The 2009 Boards.ie Draft (Discussion and Reaction)

CMpunked · 03-04-2009 12:40am

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

No you don't have to determine that yet. At this point you really just have to cross your fingers that the top picks you want remain unselected.

orestes has a good bit of time yet. Not long left for ya though.

Just to clarify, how long does he have?

Minto · 03-04-2009 2:41am

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Just to clarify, how long does he have?

24 hours from when MNG made his post!

jayhaitch2 · 03-04-2009 10:28am

Just in relation to the Pre 1975 debut. So far I've checked and thats ruled out Ric Flair and Rowdy Roddy Piper. This is actually going to be a lot tougher than I thought!!!

ShawnRaven · 03-04-2009 10:35am

jayhaitch2 wrote: »

Just in relation to the Pre 1975 debut. So far I've checked and thats ruled out Ric Flair and Rowdy Roddy Piper. This is actually going to be a lot tougher than I thought!!!

That's nothing, it'll also rule out Terry Funk and Superstar Billy Graham and because Heenan wrestled in tag matches in the AWA pre 1975, he's also out too!
Good luck to ya folks!

The Volt · 03-04-2009 10:36am

Count me in if there's any spaces left. Sounds like fun

Cactus Col · 03-04-2009 10:57am

Probably a bit unimportant ... but out of curiousity, does the WCW International World Heavyweight Championship count as a proper world title?

ShawnRaven · 03-04-2009 11:08am

Cactus Col wrote: »

Probably a bit unimportant ... but out of curiousity, does the WCW International World Heavyweight Championship count as a proper world title?

I would have to say no, primarily because Minto is using wikipedia for his references, and if you go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WCW_World_Heavyweight_Champions

You'll find the reigns from Luger's one in July 1991 up until mid 94 when they brought the big gold belt back when it was unified are counted as part of this.

It's certainly up for debate, but for me, it makes sense not to bother, especially as it was a farce of a title, in both design and in stature.

flahavaj · 03-04-2009 11:54am

Awesome, I found a way round the work filter that lets me post on boards!

This 1975 rule is gonna make things even more interesting. So many great first round picks fall by the wayside under that rule, time for some creative thinking methinks, especilly slumming it dowm in number f*cking 18!

Minto · 03-04-2009 11:57am

ShawnRaven wrote: »

because Heenan wrestled in tag matches in the AWA pre 1975, he's also out too!

Actually, Heenan is eligible as a manager only. The rule doesn't count for manager or commentators, but they can't wrestle on your card!

Voltwad wrote: »

Count me in if there's any spaces left. Sounds like fun

Sorry, we're full, but I'll put you on the reserves list. Your the second reserve we have.

Cactus Col wrote: »

Probably a bit unimportant ... but out of curiousity, does the WCW International World Heavyweight Championship count as a proper world title?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't most of the holders of the International Championship hold the real WCW title at some stage? I know Ron Simmons is the exception, well I think he is anyway. If we don't count it, Farooq is the only guy who loses out and since JBL has been WWE Champion already, the APA are ineligible as a tag team.

Cactus Col · 03-04-2009 12:06pm

ShawnRaven wrote: »

I would have to say no, primarily because Minto is using wikipedia for his references, and if you go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WCW_World_Heavyweight_Champions

But that page only lists the world heavyweight champions ... at the bottom of that page there are links to all of WCW titles, and categorizes them, so World Heavyweight and International World Heavyweight are both listed as world titles.

I'm happy to go with not including it though, I just wanted to make sure.

Minto wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't most of the holders of the International Championship hold the real WCW title at some stage? I know Ron Simmons is the exception, well I think he is anyway. If we don't count it, Farooq is the only guy who loses out and since JBL has been WWE Champion already, the APA are ineligible as a tag team.

Correcting you! ... Farooq was never International World Heavyweight Champ ... he held the proper World title. Rick Rude, I think, is the only person eligible for the draft who has not held a different world title. (Flair being ineligible, Sting having won other titles, and I don't have a clue about the Japanese champs).

Right now, I really wish that 12 hour rule had been put into practice!

Minto · 03-04-2009 12:09pm

Cactus Col wrote: »

Correcting you! ... Farooq was never International World Heavyweight Champ ... he held the proper World title. Rick Rude, I think, is the only person eligible for the draft who has not held a different world title. (Flair being ineligible, Sting having won other titles, and I don't have a clue about the Japanese champs).

I was thinking I might have been wrong, but I said I'd have a shot in the dark!

Bubs101 · 03-04-2009 12:21pm

Just a thought, maybe you should have to PM the guy after you because Orestes has been on last night he probably just didn't notice he was up

ShawnRaven · 03-04-2009 12:27pm

Or the guy was half asleep, given some of his posting times. I know he's been pulling a few all nighters in college to get last minute stuff in. Either way he still has a few hours.

ShawnRaven · 03-04-2009 12:35pm

Cactus Col wrote: »

But that page only lists the world heavyweight champions ... at the bottom of that page there are links to all of WCW titles, and categorizes them, so World Heavyweight and International World Heavyweight are both listed as world titles.

I'm happy to go with not including it though, I just wanted to make sure.

You missed my point completely. They're the same title essentially. They just used up that cock and bull title because they didn't have the big gold belt and gave it that silly title to justify it.

If you check the reigns of both titles, you'll find they're the exactly the same at the exact same timeframes.

They're both listed as world titles, primarily because it was the same title, just different physical belts. The belts were split, not the actual title though, if you know what I mean?

Bounty Hunter · 03-04-2009 2:37pm

again ill admit im more interested as im no.19 and wont moan (too much

) dependant on your answer but was wondering where we fell on this one in the end

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

maybe we could have a draw after every 2 rounds and the 2nd rd of draft picks could be the reverse of the first. It would keep the ooo what number do i get next element but keep it so that everyone has an equal opportunity for a good roster i.e no. 20 in rd one gets no.1 in rd two or no.1 in rd one gets no.20 in rd two. it would also mean a quicker turn around between rounds as those who just finished the rd of picks will be ready to kickstart the next round maybe still being online from the previous pick and can even plan double picks.

just an idea which yes obviously now seems more appealing to no.19 in the draft

Minto wrote: »

I'm going to let MNG decide this one as he is in charge of the draws, I'd assume it would make life easier on him as there would be less draws to do.

Cactus Col · 03-04-2009 2:46pm

As good as that sounds in theory ...I'd be against that. (not that it matters of course)...

But it's a good deal for those at the top and bottom of a draw, but for those towards the centre it sucks, with the top choices in the first two rounds being taken up.

Minto · 03-04-2009 3:06pm

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

again ill admit im more interested as im no.19 and wont moan (too much ) dependant on your answer but was wondering where we fell on this one in the end

MNG is very busy at the moment so until we decide on a definite route, the old rules apply. If we get to the second round and MNG is still caught up with college stuff, I'll do another draw.

If I have to do another draw, I'm going to seed it, so to speak. People who are in places 1 to 5, can only be drawn as 6-20. People in places 6 - 10 can only be drawn in places 1-5 or 11 - 20 and so on! I think this should make things fair and interesting. Wotcha think?

Bubs101 · 03-04-2009 3:16pm

Minto wrote: »

MNG is very busy at the moment so until we decide on a definite route, the old rules apply. If we get to the second round and MNG is still caught up with college stuff, I'll do another draw.

If I have to do another draw, I'm going to seed it, so to speak. People who are in places 1 to 5, can only be drawn as 6-20. People in places 6 - 10 can only be drawn in places 1-5 or 11 - 20 and so on! I think this should make things fair and interesting. Wotcha think?

It's not a bad idea but the old system is perfectly fair and interesting and alot less work. Nobody had any complaints about it last year and the whole thing balances out in the end. I had a pretty bad draw last year but I never felt at a disadvantage. I think there are only two places where the draw makes a real difference. Places 1-10 in the first round have a definite advantage and the people in the top half of the round where midcarders begin to get picked (round 3 last year) have an advantage. other than that it balances out and it's the quality of picks, not the order that determines the winner. if it's not broke don't fix it

ShawnRaven · 03-04-2009 3:27pm

It's a luck of the draw thing, if you get #20, then T.S really. Means you have to think harder. Just because the likes of Hogan, Rock & Austin are gone in the first round, doesn't particularly mean they're going to win the thing.

The names are just players at the end of the day, but there are many players. It will all depend on not only your players, but the type of card you produce, variation of matches, uses of your players and the overall presentation of your cards.

So if you draw a bottom number, don't sweat it. See it for the challenge that it is and most importantly, enjoy it.
But for gods sakes, don't bitch about it. If you get 3 low numbers in a row, then fine, then start complaining about a bad hand, but it's a bit early to throw in the towel.

Bounty Hunter · 03-04-2009 3:29pm

Minto wrote: »

MNG is very busy at the moment so until we decide on a definite route, the old rules apply. If we get to the second round and MNG is still caught up with college stuff, I'll do another draw.

If I have to do another draw, I'm going to seed it, so to speak. People who are in places 1 to 5, can only be drawn as 6-20. People in places 6 - 10 can only be drawn in places 1-5 or 11 - 20 and so on! I think this should make things fair and interesting. Wotcha think?

id agree with that tbh only re-mentoned it as MNG hadnt noticed you leaving it up to him when he had been online yesterday and dont mind whats decided.

edit: even though i was the one to bring it up, as shawn says, there is no need to complain about getting a bad draw and im not complaining, it was just a idea to eliminate the possibility people getting numerous bad draws which obviously doesent have to be taken on board.

ShawnRaven · 03-04-2009 4:04pm

thealltimelow wrote: »

how long more now ffs

Only catching up on this now due to being out for half the day yesterday. If i find any more posts like this on this thread, I won't be happy! This is meant to be fun.

thealltimelow · 03-04-2009 4:08pm

ok than shawnravan but its very hard waiting for the next person to pick by the way i am sorry for doing this

Minto · 03-04-2009 4:12pm

Its all part of the game. I think it took the bones of 2-3 months last year! This year we have 15 picks to make, as opposed to 10 last year, so be prepared for a lot of long waits!

ShawnRaven · 03-04-2009 4:12pm

thealltimelow wrote: »

ok than shawnravan but its very hard waiting for the next person to pick by the way i am sorry for doing this

That's fair enough, but there are 3 people under you and it's just as hard for them to wait, but that's the way the game works.

Cactus Col · 03-04-2009 4:16pm

Minto wrote: »

Its all part of the game. I think it took the bones of 2-3 months last year! This year we have 15 picks to make, as opposed to 10 last year, so be prepared for a lot of long waits!

15 picks?!

Wow ... .I didn't realise it was that long. Not that I'm complaining. I'm thinking now that it'll be the last 5 rounds or so that will really make the roster rock or suck.

Cactus Col · 03-04-2009 4:39pm

Was looking back through some of last years first round picks .... it's amazing that Hulk Hogan only picked by the 12th person (I think).

Just one more question .... if I picked a tag team could I then have them face off against each other?

For example if I chose The Blackjacks (to use a team ineligible), could I have BlackJack Mulligan face off against BlackJack Lanza ?

ShawnRaven · 03-04-2009 4:43pm

Cactus Col wrote: »

Was looking back through some of last years first round picks .... it's amazing that Hulk Hogan only picked by the 12th person (I think).

One would think that, but the fact of it is, just cos ya get Hogan in the first round, doesn't mean you're going to get a credible name in the second. Or at least one who would work convincingly with Hogan, or at least convincingly enough for anyone to particularly pay attention and make the match stand out.[/quote]

Just one more question .... if I picked a tag team could I then have them face off against each other?

For example if I chose The Blackjacks (to use a team ineligible), could I have BlackJack Mulligan face off against BlackJack Lanza ?

It's possible, Minto?

I wanna see a Zach Gowen/Mad Dog Vachon cripple fight!

Minto · 03-04-2009 5:54pm

Cactus Col wrote: »

15 picks?!

Wow ... .I didn't realise it was that long. Not that I'm complaining. I'm thinking now that it'll be the last 5 rounds or so that will really make the roster rock or suck.

Yea, I know it's a daunting task, everytime I think of it, I'm like oh sh*t what have I gotten us all into, but on the other hand, it gives you a lot more scope to get other guys into your roster and make more choices.

Cactus Col wrote: »

if I picked a tag team could I then have them face off against each other?

For example if I chose The Blackjacks (to use a team ineligible), could I have BlackJack Mulligan face off against BlackJack Lanza ?

Yes, thats allowed. In fact, I think I had Ted DiBiase and Cody Rhodes face each other and I drafter them as a team.

ShawnRaven wrote: »

It's possible, Minto?

I wanna see a Zach Gowen/Mad Dog Vachon cripple fight!

Why? Why would you want to see that crap?

ShawnRaven · 03-04-2009 6:05pm

Minto wrote: »

Why? Why would you want to see that crap?

I've watched Chyna porn, WWE from 95, WCW from 93, John Cena's entire career and i have a 52 Disc wrestlecrap set!

My friend, I am a magnet for crap!

Chong · 03-04-2009 6:16pm

ShawnRaven wrote: »

I've watched Chyna porn, WWE from 95, WCW from 93, John Cena's entire career and i have a 52 Disc wrestlecrap set!

My friend, I am a magnet for crap!

Can I be considered for this if a space opens up, as in can I go on the reserve list?

The 2009 Boards.ie Draft (Discussion and Reaction)

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