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    #302
    marko91
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭marko91


    Sir Molle wrote: »
    It wasn't the fact that he was a celebrity so much as it was the fact that his upbringing makes it understandable.
    exackly...imagine all of yous were born in the spotlight as a black kid being beaten by ur dad if u didnt do the dance routines to perfection and not having a childhood and everything that happened to him....was it such a crime for him to experience a childhood when he was a grown man?no it is not!...yes he was a big strange but he was also the kindest most caring man on planet earth...have some respect and stop abusing him. R.I.P MJ


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    #303
    Fink Goddie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Fink Goddie


    marko91 wrote: »
    exackly...imagine all of yous were born in the spotlight as a black kid being beaten by ur dad if u didnt do the dance routines to perfection and not having a childhood and everything that happened to him....was it such a crime for him to experience a childhood when he was a grown man?no it is not!...yes he was a big strange but he was also the kindest most caring man on planet earth...have some respect and stop abusing him. R.I.P MJ

    LOL, come on get real, Did you know him personally???

    Noone said it was a crime for him to experiance childhood when he was a grown man, but we questioned his parenting skills.

    A bit strange is an understatement.


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    #304
    Fink Goddie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Fink Goddie


    Sir Molle wrote: »
    I'm saying that you couldn't have a neighbor like Michael Jackson, unless you lived beside neverland.

    Yes you could have a neighbour 'like' MJ.
    I'm not saying the neighbour would be able to do the moonwalk, but you could have one that loves to hang out of his mickey constantly,that was accused of child molestation etc.


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    #305
    Sir Molle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 407 ✭✭Sir Molle


    Fink Goddie wrote: »
    LOL, come on get real, Did you know him personally???

    Noone said it was a crime for him to experiance childhood when he was a grown man, but we questioned his parenting skills.

    A bit strange is an understatement.

    Hold on, did you know him personally? How can you question his 12 years as a father based on one incident where he stupidly hung his youngest son over a balcony for a couple of seconds?

    It just so happens that any existing accounts of Michael Jackson's parenting skills by people who actually knew him paint him as an excellent father. Michael Jackson was investigated after the incident with the balcony in 2003 by child services and they found nothing wrong with his parenting skills.

    Who exactly are you to question his parenting?

    Fink Goddie wrote: »
    Yes you could have a neighbour 'like' MJ.
    I'm not saying the neighbour would be able to do the moonwalk, but you could have one that loves to hang out of his mickey constantly,that was accused of child molestation etc.

    Sure you can have a neighbor who was accused of molesting a child, but strangely enough there is a lot more to the man than what people have accused him of doing.


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    #306
    daveywavey08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 319 ✭✭daveywavey08


    Thank god they ain't black


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    #307
    Fink Goddie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Fink Goddie


    Sir Molle wrote: »
    Hold on, did you know him personally? How can you question his 12 years as a father based on one incident where he stupidly hung his youngest son over a balcony for a couple of seconds?

    It just so happens that any existing accounts of Michael Jackson's parenting skills by people who actually knew him paint him as an excellent father. Michael Jackson was investigated after the incident with the balcony in 2003 by child services and they found nothing wrong with his parenting skills.

    Who exactly are you to question his parenting?

    i'm saying i wouldnt leave my kids with him, wouldnt take the risk, would you leave yours with someone who thought he was peter pan, who let random kids into his bed, who was accused of child molestation, celeb or no celeb.

    would you take the risk??

    I'm not making statements like MJ was the most amazing man in the world, he was jebus himself sent to do the moonwalk for the world by the lord himself:D


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    #308
    marko91
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭marko91


    Fink Goddie wrote: »
    Yes you could have a neighbour 'like' MJ.
    I'm not saying the neighbour would be able to do the moonwalk, but you could have one that loves to hang out of his mickey constantly,that was accused of child molestation etc.


    his daughter cried her heart out on tv saying he was the best dad anyone could ever ask for...i rest my case! he has the right to raise his kids his way,he didnt hit them, he gave them anything they wanted.....i dont see you inviting dying kids over to your house for a wonderful day out, giving them 1 day of total hapiness when its maby 1 of their last days alive!...


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    #309
    Bobeagleburger
    Registered Users Posts: 45,327 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    marko91 wrote: »
    his daughter cried her heart out on tv saying he was the best dad anyone could ever ask for...i rest my case! he has the right to raise his kids his way,he didnt hit them, he gave them anything they wanted.....i dont see you inviting dying kids over to your house for a wonderful day out, giving them 1 day of total hapiness when its maby 1 of their last days alive!...

    Are you new to AH ?


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    #310
    Fink Goddie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Fink Goddie


    marko91 wrote: »
    his daughter cried her heart out on tv saying he was the best dad anyone could ever ask for...i rest my case! he has the right to raise his kids his way,he didnt hit them, he gave them anything they wanted.....idont see you inviting dying kids over to your house for a wonderful day out, giving them 1 day of total hapiness when its maby 1 of their last days alive!...

    How do you know that???

    yeh a wonderful day out and possibly molesting them in the process.

    Would you let your child hang out with a man who had child molestation allegations against him??
    Dangerous risk to take!!!


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    #311
    Sir Molle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 407 ✭✭Sir Molle


    Fink Goddie wrote: »
    i'm saying i wouldnt leave my kids with him, wouldnt take the risk, would you leave yours with someone who thought he was peter pan, who let random kids into his bed, who was accused of child molestation, celeb or no celeb.

    would you take the risk??

    I'm not making statements like MJ was the most amazing man in the world, he was jebus himself send to do the moonwalk for the world by the lord himself:D

    Well this really sums it up for me. First of all, he never thought he was peter pan. He claimed to be peter pan like and said he related to peter pan in some ways, which is entirely true. His exact words were "I'm Peter Pan in my heart".

    Would I allow my kids my kids in to the bed of any stranger? Nope.

    Would I allow my kids in the same bed as someone I knew and trusted in the same context that Michael Jackson had sleep overs? i.e. A kids sleep over I probably wouldn't mind so much.


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    #312
    daveywavey08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 319 ✭✭daveywavey08


    The man did a lot of good and I think he was a total genuis but very flawed.
    I feel that from what I've seen and read that a lot of his crazyness was put on and only some of it was real, in order to create his public persona.
    But there's no smoke without fire, guys. And anyone who thinks it's normal to share a bed with another person's kids ain't the brightest bulb on the porch.


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    #313
    Sir Molle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 407 ✭✭Sir Molle


    daveywavey08 wrote: »
    The man did a lot of good and I think he was a total genuis but very flawed.
    I feel that from what I've seen and read that a lot of his crazyness was put on and only some of it was real, in order to create his public persona.
    But there's no smoke without fire, guys. And anyone who thinks it's normal to share a bed with another person's kids ain't the brightest bulb on the porch.

    Who said it was normal?


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    #314
    daveywavey08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 319 ✭✭daveywavey08


    Sir Molle wrote: »
    Well this really sums it up for me. First of all, he never thought he was peter pan. He claimed to be peter pan like and said he related to peter pan in some ways, which is entirely true. His exact words were "I'm Peter Pan in my heart".

    Would I allow my kids my kids in to the bed of any stranger? Nope.

    Would I allow my kids in the same bed as someone I knew and trusted in the same context that Michael Jackson had sleep overs? i.e. A kids sleep over I probably wouldn't mind so much.

    Are you god damn for real? You'd let your kids sleep with Michael Jackson even though there is a CHANCE that he might molest them during his "sleepovers"?


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    #315
    Sir Molle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 407 ✭✭Sir Molle


    daveywavey08 wrote: »
    Are you god damn for real? You'd let your kids sleep with Michael Jackson even though there is a CHANCE that he might molest them during his "sleepovers"?
    Did you even read my post?


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    #316
    Fink Goddie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Fink Goddie


    Sir Molle wrote: »
    Well this really sums it up for me. First of all, he never thought he was peter pan. He claimed to be like peter pan and said he related to peter pan in some ways. His exact words were "I'm Peter Pan in my heart".

    Would I allow my kids my kids in to the bed of any stranger? Nope.

    Would I allow my kids in the same bed as someone I knew and trusted in the same context that Michael Jackson had sleep overs? I probably wouldn't mind so much.

    But you dont know and trust MJ do you, so how can you agree blindly that his kids were happy and that he was a great father.
    You wont let your kids stay in the same bed as a stranger, yet you are defending MJ who is a stranger to you, you dont know him.


    The only things we know for facts, was that the guy was strange, he hung his child over the balcony, he had allegations of child molestation made against him.

    and saying i'm peter pan in my heart is good enough for me, the man was obviously a fruit cake LOL


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    #317
    soccymonster
    Registered Users Posts: 9,553 ✭✭✭soccymonster


    My little 10 year old sister is obsessed with the jackson children. She made my mam buy like 3 papers with them on the front cover. Im still trying to find out though whats her obsession. Hmmmm..


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    #318
    speedboatchase
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    Fink Goddie wrote: »
    Yes you could have a neighbour 'like' MJ.
    I'm not saying the neighbour would be able to do the moonwalk, but you could have one that loves to hang out of his mickey constantly,that was accused of child molestation etc.


    Accused, accused, accused


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    #319
    TroyStavros
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    I prefer Robbie Williams 'Kids' myself. Great rap in it imo.


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    #320
    Sir Molle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 407 ✭✭Sir Molle


    Fink Goddie wrote: »
    But you dont know and trust MJ do you, so how can you agree blindly that his kids were happy and that he was a great father.
    You wont let your kids stay in the same bed as a stranger, yet you are defending MJ who is a stranger to you, you dont know him.


    The only things we know for facts, was that the guy was strange, he hung his child over the balcony, he had allegations of child molestation made against him.

    and saying i'm peter pan in my heart is good enough for me, the man was obviously a fruit cake LOL

    I'm not going to dignify this post by discussing this with you further. Words can express how dumb this post is.


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    #321
    daveywavey08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 319 ✭✭daveywavey08


    Yes. I see the point you are trying to make but you still basically said you'd let your kids sleep with Jacko. You talk a lot of drivel in your posts.


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    #322
    Fink Goddie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Fink Goddie


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Accused, accused, accused

    Yep accused accused accused!!! would you even take the risk of letting your children near someone who was accused of it, and who admitted sleeping with children.

    You'd be mad to, big risk risk risk to take.


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    #323
    daveywavey08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 319 ✭✭daveywavey08


    Fink Goddie wrote: »
    But you dont know and trust MJ do you, so how can you agree blindly that his kids were happy and that he was a great father.
    You wont let your kids stay in the same bed as a stranger, yet you are defending MJ who is a stranger to you, you dont know him.


    The only things we know for facts, was that the guy was strange, he hung his child over the balcony, he had allegations of child molestation made against him.

    and saying i'm peter pan in my heart is good enough for me, the man was obviously a fruit cake LOL

    Completely and utterly agree.


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    #324
    Fink Goddie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Fink Goddie


    Sir Molle wrote: »
    I'm not going to dignify this post by discussing this with you further. Words can express how dumb this post is.

    You cant argue you it thats why you wont discuss it. you know well you wouldnt let your kids near a man like him.

    yet you will defend him down to the ground because he's a celeb.

    You lost the debate my friend.
    better luck next time xx :D


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    #325
    Sir Molle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 407 ✭✭Sir Molle


    daveywavey08 wrote: »
    Yes. I see the point you are trying to make but you still basically said you'd let your kids sleep with Jacko. You talk a lot of drivel in your posts.
    If I knew and trusted someone and my kids wanted to sleep over with that person where they would sleep in the same room, I would probably allow it. I've slept in the same bed as friends of the family when I was younger and it was no big deal. How is this any different?


    You seem to be under the impression that Michael Jackson was sleeping with random strange kids in his bed all the time. In actual fact, he slept in the same room. Michael Jackson's room is a two floored duplex for your information. The kids get the bed, Michael Jackson slept on the floor and they had a sleep over, the way kids do the same thing. These were not random kids either. These kids and their families would have become friends with Michael over a long period of time and would have spent a lot of time together.

    Also it's not like he invited them into his bed either. The kids would ask Michael if they could sleep over.

    The context in which I say I would allow my children to sleep in someones bed is entirely different to the context you are imaging it in.


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    #326
    Fink Goddie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Fink Goddie


    Sir Molle wrote: »
    If I knew and trusted someone and my kids wanted to sleep over with that person where they would sleep in the same room, I would probably allow it. I've slept in the same bed as friends of the family when I was younger and it was no big deal. How is this any different?

    You seem to be under the impression that Michael Jackson was sleeping with random strange kids in his bed all the time. In actual fact, he slept in the same room. Michael Jackson's room is a two floored duplex for your information. The kids get the bed, Michael Jackson slept on the floor and they had a sleep over, the way kids do the same thing. These were not random kids either. These kids and their families would have become friends with Michael over a long period of time and would have spent a lot of time together.

    Also it's not like he invited them into his bed either. The kids would ask Michael if they could sleep over.

    The context in which I say I would allow my children to sleep in someones bed is entirely different to the context you are imaging it in.

    Its different because of what this man was accused of, and how starnge he was.

    So would you let your kid sleep over with a man accused of child molestation?? would you take that risk??


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    #327
    Sir Molle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 407 ✭✭Sir Molle


    Fink Goddie wrote: »
    You cant argue you it thats why you wont discuss it. you know well you wouldnt let your kids near a man like him.

    yet you will defend him down to the ground because he's a celeb.

    You lost the debate my friend.
    better luck next time xx :D

    I'm not your mate, and I'm refusing to discuss with you because it's not a discussion. You are horribly misinformed in pretty much all of your posts, and you draw wild conclusions based on nothing. There is literally no point in debating anything with you unless I want to make my hair turn grey.
    Fink Goddie wrote: »
    So would you let your kid sleep over with a man accused of child molestation?? would you take that risk??
    Read my post.


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    #328
    porn_star
    Closed Accounts Posts: 958 ✭✭✭porn_star


    walshb wrote: »

    Do you think those kids are his biological kids and if NO, don't you think
    it's a pretty disgusting thing to try and pass them off as his and lie to the world and to them about their history?

    Eh, what about people that adopt?! Is that disgusting!? Some people have no idea that they are adopted, thus are "passed off" as someone elses. Other people that do know, don't care and don't want to know about their history, because they see the people that adopted them as their parents, biological or not.
    The way I see it is that he was their father, he brought them up and as far as I can tell he loved them and wanted to protect them. Nobody knows what those kids know and what they've been told of their "history" or lack of mother, but considering they'd be bound to find out about Debbie Rowe, etc through the press as they got older and certainly now, I'm sure they have some idea or were told something. Nobody can say what they do and do not know, it's impossible to know what goes on in other peoples lives no matter how much media attention they get.
    I feel bad for those kids, no matter what they're life was like, good or bad, everything has suddenly changed for them and that's probably really frightening for them. Being up on stage infront of all those people was probably very surreal considering they've been hidden from the media for so long. To me in looked like Paris wanted to speak and if that was the case, she probably wanted to say something positive about her dad to try and let people know he wasn't crazy.


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    #329
    javaboy
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    Pighead wrote: »
    Post reported.

    Don't do that again.


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    #330
    Fink Goddie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Fink Goddie


    Sir Molle wrote: »
    I'm not your mate, and I'm refusing to discuss with you because it's not a discussion. You are horribly misinformed in pretty much all of your posts, and you draw wild conclusions based on nothing. There is literally no point in debating anything with you unless I want to make my hair turn grey.

    Read my post.

    Fact is you wouldnt let your kid sleep with a man who had been accused of such things unless you were mental.
    yet you defend MJ and say he was a good Father and that the kids were happy.
    You're argument is completely flawed and doesnt make sense at all.

    i didnt draw any wild conclusions, only going on facts, you on the other hand are defending a stranger because he was a celeb.

    PS you might look nice with grey hair :D:D


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    #331
    moneyman
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    Fink Goddie wrote: »
    Since when was hanging your child over a balcony and nearly dropping him a sign of a good father?
    How could someone who thinks he's Peter Pan, with the mental age of a child be a good father?

    I love the way people defend him, if he wasnt Michael Jackson and he was some man on your road who had been accused of child molestation, who changed the colour of his skin, straightened his hair, changed his nose to look like a white man, hung his baby over a balcony and nearly let it drop, thought he was Peter Pan, you'd think he was a freak.

    All because he made good music and was a celeb, all is forgiven and he was a great man.

    Words cannot begin to describe the utter tripe you have posted over the last few pages. Definitely the most uninformed, ignorant poster in this thread. So clueless it's actually frustrating. I'll go through your "points" one by one. That way, you just might be able to understand a little better. OK?

    1. He was accused of child molestation. Never found guilty. Jordys father was recorded saying he was glad he had got rich off MJ and would destroy his career. Along with other evidence, it became clear it was all one big greedy money scam. The last accusation was a joke. Anyone with half a brain could see it never happened. The kid kept changing his story and even admitted to his teacher that he had made the whole thing up.
    2. He didn't change the colour of his skin. You'd think by now that everyone would have copped this one. He had vitiligo, which can CLEARLY be seen on youtube in some of his performances. In the end, like the vast majority of black people who have this, he went through a depigmentation process which got rid of the rest of the colour so his skin colour wouldn't be uneven. The vitiligo would have done this anyway, just over a longer period. MJ used make-up to cover it up when he first got the disease.
    3. I don't even get this point about straightening his hair. I guess Snoop Dogg and countless other black people want to be white too? Utter tripe once again. And it's bordering on racist. People can do whatever they want to their hair regardless of colour.
    4. Changed his nose to look like a white man? That's special. Well done. MJ was constantly teased by his father as a child about his nose, he was nicknamed "Big Nose". This is the most likely reason he had surgery on it once he was 18, although he claims he done it to help him hit higher notes. You're clueless, once again. But don't let that stop you.
    5. He never came close to dropping the baby. He held it out of the balcony for about a second, which he shouldn't have done. Doesn't make him a criminal nor a bad father, though. He was never going to drop the child.
    6. Again, does it make you feel better to make things up? He never thought he was Peter Pan.

    If your English and writing skills were better, I'd suggest that you go and work for The Star or The Sun. You seem to specialise in making up nonsense without doing any research.

    What's worse is that you actually believe what you're saying! By any chance are you a Liverpool fan?!


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