Your Views On The BNP

dlofnep

K-9 wrote: »

What is their stance on immigration now?

Same as it always has been. A fair process for immigration in Ireland, which will allow people the chance to better their life in Ireland.

Now, are you going to be mature enough to take back your original comment?

dan719

dlofnep wrote: »

Um, SF are a left-winged party who are pro-immigration and work on cross community projects to curb sectarianism. BNP are a right-winged, white-supremacist/racist party, who encourage sectarianism.

Nice try.

I lol'ed. SF are a mixture of nationalism, communism/marxism, who are dependent on a 'hatred of the brits' to encourage support amongst an ill-informed and bigoted sector of the population.

The existance of SF and the DUP is the embodiment of secterianism, and in order to keep all their promises to the average worker (regarding wages and standards of living) then they would need to be vehemently opposed to immigration to artificially drive down labour supply. I do however accept that like many Sinn Fein policies (particularly regarding the economy), that this may not be malicious, but rather a result of their own inability to formulate a policy not based on 'up the Ra'. :rolleyes:

Nodin

K-9 wrote: »

The Libertas/SF equivalent in the UK.

I wasn't aware the BNP had links with the ANC, Basques and Palestinians and had a strict anti-racist policy.

dan719 wrote:

The existance of SF and the DUP is the embodiment of secterianism, and in order to keep all their promises to the average worker (regarding wages and standards of living) then they would need to be vehemently opposed to immigration to artificially drive down labour supply. .

...but SF aren't, nor have they been.

(O and welcome to this dimension. Some things may differ from what you're used to)
http://sinnfein.ie/policies/document/118/1

O'Coonassa

Rebelheart wrote: »

"Southern Irish" "brethern"(sic) - let me see, you're a British loyalist?

There's only one Ireland, and there is only one Irish people, no matter how many states it suits the British to divide this country into. Ireland can survive without such "friends" as you people and your "British Isles" supremacist ideology which seeks to put us, the Irish people, faoi chois once again.

Lol Latchy... That's exactly what I'm talking about. It's like strictly for the monkeys IMO. They'll make anyone a target for their **** slinging and you don't even have to belong to the out group. The only way to close these people down is to close down their nationalisms.

Fratton Fred

The BNP targets angry, disenfranchised people form the less well off sections of the community. Their policies are one dimensional and have very little substance yet when you listen to their supporters they real them out as if they were gospel.

The BNP have a few councillors yet the vast majority of people think they are scum who's policies are based on nothing more than hatred.

Nothing like SF at all:D

O'Coonassa

Ya SF/DUP/BNP they're all wrapped up in national flags. Small minded and petty, dependant on propagating myths to retards in order to get votes. They're traitors to humanity.

RaverRo808

To compare Sinn Fein to the BNP is absolutely laughable,in terms of republicanism I hold no regard for the Shinners anymore,but absolutely nothing in common with the BNP,Sinn Fein is an Irish republican organisation which is commited to a United Sovereign 32 county Irish republic,and its ideaology is firmly moderate socialist,pro-immigration and migrant rights,pro-traveller,has links with other separatist and and marxist groups all over the world,and wouldnt hold any regard for the anythign British,please explain how Sinn Fein is in anyway has a connection with the BNP?

Nodin

O'Coonassa wrote: »

Ya SF/DUP/BNP they're all wrapped up in national flags. Small minded and petty, dependant on propagating myths to retards in order to get votes. They're traitors to humanity.

The Cursed Ones wrote:

Sinn Féin proposes that such anti-racism activism at a community level would best be served by the establishment of a national anti-racism network, to develop policy, co-ordinate community activity and liaise on a cross-sectoral basis. Already, some non-governmental organisations have begun to lay the foundations for such a network. Now, Sinn Féin believes that the governments in Dublin and London must materially support the establishment of an all-Ireland anti-racism network.

There can be no limit on the number of asylum seekers under the UN Convention on the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol because of internationally-agreed human rights protections and standards. No political party is advocating withdrawal from the Convention, so anyone who makes political capital out of a desire to limit numbers of refugees is advocating a violation of human rights.

http://sinnfein.ie/policies/document/118/3

Yes, a regular bunch of jackbooted nastys....

CiaranC

I hate Sinn Fein, but they are nothing like the BNP.

rovert

Surprised BNP activists havent posted in this thread yet.

BNP is just the National Front in suits and Nick Griffin is a profoundly average politicians. But their gains in polls in parts of the UK is cause for concern.

getz

untill last year i lived in a small village ,near burnley that voted a council BNP member on to the burnley council, she like most of the BNP activists got their votes by playing the muslim not intergrating with the rest of society vote, in fact ,many of the older residents would believe any thing ,as for me i went to live well away from their racist views .

RaverRo808

O'Coonassa wrote: »

Ya SF/DUP/BNP they're all wrapped up in national flags. Small minded and petty, dependant on propagating myths to retards in order to get votes. They're traitors to humanity.

Every political party in the world is wrapped in a national flag,but that doesnt make them all the same,and traitors you say,when the B-specials,British Army,RUC and Loyalist mobs were burning Irish people out of their homes,denying them the same rights as unionist protestants in all aspects in life,interning hundreds of innocent men and women for purely being Irish and nationalist,all the while a so called Irish government with its own police force and army,sat there and watched as their fellow countrymen were being put under fire in their own country by a foreign imperealist power,the only option these people had was to organise politically and militantly with Sinn Fein and the IRA,the real traitors are so called Irish people who live South of the border who critise and criminalise their fellow Northern countrymen who stood up for themselves

O'Coonassa

CiaranC wrote: »

I hate Sinn Fein, but they are nothing like the BNP.

Nationalists=Nationalists. So really they're fairly similar at the root of it all.

getz

hasent took long for the brainwashed to post

PrivateEye

No platform for the filth, ever.

So really they're fairly similar at the root of it all.

I see where you're coming from, but they are different ends of the spectrum. Sinn Féin are (still somewhat!) left, with progressive policies on immigration and the like. The BNP on the other hand are (in my opinion) quasi-fash. Sure they're both sceptical of the "European project" etc. but they're coming at it from different angles. I don't support any political parties but Sinn Féin activists are well and truly on the left, and ironically have partaken in anti-fascist activity too.

The BNP have already been exposed in recent times, there's no need to back up the claim they're fringe lunatics- you'll find all that easy enough and its probably here already.

Sinn Féin and the BNP are a million miles removed, its like making a connection between Gerry Adams and George Bush over the word 'republican'

O'Coonassa

RaverRo808 wrote: »

Every political party in the world is wrapped in a national flag,

So that makes it OK? I don't think so. Just beacsue the apes can't take the lessons of Darwin on board, check out their propensity to geno-cide and from whence it springs, it doesn't mean you have to join in with them.

RaverRo808

getz wrote: »

hasent took long for the brainwashed to post

Who is brainwashed?

Fratton Fred

rovert wrote: »

Surprised BNP activists havent posted in this thread yet.

BNP is just the National Front in suits and Nick Griffin is a profoundly average politicians. But their gains in polls in parts of the UK is cause for concern.

I'm not sure you will find that many BNP supporters in Ireland tbh.

Very true about their gains, but to put it into perspective, they got 70,000 votes in the last London Mayor election, Boris got over 1million and Ken got just under 1million.

And yeah, the NF supporters of 20 years ago have lost the jack boots, grown their hair, put on suits and formed the BNP.

RaverRo808

O'Coonassa wrote: »

So that makes it OK? I don't think so. Just beacsue the apes can't take the lessons of Darwin on board, check out their propensity to geno-cide and from whence it springs, it doesn't mean you have to join in with them.

Are you not proud that your country has a flag to be proud of and wave all over the world,the flag is about the two main religions in Ireland Catholic and Protestant and those of other faiths,living united and in harmony,whats your problem with that?what has a flag got to do with darwinism

O'Coonassa

PrivateEye wrote: »

I see where you're coming from, but they are different ends of the spectrum. Sinn Féin are (still somewhat!) left, with progressive policies on immigration and the like.

Agreed, the Shinners have an interest in encouraging immigration, but when you get talking to their voters it isn't really these policies that attract them it's the Nationalism. In fact many of their voter base are fairly rabidly right wing reactionaries in favour of vigilantism of the type practiced by the brownshirts and blackshirts. They mostly wouldn't think twice about reciting "For What Died The Sons Of Róisín". People can't be Nationalistic and not come up smelling of shíte because at it's heart it believes that the people of the Nation are "special", unlike all the other humans.

rovert

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I'm not sure you will find that many BNP supporters in Ireland tbh.

Still they monitor most of any discussion about them.

Fratton Fred

PrivateEye wrote: »

Sinn Féin and the BNP are a million miles removed, its like making a connection between Gerry Adams and George Bush over the word 'republican'

I would agree that they are at opposite ends of the political spectrum and i definately agree that the BNP are filth.

In comparison though, I think both partoes fill the same need within their respective countries.

Both sets of supporters, for example, accuse people of being less British/Less Irish than they are for not believing in their main agenda.

Nodin

O'Coonassa wrote: »

So that makes it OK? I don't think so. Just beacsue the apes can't take the lessons of Darwin on board, check out their propensity to geno-cide and from whence it springs, it doesn't mean you have to join in with them.

O'Coonassa wrote: »

People can't be Nationalistic and not come up smelling of shíte because at it's heart it believes that the people of the Nation are "special", unlike all the other humans. .

Would you care to explain those statements in light of the information provided here....
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=60322476&postcount=69

the_syco

RaverRo808 wrote: »

the real traitors

The real traitors now take money from the free state and the crown.

The Mad Hatter

BNP? Bunch o' Nazi Pricks.

RaverRo808

the_syco wrote: »

The real traitors now take money from the free state and the crown.

Yeah I agree with you there,but Sinn Fein isnt the be all and end all

Elliemental

Underneath all that flowery language, they`re still the same old fascist bastards tbh. No one in their right mind votes for them, they have nothing to offer anyone, and all that they can possibly achieve is to have Britain dragged back a few decades to race riots, and inter community violence.
(plus one of thier candidates was a guy called Ralph Nutter, says it all really!)

O'Coonassa

RaverRo808 wrote: »

Are you not proud that your country has a flag to be proud of and wave all over the world,the flag is about the two main religions in Ireland Catholic and Protestant and those of other faiths,living united and in harmony,whats your problem with that?what has a flag got to do with darwinism

OK primates, or more specifically apes, form into bands. Within the band everything is more or less grand and they co-operate with one another. However, if they come across another band they will go to war on this 'out group' and try to wipe it out.

Nationalism and flag waving is just a perversion of this instinct. It's part of the binding behaviour of the 'in group'. So long as there is an 'in group' there have to be 'out groups'. I can't for the life of me understand why anybody would be proud of a bit of coloured material that displays they are part of some in group. It's ape like behaviour and we can do better than that IMO.

getz

isent this about the BNP ? have any of you met one ?i can assure you that these people play on peoples fear ,if some one tells you that the reason you are unemployed /your house is now worth less/ the crime rate is up/the dole is being abused you may well believe them when they blame other races [in the case of the BNP is the muslim ] as i say i lived amongst them for a number of years, they are a very nasty people.

CiaranC

getz wrote: »

isent this about the BNP ? have any of you met one ?i can assure you that these people play on peoples fear ,if some one tells you that the reason you are unemployed /your house is now worth less/ the crime rate is up/the dole is being abused you may well believe them when they blame other races [in the case of the BNP is the muslim ] as i say i lived amongst them for a number of years, they are a very nasty people.

There are plenty of people just like them on this very forum, sadly.