Your Views On The BNP

Degsy

Joey the lips wrote: »

Just opened this thread, Have to say had a bet in my mind it would involve sinn fein somewhere Jasus I was right. Its amazing how many parties claim national status in ireland and it still comes back to sinn fein. Its equally amazing how Fine Gael were orig linked to the blue shirts a nationalist extreame party.

It gets boreing when the same old reliable people establish daft old reliable links

I seem to remember a certain Charles haughy being involved in illegal gunrunning too

dlofnep

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The BNP don't (openly) support murder.

Yes they do. Did you actually watch the BBC documentary on them where members were advocating rocket launch attacks on immigrant communities and stating that they'd like to drive around the area in a van with a machine gun on the back?

dan719

Nodin wrote: »

I wasn't aware the BNP had links with the ANC, Basques and Palestinians and had a strict anti-racist policy.



...but SF aren't, nor have they been.

(O and welcome to this dimension. Some things may differ from what you're used to)
http://sinnfein.ie/policies/document/118/1

Welcome to economic reality, where psuedo marxist policies are probably the only thing less succesful than the real thing. :rolleyes:

Degsy

dlofnep wrote: »

Yes they do. Did you actually watch the BBC documentary on them where members were advocating rocket launch attacks on immigrant communities and stating that they'd like to drive around the area in a van with a machine gun on the back?

You can find views like that in any barbershop,taxi or pub.
It doesnt mean the entire organisation were advocating violence because a few members were running off at the mouth...any party,especialy one with a right wing bent will attract nutjobs and ****.

Nationalist

O'Coonassa wrote: »

No, just one. Humans. More genetic diversity inside Africa than there is between any of the ethnicities outside of it. "Race" is just a load of bollocks that racialists made up to build up their nationalisms and justify things like slavery.

The idea that 'Race is a social invention' is a complete fabrication and lie created by Horkheimer and the rest of the graduating individuals of The Institute of Social Research in Frankfurt.

Race is real. It is not a 'social invention' invented by white people, as Marxists like to spread.

Genghiz Cohen

Nationalist wrote: »

The idea that 'Race is a social invention' is a complete fabrication and lie created by Horkheimer and the rest of the graduating individuals of The Institute of Social Research in Frankfurt.

Race is real. It is not a 'social invention' invented by white people, as Marxists like to spread.

Real or not, it doesn't detract from a persons worth, only their own actions can do that.

Nationalist

O'Coonassa wrote: »

But why should anybody be proud about a totally random chance of birth?

The question is 'Why shouldn't they be proud?'. If it wasn't for their ancestors who helped build the country and the nation, the person would not be alive, would never have been born. I am proud of the achievements of Irishmen and women of the past. If it wasn't for them, I wouldn't have had the chance to live.

O'Coonassa wrote: »

The people standing proudly for national flags are just the thin end of the wedge, for say the extremes of the 'tribes' in NI, or people such as Hitler.

So what your saying is that every person who admires their national flag is an extremist and a Nazi? So every Irish soldier who had his/her coffin covered in the tricolour was an extremist National Socialist?

O'Coonassa wrote: »

There is nothing good about nationalism IMO, I can find nothing to redeem it.

If thats the case, then there is nothing good about individual cultures. There should be no nations, every place you go on planet Earth should have the exact same people, exact same culture, exact same religion, exact same race, one boring, monotonous people. A planet without the excitement of diversity of different nations holding their own customs, traditions and values close to their heart.

O'Coonassa wrote: »

I'm from Earth and my people are human, that's what I'm proud of, my species and our planet.

I thought you said you couldn't be proud a thing that you had no choice in?

O'Coonassa wrote: »

I kind of feel that people who put invented and arbitrary nationalisms before that fact are letting us down somewhat.

Invented? Nationalism was never 'invented'. Nationalism goes hand in hand with the people from the moment they ethnic group existed.

Letting you down? So the men of 1916 have 'let you down' because they stood up for their nation? So that Irish people would rule Ireland? Oh yea, those bstards really 'let us down'.

Fratton Fred

dlofnep wrote: »

Yes they do. Did you actually watch the BBC documentary on them where members were advocating rocket launch attacks on immigrant communities and stating that they'd like to drive around the area in a van with a machine gun on the back?

Can't access you tube from work, but fair enough. Lesser of two evils tbh. If SF could seperate themselves from their past then I would have a lot more respect for them. There is nothing RSF or the BNP could do that could make me respect them.

dlofnep

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Can't access you tube from work, but fair enough. Lesser of two evils tbh. If SF could seperate themselves from their past then I would have a lot more respect for them. There is nothing RSF or the BNP could do that could make me respect them.

What has SF got to do with RSF? And what do you mean seperate themselves from their past? How exactly does one do that? Pretend there wasn't different circumstances which involved different strategies? I think you'll find that SF have adopted the GFA, the IRA have put down their arms, SF has support peace in Ireland and adopted a peaceful strategy to Irish Unity. So what exactly do you mean by seperating themselves from their past?

And why are you defending the BNP?

Nationalist

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Nationalism doesn't make sense... I'm no more proud of being White or Irish than I am about anything else I have no control over - like my inability to fly or my dislike of apples for example. :

So what you're saying is that you're not allowed to be proud of something you had no choice on?

So a father has no right to be proud of his son if he wins a medal in the school sports day? Because the father has no choice on whether the son wins a medal or not.

Dankoozy

bnp is great like, if i was british i'd vote for em

Nationalist

dlofnep wrote: »

Um, SF are a left-winged party who are pro-immigration and work on cross community projects to curb sectarianism. BNP are a right-winged, white-supremacist/racist party, who encourage sectarianism.

Nice try.

Where does it say anywhere in their manifesto that white people are better than other races? Where does it say they are right wing? They stand up for the British working class, how is that anyway right wing? If anything they are the old Labour party.

As for SF? Traitors, not only to Ireland but to the Sinn Fein of the past.

"Against the Red Flag of Communism...we raise the flag of an Irish nation. Under that flag will be protection, safety and freedom for all."

(Sinn Fein: Sept. 30th 1911)

Nice try.

Highsider

Don't agree with their policies but they are entitiled to their views as much as anyone else.

Nationalist

orestes wrote: »

Yes, it is. I'd love to know what else you would call it?

Patriotic.

Nationalist

dlofnep wrote: »

Same as it always has been. A fair process for immigration in Ireland, which will allow people the chance to better their life in Ireland.

While taking away the opportunities and livelihoods of the native people of this country.

Immigration destroys our livelihood. The Brits took our Irish land and crops during the plantations, the immigrants are taking Irish jobs and social housing homes today.

There are over 400,000 Irish unemployed now. In 2008, 90% of all new jobs went to immigrants. Can anyone see the logic to this?

Nationalist

O'Coonassa wrote: »

Ya SF/DUP/BNP they're all wrapped up in national flags. Small minded and petty, dependant on propagating myths to retards in order to get votes. They're traitors to humanity.

Oh traitors? Treason? Who are they selling 'humanity' out to? Some sort of higher power?

You're the one who is the traitor.

K-9

Nationalist wrote: »

In 2008, 90% of all new jobs went to immigrants. Can anyone see the logic to this?

Yes, many Irish people aren't that bothered applying for these low paid new jobs.

Dudess

It's "patriotic" to be pro-white? That's surely one of the silliest things I've ever read. Ever.

markopantelic wrote: »

they have recently sided with us irish and have embraced us, and have welcomed us to join their union after the UK pulls out of EU.

Yeah, the far right is regularly pathetically inconsistent. Not terribly long ago, the BNP was very anti Irish indeed.

Elliemental wrote: »

I was looking through the Member List for the BNP, and theres a few from the North on it. It`s worrying, tbh. The number of professionals is shocking too. They seem to be reaching more people.

Not surprising at all. Links have been established between loyalist paramilitaries and far-right groups. Professionals were never exempt either.

Degsy wrote: »

Racist attacks on whites dont make the news

Most racist attacks full stop don't make the news... only when someone is killed.

..its considered racist to report them.

It is? News to me.

dlofnep wrote: »

They did attack the English mainland - and while some of the targets involving civilians were terrible choices made by the leadership of the IRA - it was a political attack, not a display of hatred towards the British people.

Well it would be difficult for, say, the people of Warrington to see things that way - and I wouldn't blame them. Plus, plenty of so-called republicans DO hate the English (see the posts of certain individuals on this website). Such people also tend to have views bordering on the racist. While I agree with you about Sinn Fein's agenda, there are some "republicans" who give the ideology a terrible name - very well described by someone earlier who referred to the Wolf Tones, those typical Celtic supporter scumbags etc (not saying all Celtic fans are scumbags). I'd hope Sinn Fein is disgusted by those "supporters". With their xenophobic agendas, they don't seem that different to BNP supporters...

Degsy wrote: »

There are dozens of black hate-groups in the US,they've been allowed to preach racial hatred and violence

Of course they are - just like white hate groups are allowed to preach their message over there. It's called free speech.

by white people who consider it to be empowerment of a repressed minority rather than incoherent race hatred based on colour.

Is this based on reality, or is it just how you've chosen to interpret things? Black hate groups are probably seen as less of a threat, seeing as the majority of the power and money in the United States is held by whites.

markopantelic

Nationalist wrote: »

While taking away the opportunities and livelihoods of the native people of this country.

Immigration destroys our livelihood. The Brits took our Irish land and crops during the plantations, the immigrants are taking Irish jobs and social housing homes today.

There are over 400,000 Irish unemployed now. In 2008, 90% of all new jobs went to immigrants. Can anyone see the logic to this?

did the irish magically appear on this island all at the one time?

when does one become irish? according to the constitution it was anyone who was born here, although that changed in 2004(was it?)

Nationalist

O'Coonassa wrote: »

Agreed, the Shinners have an interest in encouraging immigration, but when you get talking to their voters it isn't really these policies that attract them it's the Nationalism. In fact many of their voter base are fairly rabidly right wing reactionaries in favour of vigilantism of the type practiced by the brownshirts and blackshirts. They mostly wouldn't think twice about reciting "For What Died The Sons Of Róisín". People can't be Nationalistic and not come up smelling of shíte because at it's heart it believes that the people of the Nation are "special", unlike all the other humans.

"We got rid of one strange language, now we're faced with many, many more....."
From "For what died the sons of roísín".....

Nationalist

PrivateEye wrote: »

No platform for the filth, ever.

Don't allow them a platform? Sounds a bit "quasi-fash" to me.....

dlofnep

Nationalist wrote: »

While taking away the opportunities and livelihoods of the native people of this country.

Immigration destroys our livelihood. The Brits took our Irish land and crops during the plantations, the immigrants are taking Irish jobs and social housing homes today.

There are over 400,000 Irish unemployed now. In 2008, 90% of all new jobs went to immigrants. Can anyone see the logic to this?

Eh... Stormfront is that way ->

Keep your "Dey tuk ar jabs" nonsense for someone else.

dlofnep

Nationalist wrote: »

Where does it say anywhere in their manifesto that white people are better than other races?

Actions speak louder than words.

Nationalist wrote: »

Where does it say they are right wing?

Their actions are right-wing.

Nationalist wrote: »

They stand up for the British working class, how is that anyway right wing?

No, they stand up for the White British working class, at the expense of the other British working classes, who don't have white skin. That, is right wing.

galwayrush

First time i saw this Thread, i thought it was BP Oil back, as a rival to Shell.:rolleyes: As someone else said above, they are good for a laugh, but it ain't illegal for them to have an opinion.

Nationalist

markopantelic wrote: »

well this sort of party is gaining support all over europe in light of the economic crisis. as i read on another site, if sinn fein had a split, and they played the anti-immigration card, they would get heavy support here in Ireland.

And i'd be the first to support them.

Nationalist

K-9 wrote: »

Yes, many Irish people aren't that bothered applying for these low paid new jobs.

Here we go, the same old shiite thats fed to you by RTÉ and every other media outlet. And of course gullible shiitehawks like you lapp up every drop of it.

K-9

Nationalist wrote: »

Here we go, the same old shiite thats fed to you by RTÉ and every other media outlet. And of course gullible shiitehawks like you lapp up every drop of it.

LOL, Never heard of the welfare trap?

javaboy

Nationalist wrote: »

And of course gullible shiitehawks like you lapp up every drop of it.

Banned.

dlofnep

LOL - I gotta give it to him though, "shítehawk" is a pretty epic insult.

K-9

dlofnep wrote: »

LOL - I gotta give it to him though, "shítehawk" is a pretty epic insult.

I suppose he asked for a logical answer, he got one, so...................