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160 was the 60th percentile.
It appears from collated information that 160 should be approx 67/68 th percentile.
Perhaps there was a knock on somewhere.
Well done to all contributors in assisting with data presentation. I think it will be helpful to some in trying to comprehend certain elements of the system.
There is still some room at the inn for a few more markings to fill in the blankety blanks!
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ANTONEDEROAST wrote: »
To Whom It May Concern (not putting anyone down) the 100th Percentile does exist!
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Had this argument before-see locked HPAT thread and the statisticians said NO!!0 -
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ANTONEDEROAST wrote: » To Whom It May Concern (not putting anyone down) the 100th Percentile does exist!
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This is what wikipedia has to say on the matter :rolleyes:
"There is no 100th Percentile because no score can be lower than itself. Even a Perfect score would be spoken of in the 99th percentile because 99 percent of the scores of people taking the test would be lower than the perfect score."0 -
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We all have an idea of the various base entry requirements for each of the participating institutions. Will the upper points applications be highlighted? It would be interesting to view the various spreads for each med school and also to observe the variances (high and low etc), this year compared to others. There should be a "wider" and less "bunched" band as in the past because of the HPAT.
On a completely different tangent, would anyone have any idea of the percentage of students, that sat the HPAT and received enough points to do med, and will not do med (% based on all who got enough points)? I know that there are students who haven't decided on what road they will take at this particular time and their intentions would be to keep options open. Also some change their minds and circumstances and fate dictate the paths of others.
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ANTONEDEROAST wrote: »We all have an idea of the various base entry requirements for each of the participating institutions. Will the upper points applications be highlighted? It would be interesting to view the various spreads for each med school and also to observe the variances (high and low etc), this year compared to others. There should be a "wider" and less "bunched" band as in the past because of the HPAT.
On a completely different tangent, would anyone have any idea of the percentage of students, that sat the HPAT and received enough points to do med, and will not do med (% based on all who got enough points)? I know that there are students who haven't decided on what road they will take at this particular time and their intentions would be to keep options open. Also some change their minds and circumstances and fate dictate the paths of others.
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Good idea, I'll get the ball rolling
UCC: 758
On your 2nd point I'd say there must have been a good few people who got v. good HPAT's and did'nt take up a place as it was'nt their 1st choice. If you think that there was roughly 7 people fighting for a place then roughly the 86th percentile would be an average cut off. Think I'm right in saying that was about 176 points (someone correct me if i'm wrong) and the points last year were around 575/580. That would give ~730 but the average for a place in Ireland was less than 720:rolleyes:. Not sure the reason for this but the majority must have had TCD as 1st choice which is common sense really. Am just wondering how many people took up places in the UK. Any ideas?
Oh and the 100% in my opinion is, rubbish, and only if someone posts a screenshot or copy of the CAO proving it will I believe it0 -
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Why do first time Leaving Certs not realise new system much fairer to them
Can I repeat myself-from other hpat thread but importantQuote:
Originally Posted by Carsinian Thau
That too.
I wonder if it could be said that the number of repeat students created the points race to begin with?
I know that almost all the repeat students in my year came in on 590/600 which probably made it that bit harder for the people doing it for the first time and who weren't able to get such high points.[/QUOTE
First time LC getting into medicine have increased from 59% in 2008 to 83% in 2009!!!!!!
Does anyone know the % of first time LC doing the LC???
in fact it is just over 90%!!!
you have to matriculate now and bring your points as people know- despite all the arguments surely the above is fairer??
In 2008 and before new system that meant 41% of places went to Repeat LC and in some cases I know 16% of admissions were on their 3rd LC!!!!
Certainly shows stamina and persistence but was it a level Playing field-I don't think so>
I don"t know shy people call HPAT an "aptitude" test. It is a psychometric intelligence test at speed with only Section 2 any resemblance to medicine!
We can argue all day about LC and new system but was a system where 90% of the students ie first time LC were only getting 59% of places fair???
Now they get 83%- less than their numbers but a 24% improvement.
With so much (understandable) fuss about an 8% swing in favour of men why does this point never get the coverage it deserves??
And this favours first time LC male AND female!!
but I suppose First time Leaving Certs -
aren't as clearly identified group as male or female
Maybe like me until these figures were published THEY DIDN'T KNOW!!!
.....drrkpd........you certainly can repeat yourself for me in any case!
You make sense along with some previous contributors. Is there any journalist or scribe out there that can collate this somewhat complex material, analyse it, and publish findings. FOI requests have been successfully conducted for much lesser tasks. There are still a lot of areas to be addressed to assist with the strengths and weaknesses of this topic.
If we continue the way we're going we will have a "skeleton" framework document prepared for someone who will need to doctor and dress it up a little!!!
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So do I, and I certainly don't have 20/20 vision!
Maybe screens have just improved since then, Antone?
I certainly wouldn't take offense either (nothing to take offense to!) but I do find it annoying / difficult to read.
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Has anyone else registered for Med in NUIG? I'm registering currently, and the Curriculum Summary is basically telling me that I'm doing First Year Med this year. I'm a tad confused because I only did one science subject for the LC so technically I should be doing Pre-Med!... Is this a mistake or something?? 0
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Mind if I come along? I'm going into sixth year but maybe ye could give me a few tips for the LC (and the whole HPAT shenanigans) in person!UnDeNiAbLe wrote: »guys we should definatly have tht nui galway boardsie meet-up! it,ll be so cool......any1 agree? 0 -
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