Killarney Thread

kerry4sam

Just been reading about the Rally over in the Motors forum

dmeehan

why dont the Gardaí or the OPW close off Ross Rd where it crosses the line into the National Park?

but then this would only move the problem elsewhere - last year also there was a lot of boy racers "camping" in (the new) Tesco car park leaving a lot of glass bottles rubbish etc behind them. not to mention the usual dangerous driving, handbrake turns and donuts and the rest. boy racers, stop being such a tight arse and pay for a damn b&b/hotel or whatever

kerry4sam

Talk in Killarney at the moment is that not as many people will be following the Rally of the Lakes this year. Due to the economic situation some may have had lost their jobs or had their apprenticeships terminated and spending money on a souped-up-car never mind travelling down here to Killarney for the Rally is last on their minds.

newman10

No Rally in Beaufort so its up tha Gap for a walk and into Kates/Tearooms for refreshments

MementoMori

dmeehan wrote: »

<sidebar>whose brilliant idea was it to build a big fecking wall around the national park along the inner relief road, its like the berlin wall ffs. even half height with a wall and the rest with railings, so at least tourists can SEE the amenity that is behind it</sidebar>

I think if they replaced some of the high wall with the wall and railings as suggested from say Golden Gate to the Zebra Crossing at the Plaza it would make this much the national park accessable and open to tourists. I think that a lot of tourists probably don't realise just how close to the national park they are when they are in town. Maybe in the future there might be funds to alter the wall, but I think that taking care of Killarney House should be a priority at the moment. I heard it's in pretty bad state of repair.

FRANKENFURTER wrote: »

kerry what i meant is why not do more there just inside the gates across from the cottage.......why not get a skate board park in there .....why not build a band stand in there .......why not put in facility's so families can go of a Sunday for a picnic.......why not put a running track around some so locals can do circuit training in there .......why not build a mountain bike circuit in there........why not allow someone rent water sports equipment in there ,,....as someone who walks there five or six days a week and see all the different things that could be done for kids teams adults senior citizens with little needed as regards money to do i t.where are all these benches you seem to think are there...there is not one single table in there......and why should everybody have to do without because of mindless thugs...go and look at the playground and see the joy to be had with a little bit of innovation:rolleyes:

I think there is probably no chance to see massive development like this happening, especially given the economic situation. The impression I get from what I've heard about the OPW is that they aren't really interested in developing things like this as its just extra hassle for them. The decision by the O.P.W. to build the playground is to be commended but the situation with parking alongside Port Rd is just a disaster. Passed here on Sunday and on the fine day the playground was jammed but parking was a joke. Getting children in and out of cars from the parking provided has to be a safety concern. Fingers crossed nothing serious happens here.

I think in terms of getting people (especially tourists) to use the national park more there is probably more potential at the Golden Gate end of things as opposed to the New Street end. There is probably a lot more foot traffic by tourists around Christ the King area than around the entrance to the Demesne down by the Cathedral.

It would be brilliant if the park became more integrated with the town, especially when you consider how close it is to the centre of town. There surely has to be a great opportunity here. It has improved a fair bit since the Golden Gates have been opened up but I think there is still massive potential here.

I think if Killarney House was redeveloped maybe have some potential for a public performance space to be incorporated there i.e. band stand

I don't think a skate board would be such a great idea in the national park. I'm also pretty sure since skate boarding would be classified as a high-risk activity by insurance companies there would be an issue with insurance cover and costs. It would be nice to see something for teenagers as at the moment facilities are pretty lacking.

As for people wanting to run, I think a number of joggers use the paths provided, so I think investing in a running track would be a bit redundant. For the rental of water sports equipment, surely Ross Castle would be the best location for this given the rowing clubs and boat-trips opperate from there already. Pretty sure there is someone who rents kayaking equipment at Ross sometimes. Will do some research and see if I can find out more.
Adding a decent water-sports centre at Ross could well be a good opportunity to improve facilities for tourists and locals alike at a relatively low cost.

As someone mentioned already I think a bowling alley would be a good addition to the town. Kinda surprised someone hasn't build one. Sadly can't imagine one will be built in the near future given the economic climate. I wonder if upstairs in the Outlet centre might be a possibility? Near enough to town centre, would improve footfall for the centre especially upstairs, seems to be a fair bit of space going begging up there. Given a reasonally favourable rent and a decent term lease I could see it as a reasonable bet for a business, if the economic cliamte was anyway decent. The increase in football upstairs would surely make it worth the owners while to give a decent terms to whoever did set this up. Would also be an additional all-weather facility for tourists.

dmeehan

MementoMori wrote: »

As someone mentioned already I think a bowling alley would be a good addition to the town. Kinda surprised someone hasn't build one. Sadly can't imagine one will be built in the near future given the economic climate. I wonder if upstairs in the Outlet centre might be a possibility? Near enough to town centre, would improve footfall for the centre especially upstairs, seems to be a fair bit of space going begging up there. Given a reasonally favourable rent and a decent term lease I could see it as a reasonable bet for a business, if the economic cliamte was anyway decent. The increase in football upstairs would surely make it worth the owners while to give a decent terms to whoever did set this up. Would also be an additional all-weather facility for tourists.

that is one of the best ideas i have heard for the upstairs in the outlet centre
dunno if it would be physically possible or not??? I wonder if the new bowling alley in tralee would have an impact on the viability of one in killarney

oeb

dmeehan wrote: »

that is one of the best ideas i have heard for the upstairs in the outlet centre
dunno if it would be physically possible or not??? I wonder if the new bowling alley in tralee would have an impact on the viability of one in killarney

The one in Tralee is stupid expensive. Me and a friend called them up on Saturday, and they told us it would be 42 euro for the two of us to rent an alley for an hour!

kerry4sam

oeb wrote: »

The one in Tralee is stupid expensive. Me and a friend called them up on Saturday, and they told us it would be 42 euro for the two of us to rent an alley for an hour!

:eek: wow just a tad on the pricy side if ione were to bring a family there for an evening.

dmeehan

renting a lane costs the same for 1-6 players for an hour
but the more playing on the lane, the less goes each individual gets
so it could be as little as 7 quid each for an hour

kerry4sam

dmeehan wrote: »

renting a lane costs the same for 1-6 players for an hour
but the more playing on the lane, the less goes each individual gets
so it could be as little as 7 quid each for an hour

ah yeah for a group of people the breakdown is next-to-nothing but if parents were to bring their children, well doubt they'll be there every week.

A bowling alley is badly needed in Killarney though, well their are a lot of things badly needed in the town but jeez something indoors on days like today with the spontaneoous weather is badly needed!

Davidth88

It is great to see a discussion about the Town but it is a pity that more people are not getting involved even the other Kerry Board users who visit the town on the odd weekend

I have just discovered this thread , wasn't going to post until I saw the above.

I live in kildare , however visit Killarney very often because of family there. I have been visiting the town 4-5 times a year for the last 16 years.

I have always felt that the National Park near the town is not accessable enough . The posters who mention the wall near Killarney House are right , it's horrible , I am not sure of it's purpose . I don't recall seeing signposting for pedestrians either ( it could be I just don't see it ).

It would be lovely to see Killarney house put to some use, the idea of a bandstand is a nice one, however you would have to be careful it didn't become a collection point for undesirable people after dark.

The playground is a great addition , however the parking sitaution is a disaster waiting to happen , couldn't the area across the road , which I think has a special needs centre be utilised , and then build a pedestrian crossing.

One of the big problems I see when I am walking around the town to be frank , especially in the summer is the smell of the horses. I usually walk in down the Muckross Rd , it's horrible and also messy. I don't really have a suggestion I am afraid.

The lack of facilities on a wet day is a problem, but then again what do you provide ? To a great extent the town is seen as a base for a visit to the area , people tend to exit the town during the day and visit elsewhere. So it's the long summer evenings you need to concentrate on.

The pedestrianisation ( sp ? ) of the street from the Plaza down to Market Cross works well , really this should be done all the time ( excepting deliveries ) and encourage market stalls etc down there . It creates a nice buzz around the town.

anyway , theres a quick ' brain dump' for all the good it will do .

newman10

dmeehan wrote: »

renting a lane costs the same for 1-6 players for an hour
but the more playing on the lane, the less goes each individual gets
so it could be as little as 7 quid each for an hour

Do many from Killarney go over and is the catchment area in Killarney big enough outside of May to Oct.

The lack of people coming to town is becoming a major issue to everyone

newman10

Davidth88 wrote: »

One of the big problems I see when I am walking around the town to be frank , especially in the summer is the smell of the horses. I usually walk in down the Muckross Rd , it's horrible and also messy. I don't really have a suggestion I am afraid.

Read somewhere that the jarveys refused to clean up after horses going through the National Park. :mad:

They have to realize that we all have equal access to the Park

dmeehan

newman10 wrote: »

Read somewhere that the jarveys refused to clean up after horses going through the National Park. :mad:

They have to realize that we all have equal access to the Park

well the OPW/Council/whoever should deny them access to the National Park until they clean up after "themselves" (sic)

Also, for fouling on the streets there is existing legislation regarding dog fouling and littering. I know that if i was to dump a pile of horse**** on the muckross road i would be prosecuted for littering, why not the jarveys too??

</end of rant>

MementoMori

dmeehan wrote: »

that is one of the best ideas i have heard for the upstairs in the outlet centre
dunno if it would be physically possible or not??? I wonder if the new bowling alley in tralee would have an impact on the viability of one in killarney

Cheers;)
Don't know much about the physical layout - maybe if it was spread lengthwise between two units upstairs ? - havent been upstairs in the Outlet in a couple of years now, so I'm a bit fuzzy. I also have some notion that bowling lanes/equipment are kinda heavy - don't know where I picked this up and has a good chance of not being correct.

oeb wrote: »

The one in Tralee is stupid expensive. Me and a friend called them up on Saturday, and they told us it would be 42 euro for the two of us to rent an alley for an hour!

Ouch that sounds pretty steep - especially in these times. Do they run any special offers/ have membership/off-peak rates?

kerry4sam wrote: »

A bowling alley is badly needed in Killarney though, well their are a lot of things badly needed in the town but jeez something indoors on days like today with the spontaneoous weather is badly needed!

Just wondering what else you think is needed. Overall I think Killarney is probably one of the best towns in the country in terms of ammenities.

Davidth88 wrote: »

I have always felt that the National Park near the town is not accessable enough . The posters who mention the wall near Killarney House are right , it's horrible , I am not sure of it's purpose . I don't recall seeing signposting for pedestrians either ( it could be I just don't see it ).

Not 100% but I don't think there are any signs indicating how close the national park is to town for pedestrians.

Davidth88 wrote: »

It would be lovely to see Killarney house put to some use, the idea of a bandstand is a nice one, however you would have to be careful it didn't become a collection point for undesirable people after dark.

I'm pretty sure that there have been issues with undesirable people after dark
in here which is the reason there are CCTV at the Golden Gate entrance. It is a bit of a tricky one all right.

Davidth88 wrote: »

The playground is a great addition , however the parking sitaution is a disaster waiting to happen , couldn't the area across the road , which I think has a special needs centre be utilised , and then build a pedestrian crossing.

I really do fear that until someone(most likely a child) is injured here nothing will be done:mad:

Davidth88 wrote: »

anyway , theres a quick ' brain dump' for all the good it will do .

You never know - with the local elections coming up - it has helped in terms of some of things I'm going to be harassing the candidates about.

Davidth88 wrote: »

One of the big problems I see when I am walking around the town to be frank , especially in the summer is the smell of the horses. I usually walk in down the Muckross Rd , it's horrible and also messy. I don't really have a suggestion I am afraid.

dmeehan wrote: »

well the OPW/Council/whoever should deny them access to the National Park until they clean up after "themselves" (sic)

Also, for fouling on the streets there is existing legislation regarding dog fouling and littering. I know that if i was to dump a pile of horse**** on the muckross road i would be prosecuted for littering, why not the jarveys too??

</end of rant>

Totally agree 100% about this. The Jarveys just don't want to do this because it would mean slightly more hassle for them. There should be made use horse diapers similar to the type used in Central Park or else be banned from the National Park as well as prosecuted for littering.
This is one of the main issues I'm going to be harassing the local election candidates on and I would urge others to do so too. It's not good enough that a small minority can inconvience the vast majority of the people, especially when the situation can be remedied so easily.

newman10

MementoMori wrote: »

Just wondering what else you think is needed. Overall I think Killarney is probably one of the best towns in the country in terms of ammenities.

Hi MementoMori

Great reading in your threads but one problem as I see is that most of the Ammenities in Killarney are Outdoor and if you were in Town with Teenagers on a wet weekend

Great Pools,Gyms and Spas provided you are in one of the Hotels

MementoMori

newman10 wrote: »

Hi MementoMori

Great reading in your threads but one problem as I see is that most of the Ammenities in Killarney are Outdoor and if you were in Town with Teenagers on a wet weekend

Great Pools,Gyms and Spas provided you are in one of the Hotels

I suppose currently the cinema is an option, but you're probably largely right.
The facilities for teens aren't the greatest.

A skatepark might help but insurance could be an issue.
The previously mentioned bowling alley would be an improvment.
Possibly some sort of youth club/drop-in centre with internet access/pool table where teenagers could hang out?

kerry4sam

kerry4sam wrote: »

...A bowling alley is badly needed in Killarney though, well their are a lot of things badly needed in the town but jeez something indoors on days like today with the spontaneoous weather is badly needed!

MementoMori wrote: »

...Just wondering what else you think is needed. Overall I think Killarney is probably one of the best towns in the country in terms of ammenities...

MementoMori wrote: »

I suppose currently the cinema is an option, but you're probably largely right.
The facilities for teens aren't the greatest.

A skatepark might help but insurance could be an issue.
The previously mentioned bowling alley would be an improvment.
Possibly some sort of youth club/drop-in centre with internet access/pool table where teenagers could hang out?

Some of what you mentioned eg:CCTV cameras was already mentioned before and were numerous outdoor possible activites.
The bowling alley was mentioned as an idea for primarily an indoor activity but also for something different in the town.

You mentioned a possible youthclub/drop-in centre - we already have that in town www.kdys.ie who have what you said you would like to see including the drop-in centre which I used to help supervise for awhile at week-ends. It is great to a sense but some teens of that age feel they are too old for it and opt to spend their Friday evenings just lining the streets, sitting on windowsills or hanging down several laneways. The facilities are there, just not utilised to its potential which is a shame imo.

Killarney won't see anything new for the forseeable future as no-one can agree on what's firstly needed and secondly what should take priority in the town.
The only difference Killarney will see over the coming years will be more and more of the smaller shops closing down, unfortunately.

FRANKENFURTER

kerry4sam wrote: »

Some of what you mentioned eg:CCTV cameras was already mentioned before and were numerous outdoor possible activites.
The bowling alley was mentioned as an idea for primarily an indoor activity but also for something different in the town.

You mentioned a possible youthclub/drop-in centre - we already have that in town www.kdys.ie who have what you said you would like to see including the drop-in centre which I used to help supervise for awhile at week-ends. It is great to a sense but some teens of that age feel they are too old for it and opt to spend their Friday evenings just lining the streets, sitting on windowsills or hanging down several laneways. The facilities are there, just not utilised to its potential which is a shame imo.

Killarney won't see anything new for the forseeable future as no-one can agree on what's firstly needed and secondly what should take priority in the town.
The only difference Killarney will see over the coming years will be more and more of the smaller shops closing down, unfortunately.

Must say i agree with almost all you have said......we have more than any other town i can think off but the big white elephant is the national park...open the skate park but tell peope they use it at there own risk..for the teenagers we need to open non alcohol bars i said this back when kdys opened first i was involved with the setting up of the games room..this was my proposel at the time...Find premises kit it out like a young persons bar i.e pool table darts plasmas ect.leave the local teenage bands and djs provide te entertainment there........open it from six to half ten weekdays and twelve till eleven thirty weekends......have a specal membership card that you must swipe to get entry and to leave...................you must be at least 15 to get membership and you have to leave when you hit 18.....staff it with collage students and people that are round the 20 to 23 mark......because these people are relevant to that age group..........teenagers are not going to hang around anywhere that there is adults watching over them....ive seen this type of club working very well in germany ,..and im sure it could work here....

newman10

kerry4sam wrote: »

The only difference Killarney will see over the coming years will be more and more of the smaller shops closing down, unfortunately.

I was speaking to one of the owners of a small shop yesterday evening and he said informed me that he was trying to renogiate his lease but was getting nowhere and he is of the opinion that the whole shopping environment is gone from Killarney.

FRANKENFURTER

newman10 wrote: »

I was speaking to one of the owners of a small shop yesterday evening and he said informed me that he was trying to renogiate his lease but was getting nowhere and he is of the opinion that the whole shopping environment is gone from Killarney.

Sadly all the shops in the town are owed by about less than ten people so there is little scope to renogotiate prices i wa sbrought to the courts two years ago to increase my rent i went to look for a different premises and was told my name was bad because of it now sadly i have about six monts left and must move my shop to tralee...you know things are bad when you have a head shop and a sex shop pen in town and not a murmor over each....bt a year ago there was uproar over a bookies......roll on the first strip club i say.....

newman10

In similar situation but have found new premises. Landlord playing hardball and have threatened to leave, feck the name everyone is complaining about the Golden Circle in Killarney who refuse to budge about rents and are driving business out of Town. :mad:

Maybe we should set up a Tenants Alliance, find a friendly solicitor and try to take them on

Going to be interesting as to what type of weekend it will be. Petrol Heads with no money

Frankenfurther is P*t S*****n the Bookies friend your Landlord or do you want to disclose

PM me if you want

kerry4sam

newman10 wrote: »

...
Going to be interesting as to what type of weekend it will be. Petrol Heads with no money

well they started rolling into town yesterday but the town was v-quiet in the bars & nightclubs though.

FRANKENFURTER

newman10 wrote: »

In similar situation but have found new premises. Landlord playing hardball and have threatened to leave, feck the name everyone is complaining about the Golden Circle in Killarney who refuse to budge about rents and are driving business out of Town. :mad:

Maybe we should set up a Tenants Alliance, find a friendly solicitor and try to take them on

Going to be interesting as to what type of weekend it will be. Petrol Heads with no money

Frankenfurther is P*t S*****n the Bookies friend your Landlord or do you want to disclose

PM me if you want

the manyou have in mind is not my landlord but yes he has a lot to answer for when i comes to rent prices but i just seen a pound shop opening in one of his premises so he must be under pressure as a lot of his otherf interests which i presume you know about are going quite badly

newman10

FRANKENFURTER wrote: »

the manyou have in mind is not my landlord but yes he has a lot to answer for when i comes to rent prices but i just seen a pound shop opening in one of his premises so he must be under pressure as a lot of his otherf interests which i presume you know about are going quite badly

It would be interesting to know what rent he is getting and I did hear what Julie's Barber shop is paying. He took a big drop and so did Trigger Happy

kerry4sam

does anyone know anything about "big generator" in TheGrand this coming Tuesday?

newman10

FRANKENFURTER wrote: »

Sadly all the shops in the town are owed by about less than ten people so there is little scope to renogotiate prices i wa sbrought to the courts two years ago to increase my rent i went to look for a different premises and was told my name was bad because of it now sadly i have about six monts left and must move my shop to tralee...you know things are bad when you have a head shop and a sex shop pen in town and not a murmor over each....bt a year ago there was uproar over a bookies......roll on the first strip club i say.....

Why move to Tralee ? Will that make any difference because Tralee is under as much pressure as Killarney

I heard that there was a big write up in the Advertiser about the Head Shop but I cannot get my hands on one

kerry4sam

newman10 wrote: »

...
I heard that there was a big write up in the Advertiser about the Head Shop but I cannot get my hands on one

A full-page spread headline: "NEW SHOP OPENING CAUSES WAVE OF CONERN"

"...outraged to learn that a shop in Killarney could potentially be selling substances, while legal, that are psycho-active and designed to chemically mirror their illegal counterparts" ...

with comments from Ed O'Neill, Principal St.Brendans College ; Fiona O'brien, Principal Killarney Community College ; John Reidy, Chairman B.O.M. St.Brigids Secondary School; Sean O'Grady & Chris Barrow, Kerry Life Education Unit.

johnnyc

kerry4sam wrote: »

A full-page spread headline: "NEW SHOP OPENING CAUSES WAVE OF CONERN"

"...outraged to learn that a shop in Killarney could potentially be selling substances, while legal, that are psycho-active and designed to chemically mirror their illegal counterparts" ...

with comments from Ed O'Neill, Principal St.Brendans College ; Fiona O'brien, Principal Killarney Community College ; John Reidy, Chairman B.O.M. St.Brigids Secondary School; Sean O'Grady & Chris Barrow, Kerry Life Education Unit.

best advertisment for that shop

carchaeologist

Maybe about time this was stickied,heres looking at you 440Hz....;)