M6 - Galway City Ring Road [planning decision pending]

what_traffic

marno21 wrote: »

Something has to be done to stop this getting destroyed in the same way as everything else has been. TII are not as blase when it comes to these things as the councils and NRA were at the time, policy has changed.

What is this "something"? Legislation?
You still have not answered the question of this been "easy" to legislate for?
Where is this legislation and who is proposing it? Are TII drawing it up?

cgcsb

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Sprawl isn’t the issue in Galway.

:rolleyes:
Sprawl is THE problem in Galway.

marno21

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Sprawl isn’t the issue in Galway. A complete lack of road density is. All traffic gets funnelled down about 2 roads for traffic coming from the east. That disastrous.

Your points about the roads are correct - but most of the traffic is single occupant cars coming from low density developments all around east Galway

Look at the Monivea Road our past Carnmore Cross. A long line of houses - very issue to solve traffic congestion when that's what you are dealing with

marno21

what_traffic wrote: »

What is this "something"? Legislation?
You still have not answered the question of this been "easy" to legislate for?
Where is this legislation and who is proposing it? Are TII drawing it up?

First of all - a motorway order on the N6 part of this scheme.

All the approach roads are either national roads or already developed, which should mean that TII have the power to object to any developments which may reduce the level of service on the new road.

West of N6/N59 is a different story. It's unclear who will be in charge of this part of the road but if it's to be Galway Council it needs to be built under a Protected Road order

youngrun

Deleted User wrote: »

Sports fields, easily rebuilt. They are a flat piece of ground ffs

The schools? You are referring to one that the residents hate and another they have actively blocked for over a decade, those schools? Nice to hear the tune changing

Historical consideration is made with every development. Besides, it might be the best thing to ever happen. The M18 going within 500 meters of Bunratty Castle has only increased the patronage.

According to the recent publications, the planning application is being designed to mitigate against the impact of objections. What that entails, I don't know. I guess we'll have to wait and see

No matter what happens, this road will be built, this is the alternative, there is no other

NUIG has c 18k students and the route directly affects both the sports playing population of the college and multiple other sports teams that use the facilities Perhaps NRA or TII can provide a very close proximity replacement eg 20 acre area within a mile radius ? That might resolve this aspect .
Both areas Dangan and Menlo are of huge recreational and amenity value, well used, and of historical value to the city and the value of this is not easily replaced

There will be a lot of objections to the scheme as with the previous one . That is the reality. This scheme is more central , affects more homes, more people, more facilities, both sporting and recreation , among others, than the previous one . The road may be built but there will be a campaign against the proposed route . A Similar campaign is ongoing in another area of the city on another high amenity area . Alternatives will need to be considered as the questions above are valid and will be raised at planning stage, ABP etc

serfboard

youngrun wrote: »

There will be a lot of objections to the scheme as with the previous one . That is the reality. This scheme is more central , affects more homes, more people, more facilities, both sporting and recreation , among others, than the previous one . The road may be built but there will be a campaign against the proposed route .

Agree 100%, which is why I'm not sure that the road as currently planned (or indeed any other possible design) will be built at all.

One thing is for sure - the members of Galway's legal profession must be salivating at the prospect of the lovely fees coming from all the judicial challenges that are sure to be launched.

youngrun

youngrun wrote: »

NUIG has c 18k students and the route directly affects both the sports playing population of the college and multiple other sports teams that use the facilities Perhaps NRA or TII can provide a very close proximity replacement eg 20 acre area within a mile radius ? That might resolve this aspect

3 things

First, it not their job

Second, NUIG have a butt load of land already along the river that can be used in place of this

Third, NUIG are not short of funds for their alumni to purchase additional lands if they need it. They have people dedicated to specifically expanding their property holdings

Both areas Dangan and Menlo are of huge recreational and amenity value, well used, and of historical value to the city and the value of this is not easily replaced

Who said they will not be available after this road is built?

There will be a lot of objections to the scheme as with the previous one . That is the reality. This scheme is more central , affects more homes, more people, more facilities, both sporting and recreation , among others, than the previous one . The road may be built but there will be a campaign against the proposed route . A Similar campaign is ongoing in another area of the city on another high amenity area . Alternatives will need to be considered as the questions above are valid and will be raised at planning stage, ABP etc

Alternatives were considered, 6 alternative routes, through an extensive public consultation.

Like I said, this IS the alternative

what_traffic

marno21 wrote: »

Your points about the roads are correct - but most of the traffic is single occupant cars coming from low density developments all around east Galway

Look at the Monivea Road our past Carnmore Cross. A long line of houses - very issue to solve traffic congestion when that's what you are dealing with

True.
Have the same ribbon development to the West of the City as well. The coast road as far as TG4 Studios in Tully is a good example on that side.
That is what is Sprawl in an Irish context.

what_traffic

marno21 wrote: »

First of all - a motorway order on the N6 part of this scheme.

All the approach roads are either national roads or already developed, which should mean that TII have the power to object to any developments which may reduce the level of service on the new road.

They don't have the best track record here in Galway City. How the Brierhill Shopping centre road entrance was allowed to be built on the current N6 is an example of that. Maybe lessons have been learned - but I am very doubtful.

marno21

what_traffic wrote: »

They don't have the best track record here in Galway City. How the Brierhill Shopping centre road entrance was allowed to be built on the current N6 is an example of that. Maybe lessons have been learned - but I am very doubtful.

When was this opened do you know?

what_traffic

marno21 wrote: »

When was this opened do you know?

The very tail end of the the last boom/bust. 2007
https://purcell.ie/projects/briarhill-shopping-centre/

marno21

what_traffic wrote: »

The very tail end of the the last boom/bust. 2007
https://purcell.ie/projects/briarhill-shopping-centre/

Can you point out the access on a map if you don't mind. The fact that Google's satellite imagery is about 10 years old isn't helping.

In recent years TII have become very strict on this even stopping accesses onto rural national secondaries and objecting to developments on roads that connect to national roads.

Zzippy

what_traffic wrote: »

They don't have the best track record here in Galway City. How the Brierhill Shopping centre road entrance was allowed to be built on the current N6 is an example of that. Maybe lessons have been learned - but I am very doubtful.

It's not on the N6 though, it's on the R339 approx 50 metres from the junction with the N6?

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2912411,-8.9871304,3a,75y,169.9h,63.2t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxRyjx2GWo0N8PwO-uf-oKg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DxRyjx2GWo0N8PwO-uf-oKg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D259.86652%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

marno21

Zzippy wrote: »

It's not on the N6 though, it's on the R339 approx 50 metres from the junction with the N6?

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2912411,-8.9871304,3a,75y,169.9h,63.2t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxRyjx2GWo0N8PwO-uf-oKg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DxRyjx2GWo0N8PwO-uf-oKg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D259.86652%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

That makes more sense, it would've been sanctioned by the Council.

If that were 2018 TII would object due to proximity of the N6, but they can't refuse it as Galway County Council own the road.

Hence the absolute requirement for restrictions on the new city bypass.

Zzippy

marno21 wrote: »

That makes more sense, it would've been sanctioned by the Council.

If that were 2018 TII would object due to proximity of the N6, but they can't refuse it as Galway County Council own the road.

Hence the absolute requirement for restrictions on the new city bypass.

I wish they had objected, it's my nearest supermarket and can be a nightmare to get out of at certain times...

J.pilkington

what_traffic wrote: »

They don't have the best track record here in Galway City. How the Brierhill Shopping centre road entrance was allowed to be built on the current N6 is an example of that. Maybe lessons have been learned - but I am very doubtful.

That’s a lie, the shopping centre entrance is not onto the n6.

As you are unfamiliar with the area(or choose to make something up to have a dig at the city council) see the google map posted above

AugustusMinimus

cgcsb wrote: »

:rolleyes:
Sprawl is THE problem in Galway.

It’s one of the problems.

I went through this pages back. Lack of road density is a huge issue. And this isn’t just a Galway problem. All new suburban planning has a lack of road density which is causing huge issues.

Another enourmous issue Galway has is its topology. Half of Galway faces the sea. So does Dublin. However with Dublin, traffic entering the city is nicely spread over a 180 degree radius.

In Galway, the vast majority of traffic is coming from the east and is funnelled down 2 roads. It’s disasterous.

I’m not sure if there’s any easy answer and I don’t think a bypass will do a huge amount to solve the issue. There’s scope for a new road from Oranmore into the city centre which doesn’t cease abruptly at the Old Dublin Road. This would run south of the train line.

More investment in public transport with a park and ride on the east of the city utilising the present train line.

what_traffic

Zzippy wrote: »

It's not on the N6 though, it's on the R339 approx 50 metres from the junction with the N6?

50 meters? Its about 20/25 meters now since the junction was signalized.

what_traffic

J.pilkington wrote: »

That’s a lie, the shopping centre entrance is not onto the n6.

As you are unfamiliar with the area(or choose to make something up to have a dig at the city council) see the google map posted above

Go by the junction every day, see the effects of having a shopping centre exit/entrance on the junction. It is about 20/25 meters from the Brierhill traffic lights junction.

what_traffic

marno21 wrote: »

If that were 2018 TII would object due to proximity of the N6, but they can't refuse it as Galway County Council own the road.

Hence the absolute requirement for restrictions on the new city bypass.

When are we going to see this legislation then? Any TII people drafting it I wonder?

D Trent

This will be some welcoming landmark into the city, albeit short lived when the Bypass comes after it

http://connachttribune.ie/plans-e130m-office-hotel-apartment-scheme/

Zzippy

what_traffic wrote: »

50 meters? Its about 20/25 meters now since the junction was signalized.

It's still not on the N6 though.

what_traffic wrote: »

Go by the junction every day, see the effects of having a shopping centre exit/entrance on the junction. It is about 20/25 meters from the Brierhill traffic lights junction.

The shopping centre doesn't greatly affect traffic on the junction, more like vice versa. Traffic can't get out of the shopping centre because cars are backed up from the junction. It is a ridiculous location for an entrance alright.

marno21

what_traffic wrote: »

When are we going to see this legislation then? Any TII people drafting it I wonder?

There isn't a need for any if the scheme is built using a motorway order and a protected road order.

Regarding approach roads and junctions, there won't be an issue as TII object to any issues on a case by case basis.

marno21

D Trent wrote: »

This will be some welcoming landmark into the city, albeit short lived when the Bypass comes after it

http://connachttribune.ie/plans-e130m-office-hotel-apartment-scheme/

Good idea that. More apartments quite some distance from the employment hubs with little public transport access.

Galway to a tee.

Chris_5339762

And crammed right up within inches of the roundabout making any works on it nigh on impossible.

marno21

marno21 wrote: »

Good idea that. More apartments quite some distance from the employment hubs with little public transport access.

Galway to a tee.

This location is within 1-2 kms of the largest employers in the city with over 10,000 workers, and is on the highest frequency bus route in the city, with cycle lanes (albeit crap ones) right outside the door

What exactly are you looking for? Asking this seriously as I initially thought this ticked a lot of boxes when I saw it first

ballinadog

what_traffic wrote: »

50 meters? Its about 20/25 meters now since the junction was signalized.

Its def more than 25 anyway...

Jesus wept, its too close, that's all. Nobody cares about the number of meters, now can we please move on

Benbecul97

marno21 wrote: »

Good idea that. More apartments quite some distance from the employment hubs with little public transport access.

Galway to a tee.

Couple of kms! Seems reasonable.

what_traffic

Zzippy wrote: »

It's still not on the N6 though.
The shopping centre doesn't greatly affect traffic on the junction, more like vice versa. Traffic can't get out of the shopping centre because cars are backed up from the junction. It is a ridiculous location for an entrance alright.

True not directly on it - but in does affect the junction, your observation above actually confirms this. Proximity to the Doughiska Road junction on the other side adds to the overall mess.