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Atheism is "cool"

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    #122
    sukikettle
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    Jammie He says faith the size of a mustard seed can move a mountain.Yours seems just about the right size


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    #123
    Dudess
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    Backing Israel isn't correlative with being a Christian. I know many who would be critical of Israel too. However I'd be a moderate on the Israel - Palestine issue, i.e I see that Hamas and militants are also at fault and Israel shouldn't be the only one to blame, but blame is due to it too. I was very much pro-Palestinian a year or two ago.

    As for Irish people being Unionists indeed that isn't very common. I'm not very nationalistic really, but going unionist is a bit of the flipside :)

    Denying climate change, I've had my skeptical moments but I still think it's a worthy cause :D
    No sorry, I wasn't using those examples as causes typical Christians believe in, I was just making general points.
    sukikettle wrote: »
    I'd like to ask a question and be honest...do any of you 100% not believe in God...like not a single grain of you wonders
    Well I'm agnostic so I don't discount the possibility that there's a higher power. I just don't believe it's possible that this higher power is a kind, loving one. I think, if there is one, it's just... "there".


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    #124
    sukikettle
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    Doc I'm the resident nutter i.e. I'm a born again bible-believing/quoting Holy Spirit filled new Creation in Jesus Christ:)


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    #125
    docdolittle
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    Well I just live and let live, I have my own moral standards which would prob run along the same lines as christianity... well except for the sex stuff :P to hell with waiting till your married :P So I never seen much point to devoting your self to a higher being who prob couldn't care less if you go to church as long as you live a good life :P


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    #126
    philologos
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    -JammyDodger- wrote: »
    I'm somewhere around 99.999% I'd say. Of course I could never be 100% sure he doesn't; in the same way I could never be 100% sure goblins or fairys don't.

    As discussed above goblins and fairies fall into the same category of the FSM. Christianity has a lot more behind it than these texts in areas of academic debate, such as in history, archaeology, philosophy, theology and so on.


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    #127
    ntlbell
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    Dudess wrote: »
    It's not anti establishment seeing as religion is part of the establishment, but it is going against a grain.

    With the amount of churches being sold/turned into night clubs the lack of new sign ups to the priest hood the serious reductions in attendance at mass etc

    would being a good practicing catholic not be going against the grain?

    or is that your point


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    #128
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    sukikettle wrote: »
    Jammie He says faith the size of a mustard seed can move a mountain.Yours seems just about the right size

    But you see, I don't have faith at all, that .001% isn't faith. I think anyone who says they are 100% sure there is no God is just foolish, of course they can't be sure there isn't one. No atheist should be 100% sure, if they are they're just as "bad" as the fundamentalist Christian or Muslim.

    I believe that the possibility of a theistic God existing is on par with the possibility of Russell's teapot (or any other fantastic idea) existing. But, a deistic God is a different story altogether. A deistic God would probably lie around the 1% chance of existance, to me anyway. Where as a theistic God lies somewhere around .0001%.


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    #129
    MatthewVII
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    As discussed above goblins and fairies fall into the same category of the FSM. Christianity has a lot more behind it than these texts in areas of academic debate, such as in history, archaeology, philosophy, theology and so on.

    Well, you could argue that archaeology, philosophy and theology all stem from the history.

    Which goes back to the old argument that the only edge that god has on the FSM is time.


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    #130
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    As discussed above goblins and fairies fall into the same category of the FSM. Christianity has a lot more behind it than these texts in areas of academic debate, such as in history, archaeology, philosophy, theology and so on.

    Maybe so. But I still regard it to be on par with other such beliefs. Christianity may have a lot behind it, but God doesn't.


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    #131
    sukikettle
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    so if God exists even at odds of 0.001% that's still high if you turn out wrong and come face to face with Him. You will have spent your one life dissing Him and what's He supposed to do with you...what would you deserve?


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    #132
    Dudess
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    ntlbell wrote: »
    With the amount of churches being sold/turned into night clubs the lack of new sign ups to the priest hood the serious reductions in attendance at mass etc

    would being a good practicing catholic not be going against the grain?

    or is that your point
    Yep, that be my point.


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    #133
    Dudess
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    sukikettle wrote: »
    so if God exists even at odds of 0.001% that's still high if you turn out wrong and come face to face with Him. You will have spent your one life dissing Him and what's He supposed to do with you...what would you deserve?
    His understanding that a person will surely feel doubts as to his existence considering tsunamis, cancer, hurricanes, cot death...


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    #134
    ntlbell
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    sukikettle wrote: »
    so if God exists even at odds of 0.001% that's still high if you turn out wrong and come face to face with Him. You will have spent your one life dissing Him and what's He supposed to do with you...what would you deserve?

    What if you explain you weren't dissing him you were dissing Zeus or one of the other gods.

    just wait to see which one exactly exists and go "ah no i was slagging the other one"

    problem solved.


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    #135
    sukikettle
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    Dudess it just doesn't work like that as logical as it may be to you. God isn't helpless and He doesn't shrug feebily when we get up there because we've been through cancer, tsunamis etc Our only objective as His creation is to seek Him and love Him and remain faithful. It's what He's always been doing for us. It's a 2 way street, very much father/child. You have to remember who is behind evil.Even Jesus said a house divided against itself will fall. Attributing evil to God is blasphemous and illogical


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    #136
    sukikettle
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    Zeus is a greek washing powder, great at removing egg but not sin;)


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    #137
    ntlbell
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    sukikettle wrote: »
    Dudess it just doesn't work like that as logical as it may be to you. God isn't helpless and He doesn't shrug feebily when we get up there because we've been through cancer, tsunamis etc Our only objective as His creation is to seek Him and love Him and remain faithful. It's what He's always been doing for us. It's a 2 way street, very much father/child. You have to remember who is behind evil.Even Jesus said a house divided against itself will fall. Attributing evil to God is blasphemous and illogical

    How do you know all this?

    and which god?

    pass the pipe..


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    #138
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    sukikettle wrote: »
    so if God exists even at odds of 0.001% that's still high if you turn out wrong and come face to face with Him. You will have spent your one life dissing Him and what's He supposed to do with you...what would you deserve?

    Ah Pascal's Wager. Well that's a risk I'm willing to take to be honest. If it turns out he is real, and that he thinks I deserve eternal damnation for being rational and using the intelligence he gave me, then so be it. Hell, here I come.


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    #139
    MatthewVII
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    sukikettle wrote: »
    so if God exists even at odds of 0.001% that's still high if you turn out wrong and come face to face with Him. You will have spent your one life dissing Him and what's He supposed to do with you...what would you deserve?

    To be honest, I'd stop bible-bashing and preaching judgement to atheists/agnostics. Your response to what Jammie said is exactly why the church is losing followers.


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    #140
    MackDeToaster
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    sukikettle wrote: »
    so if God exists even at odds of 0.001% that's still high if you turn out wrong and come face to face with Him. You will have spent your one life dissing Him and what's He supposed to do with you...what would you deserve?

    If god is so petty and vindictive (human) that he/she/it wants to punish me, then it's not a god which is worthy of worship.

    If it's the other case and god doesn't have a problem with it, then.. there is no problem.


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    #141
    MatthewVII
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    sukikettle wrote: »
    Dudess it just doesn't work like that as logical as it may be to you. God isn't helpless and He doesn't shrug feebily when we get up there because we've been through cancer, tsunamis etc Our only objective as His creation is to seek Him and love Him and remain faithful. It's what He's always been doing for us. It's a 2 way street, very much father/child. You have to remember who is behind evil.Even Jesus said a house divided against itself will fall. Attributing evil to God is blasphemous and illogical

    "god" is an omnipotent superbeing. The best thing he could think of to do with his time is to create beings whose only purpose is to worship him? Seems like kindof a lame and self-serving thing to do.


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    #142
    MackDeToaster
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    sukikettle wrote: »
    You have to remember who is behind evil.
    sukikettle wrote: »
    Attributing evil to God is blasphemous and illogical

    Is there not a bit of a contradiction here ? Or who are you saying is behind evil?


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    #143
    philologos
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    Dudess wrote: »
    Well I'm agnostic so I don't discount the possibility that there's a higher power. I just don't believe it's possible that this higher power is a kind, loving one. I think, if there is one, it's just... "there".

    Ah interesting. Just wondering, have you ever read any philosophy of religion (particularly on the problem of evil)?


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    #144
    The Mad Hatter
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    sukikettle is a fraud and a troll.


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    #145
    sukikettle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 315 ✭✭sukikettle


    I'm quoting the bible not being preachy...If He is in charge of all creation and He sets some rules and asks you to follow them with faith then He has a right to damn.It's not petty or vindictive.If you worked for a company you had no faith in and disrespected the boss and were mostly unco-operative and spouted disrespectful statements about him what would he do. Where would the contrary be written into any contract that exists. It makes sense. Believe it or not God owes you nothing


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    #146
    sukikettle
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    Mad you're rude and your comment is unwarranted


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    #147
    MackDeToaster
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    If parents went off and left their kids to fend for themselves, even if they left a note on the fridge saying how to work the oven, they'd be arrested and charged with neglect. They have a duty of care. Seeing as god, being god, is constantly listening in via the baby monitor and watching over cctv, letting Timmy torture the dog and set Sarah on fire is pretty indicitive that he doesn't give a fcuk alright, as you said yourself. So the question is, why would you want anything to do with a parent like that ?


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    #148
    ntlbell
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    sukikettle wrote: »
    I'm quoting the bible not being preachy...If He is in charge of all creation and He sets some rules and asks you to follow them with faith then He has a right to damn.It's not petty or vindictive.If you worked for a company you had no faith in and disrespected the boss and were mostly unco-operative and spouted disrespectful statements about him what would he do. Where would the contrary be written into any contract that exists. It makes sense. Believe it or not God owes you nothing

    what did ye think about the 3 bears and the porridge going missing


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    #149
    MatthewVII
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    sukikettle wrote: »
    I'm quoting the bible not being preachy.

    I'm pretty sure that's a direct contradiction
    sukikettle wrote:
    If you worked for a company you had no faith in and disrespected the boss

    The difference is that you know a boss exists, he hired you, you see him regularly and know damn well he's in charge of your paycheck. Imagine instead you are walking along one day and come to an empty workstation in the middle of nowhere with a pile of accounts that need balancing on it. You either believe that a divine being placed it in your way for some reason and get to work, with nothing keeping you going other than the thought of someone looking down and overseeing you, or you keep going and refuse to jump to any conclusions.


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    #150
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    sukikettle wrote: »
    I'm quoting the bible not being preachy...If He is in charge of all creation and He sets some rules and asks you to follow them with faith then He has a right to damn.It's not petty or vindictive.If you worked for a company you had no faith in and disrespected the boss and were mostly unco-operative and spouted disrespectful statements about him what would he do. Where would the contrary be written into any contract that exists. It makes sense. Believe it or not God owes you nothing

    Suikikettle, can I ask you to do one thing? Just one thing. Please, oh please, stop preaching to us. It gets very annoying very quickly. I don't want to be preached to while I'm snooping around Boards, I just want to be left to do my own thing. So I beg of you suki, please stop preaching!


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    #151
    The Mad Hatter
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    sukikettle wrote: »
    Mad you're rude and your comment is unwarranted

    I'm rude, yes, but my comment is true.


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