there was nothing sexual about it. You see something sexual in Jackson's actions, but that doesn't mean there was something sexual in the actions.

I'm fairly confident, just from reading about Jackson, and some limited knowledge of rape cases, sexual abuse cases etc, that Jackson wasn't a pervert.

believe again Walsh, you know you want to!

Well, I will say one thing, you do know how to debate in a mature and civilised manner and don't resort to the crying and moaning lke some on
this thread when you disagree that MJ was a great person.

Only MJ and those kids know exactly what went on; but whatever did go on, it was far from normal adult behaviour. I believe that he was a pervert and I think you would be in the minority, not believing.

Just too much happened and escalated for me to believe that it was
all just innocent