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M20 - Cork to Limerick [preferred route chosen; in design - phase 3]
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Its now seems that Gort to Tuam motorway is a priority over Cork to Limerick motorway.Just WTF??
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29099795.html
One word "West" need we say anymore.....0 -
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One word "West" need we say anymore.....
Ye elected Ned O Keefe and Batt O Keefe for all those years. The best pair of Taoiseachs we never had, what!??!
The only county outside of Dublin Louth Kildare Laois Offaly and Meath where the Primary road network is complete is Clare. Clare is in Munster not in the West, ta!0 -
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Interests in Cork and Limerick simply did not stand up to the plate in time. Why is the Primary road network in Kerry nearing completion ....bar a bit around and north of Killarney. ???
You get what you vote for, Taoiseach Ned and Tánaiste Batt would have sorted everything....but it is too late now. Please stop this undignified complaining about the west. 0 -
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I posted MOST OF this elsewhere earlier this week but it is particularly applicable to the Limerick Cork Road so I'll restate it a bit.
Were it not for the interminable legalistic nit picking that characterises the Irish planning process we might have been able to save a few quid on previous projects but the cost of revisiting any aspect of a PLANNED project is much too high and it must therefore proceed as designed.
Far too much weight is given to the rights of the few to obstruct the Irish process and at great cost to the ordinary taxpayer and similarly far too little weight is given to the rights of the majority to travel reliably and safely using a variety of modes.
We have a right of freedom of movement within the state, which when expressed collectively, should entitle us not to bounce around on a dangerous goat track because some drive by objector wants to bluster through planning enquiry after planning enquiry and yet these people are indulged to a huge extent by the system.
The remaining sections of the 'Atlantic Corridor' outside of Donegal and including the Limerick - Waterford goat track should proceed largely as continual 2+2 designs for the same reason, perhaps with a few HQDC sections near Sligo Limerick and Waterford and of course HQDC/Motorway from Limerick to Cork. The secondary network and roads like the N21 N22 and N5 are of insufficient overall import to count as Primary to my mind. Thats not to say that Macroom should not be bypassed but Cork - Tralee is of insufficient 'nationa;' importance to my mind whereas Cork and Derry are the third and fourth largest towns on the Island and the 5th and 6th are between them...just saying.
Safety and predictablily are the least we can ask for when designing PRIMARY roads for the future. We built extensive but sub optimal wide s2 for many years and had to bypass more or less all of it 30 years afterwards.
While much of this network could be expeditiously progressed by constructing 2+2 on a HQDC alignment and with future land take to HQDC widths protected on either side ( but not purchased or developed as such unless required) the fact remains that serial objectors will simply set out to derail every sensible proposal and we have no alternative for now but to proceed with the projects through planning as designed as well as overspec much of the balance. We do have a window with EG Cork - Limerick to perhaps build a 2+2 in the middle and bookend it with Motorway from Croom north and Twopothouse north of Mallow South.
Arguably Motorway near the main towns tapering to offline S1 on the midland sections is how we should have developed the network all along but that is done. At least a Type 1 S2 with a motorway alingment and grade separation can become a motorway rather easily in future with extra land take on one side and the construction of the second pair of lanes. The case is made that the price difference between doing an offline Type 1 Sc ( eg the Knock bypass) and a full dual of 2+2 or HQDC/Motorway does not add hugely to the cost...and of course the usual suspects would screech loudly anyway.
Same between Tipp Town west and Clonmel east where the second lane can come in rather easily.
We do not wish to revisit that situation with our quite recent but suboptimal s2 network again by building a third parallel national road network AND within 60 years, in effect.
It is incumbent upon us to do it properly this time. If proper means safely overspecced that is fine with me but can we save a few quid for now and get cracking on the still large deficit of decent primary roads in Ireland
The only scheme back at the starting gates and worth a 'look' is Limerick - Cork inc Adare and the Cork NRR.
Interestingly and in parallel a lot of commentary on governments hacking their capital budgets thereby CAUSING a recession is coming out of the UK...I strongly suggest that people read this article below. In Irelands case the overall budget may not change much but money can be clipped off farming and social welfare subventions and transferred across to more productive uses.
Furthermore the PPP logjam is starting to clear across Europe and some of these operations mentioned are in funds.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-05/britain-s-missing-infrastructure-billions-blamed-on-government.html0 -
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