The 2009 Boards.ie Draft (Discussion and Reaction)

Minto

Ok, so the draft is 2 weeks away! Last year we had great success with MNG's draft. Me and Shawn have thrown the idea of me hosting this years draft. Shawn contacted MNG to see if he minded me taking it over and he hasn't replied, so unless he has a problem with me taking over his baby, I'm gonna start the draft by the weekend.

Rules are pretty much the same as last year. I think I may impose some restrictions on draft picks. More info to be added later. For now this thread is only for people to say if they are interested or not. I'm gonna say we limit this to 20 people like last year, however I may extend it to 25 if there is demand. Also, I'm going to hold a place for last years champion RRC, so thats 18 places left!

ShawnRaven

Due to my switch in position, i can no longer offer my managerial services to anyone. (Sorry RRC and Minto, you're both on your own this year)

Have fun and enjoy!

Bounty Hunter

im in again.

will try my best not to completley screw up an easy card to book this time, i mean how the hell did i get both Hogan and Cena and yet not book a 1v1 between the two!

maybe a link to the original draft thread in this one so that people can see how it works and cos that thread is a great read.



(wb Minto)

Minto

I would link the old rules, but tbh I haven't read them since last year, so I wanna have a look at them and possibly revise them before I post them and tbh, it's too damn late to do it now, ha ha!

And Shaun, just cos you advised me doesn't mean I listened to you! Although in hind sight I prob should have!

EDIT: Shaun, are you in or are you out?

ShawnRaven

Minto wrote: »

And Shawn, just cos you advised me doesn't mean I listened to you! Although in hind sight I prob should have!

Exactly, and the one person who did listen to me won the f*cking thing!
Who's laughing now?

Bubs101

Minto, I was PMing MNG about this as well about 2 weeks ago and he pretty much gave the go ahead as long as he got some help and seeing as you started this that would make three of us able to run it (assuming you wanted some help). Regarding the rules I think we should open it up to WCW and TNA to vary it a little and expand the numbers to spread it out better. Also, I would have recommended a rule that anyone who competed last year can only pick one of their picks from last year. Definitely in BTW

D.Q

count me in... NOT too sure how its gonna work... but im interested.

ShawnRaven

Your call Minto, Bub's stip also make it interesting.
Another idea though is that last years winner should be exempt from the stipulation, and then this years winner be exempt from next years one, and so on and so forth.

Edit: I'm out man, I'm not really good at these sort of things. I have more fun reading em.

Bounty Hunter

I know this might seem bad and kinda cliquey (99% sure that aint a word ) but last year we had so many long pauses waiting for people to post their draft pick that maybe before everyone declares their interest we should consider limiting the numbers in some way or asking people to guarantee they will be on x amount of times a week before saying they will participate.

maybe not these suggestions but maybe a talk beforehand as last time we made up the rules a bit as we went on with regards to many things i.e time limits for picks, or who was eligable for tag team picks or even who you had to pick i.e atleast 1 female wrestler and atleast 1 tag-team.

ShawnRaven

Pick elimination after a 24 hour period? It may seem steep, but hey, don't sign up if you don't think you can commit. It takes 30 seconds to log in and type your pick after all.

Bubs101

Personally, I'd do away with the one woman rule and the 2 tag limit because it limits the potential of a division and the one woman rule essentially wastes a pick for everyone. Maybe you can only pick 2 tag teams up to round 5 and after that you can take 1 maybe 2 more. As for time, the rule we used in the football draft was very very smooth. 12 hours per pick, you miss your pick you post one at the nearest possible convienience. I'd also recommend doing two draws at once so people can plan their card better.

Bounty Hunter

We should have a rule too that Lance Storm is reserved for Orestes but only on the provision that he picks him shockingly early in the draft and as a singles competitor and not part of a tag team.

Bounty Hunter

Bubs101 wrote: »

Personally, I'd do away with the one woman rule and the 2 tag limit because it limits the potential of a division and the one woman rule essentially wastes a pick for everyone. Maybe you can only pick 2 tag teams up to round 5 and after that you can take 1 maybe 2 more. As for time, the rule we used in the football draft was very very smooth. 12 hours per pick, you miss your pick you post one at the nearest possible convienience. I'd also recommend doing two draws at once so people can plan their card better.

Also, I'd give first say on this to MNG. No disrespect to Minto at all and I know he PMed him but MNG showed a strong interest in bringing this back and it was his baby. I would publish the PMs but that's bad form

id agree with all of this and def think that we should have this rule discussion now whilst people are still saying if they are in or not and before the thing actually gets going so that a new thread like last time can be started for only picks which in the OP can have the rules.

Degag

How this work exactly? I'll put my name down in any case

Edit:// I will put my name out... like shawn i wouldn't be very good at this!

Bounty Hunter

well here is last years thread for anyone interested

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055322368

SlickRic

ah sure, i'll give it a go.

am usually on boards at least once a day, at the very least to check updates. so i should be able to keep up.

orestes

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

We should have a rule too that Lance Storm is reserved for Orestes but only on the provision that he picks him shockingly early in the draft and as a singles competitor and not part of a tag team.

Oh sure, wait till I step down as mod to have a crack you bastid

I'm in either way. I do believe that 24 hours is too short a time span to make a pick though, I think 48 hours is more reasonable. I lknow it sounds like a long time, but not everyone has the chance to log in here every single day.

Bubs101

orestes wrote: »

I'm in either way. I do believe that 24 hours is too short a time span to make a pick though, I think 48 hours is more reasonable. I lknow it sounds like a long time, but not everyone has the chance to log in here every single day.

A shorter rolling time limit is definitely better than a longer one. The football draft only had a 12 hour one but you didn't get bumped to the end if you missed and it ran very smoothly
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055403623

Bounty Hunter

orestes wrote: »

Oh sure, wait till I step down as mod to have a crack you bastid

I'm in either way. I do believe that 24 hours is too short a time span to make a pick though, I think 48 hours is more reasonable. I lknow it sounds like a long time, but not everyone has the chance to log in here every single day.

well i had a feeling someone would make the Lance Storm joke although if im honest I thought that it would be you with a pre-emptive strike like me saying how i sucked ass and didnt book Cena vs Hogan last time instead i threw Yokozuna into the mix for some god awful reason ill think of later.

I do however agree with Bubs that a shorter time limit is better considering all the waiting we had to do last time especially on weekends and that if you miss your go you can post your pick at the next possible opportunity, maybe we could have a 24 hour gap at the end of each draft round incase people need to catch up i dunno.

gimmick

Count me in again. It was fun last year. I just hope everyone this time actually goes to effort to submit their feuds at the end. Some were appalling last time, and these people even admitted this before submitting.

I'm in. It really got the board buzzin last year.

Minto

Just to give people a quick update! The sh*t has hit the fan so to speak, so until myself or Shaun hear from MNG, we can't officially start. You can keep entering up til 20.

Just to make the point again, if MNG wants it back, it's his and I'll be out! Hopefully we can have this cleared up by tonight.

ShawnRaven

Just to clear this up, and i know some of you may have saw what happened late last night, earlier this morning. There was a lot of grief over this, a lot that really shouldn't have been there. For the sake of the board's sanity, i scrubbed some of the postings from here and took it to PM for those involved.

It turned ugly, which isn't the point of this thread at all, the whole idea was for people to have fun with it. But if it's gonna be made awkward then there is little point in this at all. Now thankfully some of those who I PM'd answered back quickly (and i thank you for it), but i'm still waiting to hear back from the rest.

So the sooner we get this show on the road the better, but I need to stress that I don't want political or cliquey BS creeping in here. This is supposed to be done for fun only. Cos that's why most of us are here in the first place for, if i recall correctly.

CMpunked

It looks quite complicated in the way of what if i was putting in my submission say, The Rock, and at the exact same time somebody else is putting their first up as The Rock too?

How does this get policed? (i couldnt think of a better word then policed):o

ShawnRaven

Guys, please stop PMing me asking me what happened about what happened overnight. It's really not up for discussion until it all gets resolved.

Cheers, appreciated.
SR

Bubs101

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

It looks quite complicated in the way of what if i was putting in my submission say, The Rock, and at the exact same time somebody else is putting their first up as The Rock too?

How does this get policed? (i couldnt think of a better word then policed):o

There's an order and a time slot. The chances of that happening are extremely slim anyway

ShawnRaven

Bubs101 wrote: »

There's an order and a time slot. The chances of that happening are extremely slim anyway

Exactly, although you will get many "Damn you xxx, that was my pick" posts

Mr.Nice Guy

I would have liked to be involved in the running of this to be honest and as I have just said via PM to Shawn I don't recall getting any messages from him about the idea of reviving the draft. Myself and Bubs were in discussions over it by PM about starting it up with summer approaching.

Fozzy

I'm in, for now anyway. Is it just going to be WWE guys again? Just a suggestion, but maybe current and former TNA wrestlers could work? There might be a lack of knowledge for some people there though, but there'd be enough wrestlers to choose from. It could be mixed in with something like ex-ECW or WCW wrestlers too if it weren't enough

I at least think that the pool of wrestlers should be changed in some way from the last time. Opening it up to TNA wrestlers too might work

And Shawn, good luck with the amount of editing that you'll have to do if you want to keep up with all the rosters :pac:

Bubs101

Fozzy wrote: »

I'm in, for now anyway. Is it just going to be WWE guys again? Just a suggestion, but maybe current and former TNA wrestlers could work? There might be a lack of knowledge for some people there though, but there'd be enough wrestlers to choose from. It could be mixed in with something like ex-ECW or WCW wrestlers too if it weren't enough

I at least think that the pool of wrestlers should be changed in some way from the last time. Opening it up to TNA wrestlers too might work

I agree. I think introducing a backwards time limit would help so that everyone would know who was picked, say 75 or 80s to now and then opening up the other mainstream companies (WCW and TNA. ECW has such a high spread it's kind of pointless) so you get less controversy over tryout guys and Sting can get picked

Bounty Hunter

Bubs101 wrote: »

I agree. I think introducing a backwards time limit would help so that everyone would know who was picked, say 75 or 80s to now and then opening up the other mainstream companies (WCW and TNA. ECW has such a high spread it's kind of pointless) so you get less controversy over tryout guys and Sting can get picked

ive always wanted to see Sting vs The Undertaker, wouldent mind booking that if the chance arose

Mr.Nice Guy

I think it was Vince who suggested a very good idea that anyone who participated last year can't pick a wrestler they have previously picked. Makes it a bit more challenging.

Bubs101

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I think it was Vince who suggested a very good idea that anyone who participated last year can't pick a wrestler they have previously picked. Makes it a bit more challenging.

You should be allowed repeat one pick. I want Bruno again

Bounty Hunter

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I think it was Vince who suggested a very good idea that anyone who participated last year can't pick a wrestler they have previously picked. Makes it a bit more challenging.

Personally im not too mad on that rule suggestion as rules should not give an advantage to anyone and that would help people who werent in it last time as their options wouldent be limited as apposed to people who were in it before we would be.

tbh im not too pushed on what the rules are but all the other suggestions so far id go with

SlickRic

as someone who didn't participate the last time I think that advantages should not be afforded to newcomers. if people who did ti last year want to steer clear of their previous drafts' picks for the sake of challenging themselves so be it. but I think it would de-value the game as a whole slightly.

Mr.Nice Guy

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Personally im not too mad on that rule suggestion as rules should not give an advantage to anyone and that would help people who werent in it last time as their options wouldent be limited as apposed to people who were in it before we would be.

tbh im not too pushed on what the rules are but all the other suggestions so far id go with

I don't think the idea behind it was to disadvantage people but to freshen it up a bit and prevent picks from going the same way as last year.

I wouldn't pick anyone I did last year just because I'd find it too easy.

ShawnRaven

Fozzy wrote: »

And Shawn, good luck with the amount of editing that you'll have to do if you want to keep up with all the rosters :pac:

Sounds like fun! Any other advice you can give me from your own experiences?

D.Q

Read over the rules there, sounds like good fun!

Whens it all kickin off?

Bounty Hunter

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I don't think the idea behind it was to disadvantage people but to freshen it up a bit and prevent picks from going the same way as last year.

I wouldn't pick anyone I did last year just because I'd find it too easy.

I dont think in any way that was the idea behind it and i like the idea of challenging ourselves in anyway possible and making the draft different like including WCW or TNA guys but it is the one rule that could give an advantage to some.

Ill admit i would pick people i picked last year if they were the best available pick at the time as my main aim would just be to make the best possible roster i could but as i said i dont mind whatever rules are decided on.

Furious-Red

Count me in.

ShawnRaven

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I would have liked to be involved in the running of this to be honest and as I have just said via PM to Shawn I don't recall getting any messages from him about the idea of reviving the draft. Myself and Bubs were in discussions over it by PM about starting it up with summer approaching.

Right guys.
Here's the deal

MNG wasn't gonna be able to commit fully to it until after May, because he has more important commitments.

Minto's commitments are finished and dealt with and has the time to start it up.

So rather than keep everyone waiting. Both MNG and Minto will be working with each other to present this years draft.

And if any input from me is required, like moderator edits and whatnot, then by all means, I can be contacted by MNG or Minto, for submissions and all other queries, MNG or Minto are the best guys to contact.

So without further a do... let's get this show on the road!

Minto

Since Shaun isn't online, I may as well ask this here.

MNG, are you taking over this then?

EDIT: Whoops, look like I'd have gotten my answer if I waited a few mins!

Mr.Nice Guy

Minto wrote: »

Since Shaun isn't online, I may as well ask this here.

MNG, are you taking over this then?

EDIT: Whoops, look like I'd have gotten my answer if I waited a few mins!

I was saying to SR by PM that since I've got a good bit of work to do with college I'd be happy to let you handle the techical aspects, ie the rules and all that jazz. I can help out with the draws (along with my snazzy hat) and if anyone wants to question an aspect of the game they can put it to you since you will be overseeing the thing moreso than myself.

If you need me to assist in other areas you can give me a PM. Just let me know when you need me to do the draw. :cool:

ShawnRaven

Minto wrote: »

Since Shaun isn't online, I may as well ask this here.

MNG, are you taking over this then?

EDIT: Whoops, look like I'd have gotten my answer if I waited a few mins!

Damnit Minto, you're one impatient son of a bitch!
Yes, you both have the go ahead, then you can sort out who does what amongst yerselves!

Minto

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I was saying to SR by PM that since I've got a good bit of work to do with college I'd be happy to let you handle the techical aspects, ie the rules and all that jazz. I can help out with the draws (along with my snazzy hat) and if anyone wants to question an aspect of the game they can put it to you since you will be overseeing the thing moreso than myself.

If you need me to assist in other areas you can give me a PM. Just let me know when you need me to do the draw. :cool:

I'm all for that. I'm working on a draft of the rules right now, once I'm done I'll PM them to you and pending your approval, I'll post them here.

Minto

Ok, so far I've 13 confirmed names and one provisional.

The list so far is:

Mr. Nice Guy
Minto
Rebel Rock Chick (C) [confirmed]
Bounty Hunter
Bubs101
Diesel Queen
SlickRic
orestes
gimmick
jayhaitch2
Fozzy
Comic-Book-Guy [Expressed an interest, but never said he was actually in]
Furious-Red
Flahavaj [Asked by ShawnRaven to include him]

Minto

Ok, so MNG has agreed to these rules, so here they are:

Rules:

- You can include any wrestler who works for or has worked for either WWF/E, WCW, ECW, TNA or NWA. One restriction though is that only wrestlers who debuted after 1975 are eligible. If you are picking a manager, this rule does not apply, but you cannot then have the manager as a wrestler.

- Like last year, no wrestler can be chosen twice so it would get trickier as the rounds go by with the big names already being selected. For example, if someone selects Stone Cold then Stone Cold is no longer available for anybody else! Obviously by the final round, the picks will be harder (and more interesting).

- Each person makes fifteen picks over fifteen rounds. One choice per round. Everyone gets their turn. Numbers are limited to 20 participants.

- Tag teams come as a package so if you want the Dudleys then you don't have to pick Bubba one round and then D-Von the next. You get them as a package. It would be up to you to decide how many tag teams you want but you need at least one team. With regards to stables, they wouldn't come as a package because it would be pretty unfair if people were choosing D-X, Evolution etc.

- With regards to tag teams, to avoid people taking two main eventers via their tag team choice, a la The Rock and Sock connection, you cannot pick a tag team where at least one of the partners went on to become a World champion. Thus choosing 'The Rock and Sock connection' or 'Edge and Christian' for example is not allowed.

To clarify a World champion refers to any wrestler who has captured the WWF/E Championship, the World Heavyweight Championship, the WCW Championship, the TNA Heavyweight Championship, the NWA Heavyweight Championship or the ECW Heavyweight Championship (original ECW, not WWECW). This means John Morrisson is NOT a World champion.

- A tag team is defined as two individuals (male or female) who have a) have tagged together at least once in a televised match, b) been together for at least 3 months(e.g. Santino and Beth Pheonix).
However, a pick such as Trish Stratus and Lita would be discounted as they are more famous for being rivals even though they mostly satisfy the above criteria. Any ambigious picks will be at the discretion of me and MNG. In the event where we can't agree, a mod will be asked to make the pick.

- Managers and female wrestlers are eligible if people wish to pick them, but they are not required and are optional.

- I suggest leaving out commentators, at least for the time being, but if people think otherwise then we can discuss it.

- When it's your turn, you have 12 hours to make your pick. The picks will be made on the designated thread here. If you fail to pick anyone in the time limit then your turn is skipped and either myself or MNG will PM you to inform you you will have 24 hours to make your pick at the end of the round. If you fail to do so, you don't get a pick that round. Three (3) misses and your out, no exceptions or appeals. Once someone is eliminated, his roster picks become re-eligible for selection starting with the next round.


I think these should cover everything, but if anyone has any suggestions, fire away!

RebelRockChick

Minto wrote: »

Rebel Rock Chick (C) [Provisional, awaiting confirmation]

Count me in

Cactus Col

And also me!

(please)

Bubs101

Just to clarify,are there any restrictions on the number of tag teams or last draft picks?

Fozzy

I think that the time limit needs a looking at. Bubs' suggestion of what happened on the soccer forum was that you get 12 hours to make your pick, but if you miss it then you can still post it as soon as possible rather than wait til the end of the round. It gives other people a chance to take their turn, but it doesn't leave anyone stuck for time, as I imagine a strict 12 hour time limit will leave a lot of people