IMPORTANT INFO RE SWINE FLU

samson09

It's not often that I read a story and get really freaked out. Maybe this woman isnt 100% correct, but she's on the right track. Make what ye want of it, but something is definitely rotten in the state of Denmark.


Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder

As the anticipated July release date for Baxter's A/H1N1 flu pandemic vaccine approaches, an Austrian investigative journalist is warning the world that the greatest crime in the history of humanity is underway. Jane Burgermeister has recently filed criminal charges with the FBI against the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations (UN), and several of the highest ranking government and corporate officials concerning bioterrorism and attempts to commit mass murder. She has also prepared an injunction against forced vaccination which is being filed in America. These actions follow her charges filed in April against Baxter AG and Avir Green Hills Biotechnology of Austria for producing contaminated bird flu vaccine, alleging this was a deliberate act to cause and profit from a pandemic.

http://www.naturalnews.com/026503_pandemic_swine_flu_bioterrorism.html

bleg

i bet my house it's thrown out of court

nyarlothothep

it's all coming together.

Reminds me of the two lads in America who tried to sue CERN to stop them from turning on the LHC.
Maybe they're 100% correct.

humanji

bleg wrote: »

i bet my house it's thrown out of court

And also that the "evidence" isn't evidence of anythign at all.

This is just a publicity stunt for her cause. I'd be curious to see who her financial backers are. And I wonder when her book will come out...

samson09

bleg wrote: »

i bet my house it's thrown out of court

You're probably right!

It's encouraging to see people making a stand though, and at the very least it will raise awareness about the subject.

Personally I find the whole issue of FEMA camps and mass graves a bit far fetched but who knows?!

DubTony

She's accusing Barack Obama and announcing FEMA prison camps. I'd say this is a dead duck already.

You really have to consider that if she was trying to make a strong case, she'd leave out POTUS, and most of the NWO stuff. This looks like a catch-all case to raise awareness more than anything else. But it looks to be way too much. Expect the label "crackpot" to be thrown around a lot.

Although, what a cool way to spread disinformation :eek:

bleg

samson09 wrote: »

You're probably right!

It's encouraging to see people making a stand though, and at the very least it will raise awareness about the subject.

not really, if any idiot is mad enough to actually believe her they might end up doing serious damage to their health...

I'm all for people making a stand so long as they have morals/evidence to back up their claims.

DubTony

In fairness, we don't know what "evidence" the woman has. But it had better be more than "They're all Bilderbergers" to get past even the most open minded judge.

samson09

bleg wrote: »

not really, if any idiot is mad enough to actually believe her they might end up doing serious damage to their health...

I'm all for people making a stand so long as they have morals/evidence to back up their claims.

Apparently she has a significant amount of evidence, I havent seen it but I'm looking into it further. I agree that some of the stuff she says seems a bit far fetched i.e. fema camps, mass graves and inclusion of Barrack Obama.

Just out of interest, what "serious damage" to ones health are you talking about here?

derry

The girl is a Irish/Austrian girl.As she is a journalist reporting on many subjects mostly renewable power for Europe so maybe she knows where to hit the NWO in the nuts and force them to fall down from a direct hit to the sore spot .

Best of luck but not much time left the swine flu seems to be a type which is rapidly changing and due to its contant changing means there will never be a VACCINE that can catch up to it as every vaccine will be out of date.

As long as it doesnt change to anything more severe than a mild flu then there is only the problem to get sick for a few days, but if it changes to something nasty then it looks to be a vaccine proof bio wheoponised virus that might even kill the NWO who made the release of this bio wheapon as the vaccines the NWO would have developed might not be able to cope with the newwer versions of the virus

Time will tell which it will be

Derry

nyarlothothep

Thought I'd post this up for your perusal.

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1160-Paranoid-Rantings.html

derry

Found the info that indicates the Mexico swine flu virus is bio wheaopinzied to be vaccine resistant as in keeps changing form to fast to develop suitable vaccines against it .

http://info-wars.org/?p=3129

Derry

thecommander

derry wrote: »

Found the info that indicates the Mexico swine flu virus is bio wheaopinzied to be vaccine resistant as in keeps changing form to fast to develop suitable vaccines against it .

What's the point in making a bioweapon thats not very effective? The mortality rate is very low compare to other proven bioweapons.

Dont forget, its a flu. All flus mutate rapidly, so this one isn't that different in that respect to the ones before it.

samson09

Just received this from a friend, I would encourage anyone interested in this to download and save a copy asap.

http://rense.com/general86/lat.htm

The 173 page word Word document is available to download near the top of the page.

Enjoy

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Here is a list of the "contents" Submitted: FBI OFFICER EMBASSY OF THE UNITED STATES Boltzmanngasse 16 A-1090 Vienna Austria Date: June 10, 2009 Contents I. Introduction: Summary of Claims II. Factual Background III. Evidence the "swine flu" vaccines are bioweapons IV. Scientific evidence the "swine flu" virus is an artificial (genetically engineered) virus. V. Scientific evidence the "swine flu" was bioengineered to resemble the Spanish flu killer virus of 1918. VI. Genome sequence of the "swine flu" VII. Evidence as to deliberate release of the "swine flu" virus in Mexico VIII. Evidence as to the involvement of President Obama IX. Evidence as to the role of Baxter and WHO in producing and releasing pandemic virus material in Austria. X. Evidence Baxter is an element in a covert bioweapons network. XI. Evidence Baxter has deliberately contamined drugs. XII. Evidence Novartis is using vaccines as bioweapons. XIII. Evidence as to the WHO's role in the bioweapons program: supplier of the bird flu virus to Baxter XIV. Evidence as to WHO's manipulation of disease data in order to justify declaring a Pandemic Level 6 in order to seize control of the USA. XV. Evidence as to FDA's role in covering up the bioweapons program XVI. Evidence as to the Canada's National Microbiology Labs role in the bioweapons program XVI. Evidence of the involvement of scientists working for the UK's NIBSC, and the CDC in engineering the swine flu. XVII. Evidence vaccinations caused the Spanish killer flu of 1918. XVIII. Precedents: the abandoned swine flu mass vaccination program of 1976 XIX. Inadequate performance of the government in stopping the spread of the swine flu as cover for spreading a pandemic XX. Evidence as to manipulation of the legal framework to allow mass murder with impunity XXII. Constitutional issues: the legality v. Illegality of jeopardising the Life, health and "public good" by mass vaccinations XXI. The Issue of immunity and compensation as evidence of intent to commit a crime XXII. Evidence as to the use of chemtrails for population reduction XXIII. Evidence as to the existence of an international corporate crime syndicate XXIV. Evidence as to the existence of the "Illuminati" XXV. Evidence of the Illuminati's involvement in the current collapse of the world's financial system XXVI. Evidence as to the depopulation agenda of the Illuminati/Bilderbergs and their involvement in the engineering and release of the artificial "swine flu" virus XXVII. Evidence as to the Genocide Agenda by means of Weaponised Flu being discussed at the annual Bilderberg meeting in Athens from May 14-17, 2009 XXXVIII. Conclusion XXIX. Defendants XXX. Attachments - Criminal Charges filed against Baxter and WHO i.a. in Austria - Criminal Charges filed against Baxter and WHO i.a. in Switzerland - Parliamentary answers to the Baxter incident - Excerpt: Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989 [SIZE=+1][/SIZE]

polishpaddy

If she actually has evidence- expect news she was killed in a car crash very soon, Or commited suicide..

But the thing is she doesn't seem to actually have much evidence at all.

Her first piece of evidence:

The United States bars the export of vaccines for the bird flu, smallpox, yellow fever, and many other pathogens to five countries classified as sponsors of terrorism.
Under Department of Commerce rules, a long list of vaccines for viruses, bacteria, and biological toxins cannot be exported to Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria unless they obtain a special export license, which can take weeks.
....

The reason: Fear that they will be used for biological warfare.
So, the United States government views vaccines as tools of biological warfare.

Well this is a bit misleading.
Vaccines typically contain an inert version of the virus they work against.
It's not a stretch to imagine that a non inert version could be derived from studying the inert version in the vaccine.

Her logic doesn't seem to be very good.

Check this ,AMercians are banning any natural herbs etc, that mention aiding swine flu.
Guess the Pharma companies put the lean on..

thecommander

Jake1 wrote: »

Check this ,AMercians are banning any natural herbs etc, that mention aiding swine flu.
Guess the Pharma companies put the lean on..

Are they banning the herbs?
Are they banning the mentioning of herbs?
Are they banning the mentioning on herbal remedies that say they cure swine flu?
Are they banning herbs that aid swine flu?

Cant work out what you are saying, is it one of them?

thecommander

thecommander wrote: »

Are they banning the herbs?
Are they banning the mentioning of herbs?
Are they banning the mentioning on herbal remedies that say they cure swine flu?
Are they banning herbs that aid swine flu?

Cant work out what you are saying, is it one of them?

jaze Commander Im so sorry, I forgot the bleedin link Im a plank.
here it is

http://www.naturalnews.com/026473_the_FDA_H1N1_natural_products.html

thecommander

No product may be described as protecting against or preventing H1N1 infections unless it is approved by the FDA. And which products has the FDA approved? Tamiflu

I cant see where the problem is. They are enforcing that only tested drugs may advertise that they work against it. Otherwise anyone could put anything on the market and claim a benefit.

Are you suggesting that its wrong to regulate medicine?

Riamfada

[QUOTE=th
ecommander;60907275]I cant see where the problem is. They are enforcing that only tested drugs may advertise that they work against it. Otherwise anyone could put anything on the market and claim a benefit.

Are you suggesting that its wrong to regulate medicine?[/QUOTE]

I think that if people go off and start taking herbal remedies for swine flu rather than declaring themselves unwell and taking anti-biotics you would have a swarm of infected people putting placebos into their systems and believing in false hope.

+1 The Man

samson09

Grimes wrote: »

I think that if people go off and start taking herbal remedies for swine flu rather than declaring themselves unwell and taking anti-biotics you would have a swarm of infected people putting placebos into their systems and believing in false hope.

+1 The Man

But arent antibiotics only useful in treating bacterial infections and not viruses? They could be used to treat secondary bacterial infections that occur as a result of a primary viral infection but wont have any effect on the flu virus itself. And who is going to take these placebos you talk about? People could choose to take natural remedies that have been proven to work against both influenza A and B such as Sambucol, an extract of black elderberry (which grows abundantly in Ireland by the way).

"A small study published five years ago showed that 93% of flu patients given Sambucol were completely symptom-free within two days; those taking a placebo recovered in about six days. However, the study took place during an outbreak of influenza B -- so it was unclear whether Sambucol worked with type A virus.

This current study shows that, indeed, it works for type A flu, reports lead researcher Erling Thom, with the University of Oslo in Norway.

Thom's findings were presented at the 15th Annual Conference on Antiviral Research in 2002. The study has been accepted for publication in the Journal of International Medical Research.

The study involved 60 patients who had been suffering with flu symptoms for 48 hours or less; 90% were infected with the A strain of the virus, 10% were infected with type B. Half the group took 15 milliliters of Sambucol or and the other group took a placebo four times a day for five days.

Patients in the Sambucol group had "pronounced improvements" in flu symptoms after three days: Nearly 90% of patients had complete cure within two to three days. Also, the Sambucol group had no drowsiness, the downside of many flu treatments.

The placebo group didn't recover until at least day six; they also took more painkillers and nasal sprays.

It's likely that antioxidants called flavonoids -- which are contained in the extract -- stimulate the immune system, writes Thom. Also, other compounds in elderberry, called anthocyanins, have an anti-inflammatory effect; this could explain the effect on aches, pains, and fever.

Elderberry extract could be an "efficient and safe treatment" for flu symptoms in otherwise healthy people and for those with compromised immune systems, such as the elderly, Thom adds".

Source:
http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/ne...s-flu-symptoms

Homeopathy has also been extremely successful wrt flu treatment in the past. During the Spanish flu outbreak, people treated with homeopathy were significantly more likely to survive than those who opted for conventional treatment.

"Was homeopathy successful in treating the flu epidemic of 1918?
Yes.
While the mortality rate of people treated with traditional medicine and drugs was 30 percent, those treated by homeopathic physicians had mortality rate of 1.05 percent.
Of the fifteen hundred cases reported at the Homeopathic Medical Society of the District of Columbia there were only fifteen deaths. Recoveries in the National Homeopathic Hospital were 100%. In Ohio, of 1,000 cases of influenza, Dr. T. A. McCann, MD, Dayton, Ohio reported NO DEATHS.

What homeopathic remedies were used to successfully treat the Spanish flu in 1918?
Gelsemium and Bryonia
According the Dr. Frank Wieland, MD, in Chicago, "(With) 8,000 workers we had only one death. Gelsemium was practically the only remedy used. We used no aspirin and no vaccines."

Homeopathy was 98% successful in treating the Spanish flu epidemic in 1918?
Yes.
Ohio reported that 24,000 cases of flu treated allopathically had a mortality rate of 28.2% while 26,000 cases of flu treated homeopathically had a mortality rate of 1.05% . In Connecticut, 6,602 cases were reported, with 55 deaths, less than 1%. Dr. Roberts, a physician on a troop ship during WWI, had 81 cases of flu on the way over to Europe. He reported, "All recovered and were landed. Every man received homeopathic treatment."

Source: http://www.naturalnews.com/026148.html

samson09

samson09 wrote: »

People could choose to take natural remedies that have been proven to work against both influenza A and B such as Sambucol, an extract of black elderberry (which grows abundantly in Ireland by the way).

Huh you seemed to miss an important point from the headline:

Jelly, Jam, or Wine Won't Help -- Only Extract Works

samson09 wrote: »

The study involved 60 patients who had been suffering with flu symptoms for 48 hours or less; 90% were infected with the A strain of the virus, 10% were infected with type B. Half the group took 15 milliliters of Sambucol or and the other group took a placebo four times a day for five days.

Wow one study of 60 people? Convincing.
There are much larger and much more studies show homoeopathy doesn't work.
I'll bet money you don't think they count.

samson09 wrote: »

Homeopathy has also been extremely successful wrt flu treatment in the past. During the Spanish flu outbreak, people treated with homeopathy were significantly more likely to survive than those who opted for conventional treatment.

"Was homeopathy successful in treating the flu epidemic of 1918?
Yes.
While the mortality rate of people treated with traditional medicine and drugs was 30 percent, those treated by homeopathic physicians had mortality rate of 1.05 percent.
Of the fifteen hundred cases reported at the Homeopathic Medical Society of the District of Columbia there were only fifteen deaths. Recoveries in the National Homeopathic Hospital were 100%. In Ohio, of 1,000 cases of influenza, Dr. T. A. McCann, MD, Dayton, Ohio reported NO DEATHS.

What homeopathic remedies were used to successfully treat the Spanish flu in 1918?
Gelsemium and Bryonia
According the Dr. Frank Wieland, MD, in Chicago, "(With) 8,000 workers we had only one death. Gelsemium was practically the only remedy used. We used no aspirin and no vaccines."

Homeopathy was 98% successful in treating the Spanish flu epidemic in 1918?
Yes.
Ohio reported that 24,000 cases of flu treated allopathically had a mortality rate of 28.2% while 26,000 cases of flu treated homeopathically had a mortality rate of 1.05% . In Connecticut, 6,602 cases were reported, with 55 deaths, less than 1%. Dr. Roberts, a physician on a troop ship during WWI, had 81 cases of flu on the way over to Europe. He reported, "All recovered and were landed. Every man received homeopathic treatment."

Source: http://www.naturalnews.com/026148.html

[/LEFT]

This is pure fiction and terrible science.


People should really stop taking this Natural News site seriously.

kadman

samson09 wrote: »

It's not often that I read a story and get really freaked out. Maybe this woman isnt 100% correct, but she's on the right track. Make what ye want of it, but something is definitely rotten in the state of Denmark.


Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder

As the anticipated July release date for Baxter's A/H1N1 flu pandemic vaccine approaches, an Austrian investigative journalist is warning the world that the greatest crime in the history of humanity is underway. Jane Burgermeister has recently filed criminal charges with the FBI against the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations (UN), and several of the highest ranking government and corporate officials concerning bioterrorism and attempts to commit mass murder. She has also prepared an injunction against forced vaccination which is being filed in America. These actions follow her charges filed in April against Baxter AG and Avir Green Hills Biotechnology of Austria for producing contaminated bird flu vaccine, alleging this was a deliberate act to cause and profit from a pandemic.

http://www.naturalnews.com/026503_pandemic_swine_flu_bioterrorism.html

These are serious allegations on a serious topic. Why has this received no media coverage in Ireland, either television or radio. Or have I missed something. I cant seem to find anything anywhere in Ireland

If this woman is a crackpot, why is there no coverage of her lunatic accusations. I seem to remember we had a lunatic priest who stopped a major race, and it got massive media attention here.

Why is this going unreported.

kadman

kadman

kadman wrote: »

These are serious allegations on a serious topic. Why has this received no media coverage in Ireland, either television or radio. Or have I missed something. I cant seem to find anything anywhere in Ireland

If this woman is a crackpot, why is there no coverage of her lunatic accusations. I seem to remember we had a lunatic priest who stopped a major race, and it got massive media attention here.

Why is this going unreported.

kadman

Why weren't the guys who sued CERN about the LHC covered by Irish media?

Surely it'd be big news what with the end of the world and what not.

watty

I find Irish news pretty poor on World matters. So I listen to BBC R4 1st. RTE don't get up till later, especially in August.

kadman

King Mob wrote: »

Why weren't the guys who sued CERN about the LHC covered by Irish media?

Surely it'd be big news what with the end of the world and what not.

No idea..have you. I was interested in the lack of coverage of the story outlined in the thread.. Do you know why its not covered, I,d be interested if you do.

Has it been given any tv or radio coverage anywhere, I haven,t found any.

kadman

kadman

watty wrote: »

I find Irish news pretty poor on World matters. So I listen to BBC R4 1st. RTE don't get up till later, especially in August.

Has it been covered on any of these either.

kadman

samson09

If you care about your health and your freedom, have a look at the following link. Mandatory vaccination is now a very real possibility, take legal action now before its too late.



http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/legal-action-you-can-take-today-against-forced-mass-vaccinations/

samson09

"The New Zealand Minister of Health, Hon Tony Ryall, has asked the Ministry of Health officials to urgently advise him on issues raised about a "swine flu" vaccine produced by Baxter International Inc. This follows his receipt of a letter raising concerns about whether vaccines produced by Baxter for "swine flu" can be trusted.

In an open letter to all members of the New Zealand House of Parliament, Penny Bright, Media Spokesperson for Water Pressure Group, a judicially recognized Public Watchdog for Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters, raises a series of questions and concerns about the safety of the vaccine. She demands to know whether Baxter products are currently being used in New Zealand for the "swine flu", "bird flu" or any other type of flu".

Full story at:

http://www.naturalnews.com/026571_Baxter_New_Zealand_health.html

Oh my God! A politician is suspicious!
The baseless conspiracies are true!

Didn't Chris Morris trick a MP into bringing up an obviously fictional drug in the English parliament?

Undergod

Oh Brass Eye, how you are missed.
Seriously, best satirical TV show I know.

WakeUp

The Irish government has ordered millions of doses of swine flu vaccine from those dangerous incompetent morons, Baxter Pharmaceuticals. The same Baxter Pharmaceuticals who sent out vaccine samples to European labs infected with live bird flu. Nice one.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/swine-flu-jab-for-all-after-virus-toll-alert-1805686.html
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html


Health care workers the first to receive the vaccine in Ireland sometime in August.
[font=&quot]http://www.independent.ie/national-news/healthcare-workers-first-to-receive-swine-flu-vaccinations-next-month-1806538.html[/font]

samson09

Swine flu vaccine rushed through safety checks

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6694046.ece

If this doesnt set a red light flashing in peoples minds nothing will. Two doses of an experimental, pretty much untested vaccine...the Irish government has also purchased enough for two doses.

Take a look at the comments on this story, seems people are finally waking up.

samson09

samson09 wrote: »

Swine flu vaccine rushed through safety checks

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6694046.ece

If this doesnt set a red light flashing in peoples minds nothing will. Two doses of an experimental, pretty much untested vaccine...the Irish government has also purchased enough for two doses.

Take a look at the comments on this story, seems people are finally waking up.

From the comments it looks like people are buying into sensationalism, baseless conspiracies and poor science.

But please keep spreading all three. You're doing a great job.

WakeUp

King Mob wrote: »

From the comments it looks like people are buying into sensationalism, baseless conspiracies and poor science.

But please keep spreading all three. You're doing a great job.

and you are doing a great job at countering claims of "baseless conspiracies". For somebody who blatantly does not believe in "conspiracies" Id even go as far as to say "conspiracies" annoy you, imo, you spend an unnatural amount of your time on this site doing what you do, just an observation.

samson09

Action against the mandatory WHO flu jab from around the world – USA, Canada, Sweden, Greece and an update from Penny Bright in New Zealand

Good news for anyone following this story!

Anyone interested in doing something similar here at home?

derry

OK count me in what ideas you got and do you want to start a seperate thread
Possibly good to make a new thread in medical forum and then threads like CT and health etc that point to it

I leave it to you as I am also working on other media solutions to spread the info as I figure get as much info out there into as many forums as i can find from cars or DIY to fashion whatever as the more information that is spread the more chance to save lives

before I read up on vaccines a few weeks back i was dumb a$$ happy to take any vaccines doing the circuit.Now informed of the risks I wont be taking any vaccines except they kill me first as now I now know how risky all vaccines are and how much more risky the new vaccine is probably going to be

PM me if you want


Derry

humanji

samson09 wrote: »

Action against the mandatory WHO flu jab from around the world – USA, Canada, Sweden, Greece and an update from Penny Bright in New Zealand

Good news for anyone following this story!

Anyone interested in doing something similar here at home?

Is there an executive order in Ireland to force you to have a vaccination?

tallaght01

derry wrote: »

Possibly good to make a new thread in medical forum and

Sorry man. Don't even think about that. The bio+med forum is for science.

samson09

derry wrote: »

OK count me in what ideas you got and do you want to start a seperate thread
Possibly good to make a new thread in medical forum and then threads like CT and health etc that point to it

I leave it to you as I am also working on other media solutions to spread the info as I figure get as much info out there into as many forums as i can find from cars or DIY to fashion whatever as the more information that is spread the more chance to save lives

before I read up on vaccines a few weeks back i was dumb a$$ happy to take any vaccines doing the circuit.Now informed of the risks I wont be taking any vaccines except they kill me first as now I now know how risky all vaccines are and how much more risky the new vaccine is probably going to be

PM me if you want


Derry

Ok, so far I've downloaded all the evidence I need to submit. I just need to tweak it a bit as the document is designed to be submitted to a US court. I'm waiting for a reply to see what changes need to be made. Once everything is in order I'm off to my district court to file the charges. Not sure how I'm going to do this exactly but sure will figure it out along the way.

The evidence is available to download here...

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/legal-action-you-can-take-today-against-forced-mass-vaccinations/

(click on criminal charges, its in blue under injunction)

Once I've filed the charges I will let you know how it's done. Hopefully we can get as many people as possible to do the same. Keep spreading the info as much as possible!

samson09

tallaght01 wrote: »

Sorry man. Don't even think about that. The bio+med forum is for science.

This reminded me of a scene from a George Orwell classic and the term "thought police".

What's wrong with posting scientific evidence and allowing others to discuss it. I posted information from a reputable site last night and it was deleted. You have a moral obligation to allow people to make up their own minds.

JordanDC

Is it possible to submit the case to the Irish Legal system?

If the media stopped reporting on it and stopped creating fear and panic amoung people then I would be quite sure that it would all disappear very quickly. What ever happened to Bird Flu anyway? You dont hear a word about that nowadays.

JordanDC

Is it possible to submit the case to the Irish Legal system?

If the media stopped reporting on it and stopped creating fear and panic amoung people then I would be quite sure that it would all disappear very quickly. What ever happened to Bird Flu anyway? You dont hear a word about that nowadays.

Ostrom

samson09 wrote: »

What's wrong with posting scientific evidence and allowing others to discuss it

It needs to be scientific evidence?

venividivici

is it true kids at school are gonna get jabs to prevent swine flu??i should really do some more research on it,got plenty of info on here so thanks..

6th

Lads if ppl have a beef with another forum then take it to Feedback or Helpdesk. Bringing problems here will lead to bans etc.

IrelandSpirit

Someone's making A LOT of money out of this man-bird-pig.


Is there anything in place for mandatory vaccinations here?

I think Norway will be moving forward with a mandatory mass inoculation program in the Autumn...

samson09

I'm still trying to find out if its possible to file a charge here in Ireland. A lot of material in the document is specific to the U.S and I cant find out if its applicable to Ireland or if other details should be added/ommitted. A lot of emails are not delivering and specific details in general are hard to find!

Here is a recent update from naturalnews.com which discusses the H1N1 virus resembling the 1918 virus, the WHO and global mandatory vaccination, the use of a live attenuated vaccines and possible reasons for using live attenuated vaccines. I've included the entire article as registation is required to view the entire article here...

http://www.naturalnews.com/026613_swine_flu_vaccines_pandemic.html

H1N1 Swine Flu Appears Similar to 1918 Pandemic Virus; WHO Recommends Vaccines Use Live (Attenuated) Influenza



Two shocking bits of news about the H1N1 swine flu virus emerged this week. The first is that the widely-circulating swine flu virus may be a lot more dangerous than people have so far been told: It appears to resemble the 1918 pandemic virus in the fact that it is capable of embedding itself deep in lung tissue and causing deadly infections. This is very different from the more common "seasonal flu" which does not replicate in the lungs.

Explaining this concept, lead researcher Yoshihiro Kawaoka of the University of Wisconsin wrote in the journal Nature: "When we conducted the experiments in ferrets and monkeys, the seasonal virus did not replicate in the lungs... The H1N1 virus replicates significantly better in the lungs."

As Reuters reports, Kawaoka also added, "There is a misunderstanding about this virus... There is clear evidence the virus is different than seasonal influenza."

The 1918 influenza pandemic killed at least 40 million people globally (and probably many more). Also remember: That was a time when obesity was extremely rare. Today, obesity is alarmingly common among first-world nations, and obesity is now suspected of making a person highly susceptible to swine flu fatalities (http://www.naturalnews.com/026602_p...).


World Health Organization gets aggressive with vaccination recommendations

Meanwhile, the World Health Organization -- always a trusty friend of Big Pharma -- has announced that swine flu is "unstoppable" and is now directing all the nations of the world to vaccinate their citizens against the H1N1 influenza strain. This is essentially an order for global mandatory vaccinations.

And yet, at the same time the WHO is recommending mass global vaccinations against the swine flu, it also states on its own website that such vaccines have never been proven safe. In its own words (http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swin...):

[Emphasis added] "Since new technologies are involved in the production of some pandemic vaccines, which have not yet been extensively evaluated for their safety in certain population groups, it is very important to implement post-marketing surveillance of the highest possible quality. In addition, rapid sharing of the results of immunogenicity and post-marketing safety and effectiveness studies among the international community will be essential for allowing countries to make necessary adjustments to their vaccination policies."

In other words: Use the people as guinea pigs and see who dies first!

It's not difficult to decode the WHO's language in this case. The vaccines aren't safe, so they're recommending that people given the vaccines be watched closely to see what happens (who dies).

And just to make sure more people die, the WHO is also recommending such vaccines use "live attenuated influenza."

As stated on the WHO's website:

"In view of the anticipated limited vaccine availability at global level and the potential need to protect against "drifted" strains of virus, SAGE recommended that promoting production and use of vaccines such as those that are formulated with oil-in-water adjuvants and live attenuated influenza vaccines was important."


Inject yourself with live attenuated influenza!

What, exactly, is "live attenuated influenza?" It means live viruses that have been weakened, but may still pose a danger to human health.

Big Pharma, of course, is more than happy to comply with this order... they're getting paid billions to make the live influenza vaccines, after all. Notably, Baxter Pharmaceuticals has already been caught inserting live avian flu viruses in vaccine materials, and other drug companies are only too happy to follow suit. (http://www.naturalnews.com/025760.html)

But why, you ask, would governments want to inject their populations with live attenuated influenza DNA? And why would the World Health Organization aggressively promote such a measure, especially since the number of swine flu fatalities so far is exceedingly small?

There are numerous theories on that. I don't claim to know the right answer, but here are some of the theories being talked about by people in the know (people who aren't fooled by Big Government / Big Pharma propaganda):

The population control theory: The swine flu was engineered in a lab, then released in Mexico City precisely to cause a public reaction where people and lawmakers would demand global vaccinations. Those vaccines, in turn, would be intentionally laced with live virus samples designed to kill a large number of people and reduce the global population. All the deaths, of course, could be blamed on the virus; and the drug companies would get rich in the process!

The Big Pharma profit theory: Swine flu vaccines are being pushed globally in order to funnel more profits into the hands of the drug companies. And the more people get sick from the "live attenuated viruses" in the vaccines, the more repeat business the drug companies make from sick patients!

The chemtrail / vaccine binary poison theory: Chemtrails have exposed the populations in major world cities to the first half of a binary poison. The mandatory swine flu vaccines will complete the binary recipe, poisoning people with another seemingly innocent cocktail of chemicals that just happen to combine with the chemtrail poisons and result in widespread death.

The do-gooder theory: [This is a favorite theory of doctors, drug company reps and public health authorities.] All those conspiracy theories are bunk. These vaccines are being forced onto you for your own good by an industry that cares about people and only has your best interests in mind. Profits and power have nothing to do with it. Your government is trying to protect you, didn't you know?


Walking virus incubators

Ninety-nine percent of the U.S. population believes the do-gooder theory, and they will gladly allow themselves to be injected with anything the government recommends (especially if people start dropping dead this fall and the population can be scared into lining up for swine flu shots). The upshot of all this is that ninety-nine percent of the people will then be carrying live "attenuated" swine flu genetic materials in their blood, creating the perfect opportunity for further recombining with seasonal flu.

Global mandatory swine flu vaccinations will, in fact, create a population of infected swine flu carriers. Some of them will die in the 48 hours following the injections. Most will manage to survive the shots and go on to become carriers of swine flu genetic material. With their immune systems weakened by vaccine chemicals and processed, nutrient-depleted junk foods, they will serve as walking incubation vessels for the next sweeping strain of influenza.

And no matter what happens, Big Pharma makes money! The more people die, the more power the government is able to grab through vaccine mandates, forced quarantines, declarations of Martial Law and other similar measures. A pandemic is the perfect opportunity to destroy whatever remaining freedoms the American people still cling to.

My advice? Be prepared to protect yourself from the coming wave of gunpoint medicine (forced vaccinations). Both your health and your freedoms may soon be at stake. Keep reading NaturalNews for more information on how to protect yourself from not only swine flu (which is easy), but also your own government's ill-conceived swine flu vaccination mandates (more difficult).

As this situation unfolds through the fall of 2009, we'll post more information about what you can do to protect your health freedoms from the global pharmaceutical machine that wants to inject you with "live attenuated influenza."

Sources for this story include:

World Health Organization:
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swin...

Reuters: "New Flu Unstoppable" http://www.reuters.com/article/topN...

Reutes: "New Flu Resembles 1918 Virus"
http://www.reuters.com/article/heal...

IrelandSpirit

I think it's possible to file charges here in Ireland, I can’t see why not, you'll be going through the same (commercial) law system – a lot of hoop jumping – but if you get a sympathetic solicitor or legal-minded person onside I expect it’s doable… in theory.

The mandatory side of the vaccination program is what’s troubling me – well it’s all troubling me - but I still can’t find anything on what our government has planned for us. A couple of the front pages had articles today, 7.7 million doses, but no mention of mandatory. I expect they’ll be countless people who’ll no doubt be clambering for a dose, so it might not be deemed necessary... having said that though, Ireland's still the only country in the EU were fluoridation of drinking water is mandatory by law. (Last time i checked) Either way, expect a lot of walking (and dropping) incubators this winter