Was 911 an INSIDE JOB?

Diogenes

foxhoundone wrote: »

well i jolly well hope not... cause being a CT, idd be getting me door kicked in an scooped an sent to a wee island of mexico somwhere, lmao {or maybe thats your plan ???}

So your assertion that there will be an attack on a luxury liner sometime around the presidential election in the US is nothing less than a wild guess unsupported by anything as credible as intelligence or facts.

Fine I predict Al Qaeda will start using cats as suicide bombers in the run up to christmas. Gee this is fun. :rolleyes:

foxhoundone

diogenes, im sure youve guessed already im ex military.. and youll never guess what my fortie was, yep anti terorism.. so not only am i well clued up on this sort of thing through practise/skills. an i keep up with me old mates and you know what,.. we talk shop.

Diogenes

concieted wrote:

The fact is osama is not wanted for 9/11.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

Oh For F***s sake, what is going on here, did I just skip into a Deloren and wander back into 1996

Bin Laden was on the FBIs most wanted list since 1999, for his role in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. His wanted poster also notes, "In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world", but does not specifically mention the 9/11 attacks, the U.S.S. Cole bombing, or anything else. Some conspiracy theorists insinuate that because the FBI hasn't specifically listed 9/11 on Bin Laden's wanted poster, that they don't have enough evidence to link him to 9/11, or don't think he's behind the attacks.In order to be listed on the FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitive list, the suspect must have been indicted for the crime. To indict Bin Laden formally for the 9/11 attacks would require presenting evidence in a court of law; such evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11 would include intelligence sources, and Al-Qaeda detainees. Making such sources (and methods) publicly known, perhaps isn't advised. In the Zacarias Moussaoui case, a big deal was made over access to detainee witnesses and about handling evidence from other intelligence sources.

http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Osama_bin_Laden

"There's no mystery here," said FBI spokesman Rex Tomb. "They could add 9/11 on there, but they have not because they don't need to at this point. . . . There is a logic to it."

David N. Kelley, the former U.S. attorney in New York who oversaw terrorism cases when bin Laden was indicted for the embassy bombings there in 1998, said he is not at all surprised by the lack of a reference to Sept. 11 on the official wanted poster. Kelley said the issue is a matter of legal restrictions and the need to be fair to any defendant.

"It might seem a little strange from the outside, but it makes sense from a legal point of view," said Kelley, now in private practice. "If I were in government, I'd be troubled if I were asked to put up a wanted picture where no formal charges had been filed, no matter who it was."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/27/AR2006082700687.html


The FBI hasn't charged Bin Laden for 911 because

A) They've got enough on him for previous crimes to put him on the most wanted list.

in order to charge him they'd have to expose their own intelligence on Al Qaeda in a court of law thereby compromising intelligence sources.

Really conceited, do you understand just how retarded your point is? It goes like this, you're saying the US government staged 911 planted evidence suggesting Al Qaeda did it, but the evidence is so shoddy not even their own investigative force believes it. Essentially, in the same breath, you're arguing that the Federal government is both omnipotent and incompetent.

foxhoundone

why did the things fall so fast, first there was at least 4 reinforced floors up to four foot thick to hold btys for emergency lighting, machinery to power the elevators, approx 99. some weight there.. an youve seen the collapse of the towers it was over in about 10 sec,s flat{pardon the pun}
their was approx 48 main support{can with in a can} beams you see the size of those things.. a plane could not have collapsed that amount of steel and concrete :cool:


if you nip up to IKEA in holywood, co down. youll see the buggers landing and taking of all day long{ill even buy you brekkie} it puts into perspecive the size of those things {planes}

Diogenes

foxhoundone wrote: »

diogenes, im sure youve guessed already im ex military..

No trust me I really had no idea you were "ex military". :rolleyes:

and youll never guess what my fortie was, yep anti terorism.. so not only am i well clued up on this sort of thing through practise/skills. an i keep up with me old mates and you know what,.. we talk shop.

Ah yes the no seriously "I iz an expert" routine. I don't suppose you'd like to share which army you were in? Unit? Battalion? And what you and your buddies think caused 911?

Oh and some simple questions, if you and your army friends think the US carried out 911 why aren't you outraged and publicly raising this.

Oh and would you have balked at order that would have meant you'd kill or cover up the killing of your own countries' population. I suspect the answer is yes, so the obvious follow up is if you couldn't be persuaded to kill your countrymen, who exactly did the USA use?. Because quite rightly their own soldiers would also not carry out such an order.

I await with interest your response as an anti terrorist soldier

foxhoundone

check my posts under, haunted army camp BAOR.. thnks:)

Diogenes

foxhoundone wrote: »

why did the things fall so fast, first there was at least 4 reinforced floors up to four foot thick to hold btys for emergency lighting, machinery to power the elevators, approx 99. some weight there.. an youve seen the collapse of the towers it was over in about 10 sec,s flat{pardon the pun}
their was approx 48 main support{can with in a can} beams you see the size of those things.. a plane could not have collapsed that amount of steel and concrete :cool:


if you nip up to IKEA in holywood, co down. youll see the buggers landing and taking of all day long{ill even buy you brekkie} it puts into perspecive the size of those things {planes}

And your point is? Look F&H if you'd bother your arse to search this forum you'd see all your misconceptions have been hashed, re hashed and re re hashed again and again. You're just plane wrong. I'm not going to bother my arse repeating whats been said dozens of time already on this forum.

foxhoundone

your not a m/utd fan bye any chance you seem to be in terible form this morning
unlike me i,m in great form yep im a LFC fan

Diogenes

foxhoundone wrote: »

check my posts under, haunted army camp BAOR.. thnks:)

Your own anecdotal evidence consists of a story in which you admit you are at the time a teenager, not a specialist anti terrorist soldier.

your not a m/utd fan bye any chance you seem to be in terible form this morning
unlike me i,m in great form yep im a LFC fan

Non sequitur and ad hominem, the soccer forum is that way mate if you want to talk about the footie, I'd prefer you'd go into much more detail into your fascinating career as a ghostbusting anti terrorist soldier.

foxhoundone

ahh, the start of my military career, all those years ago..
well started as a tank driver,
then command post asst{arty] grade B signals operater, then progressed from there.. as im still bound by the secrets act . i cant tell more than that.. but as a teaser it involved UAVs..
even got offerd a job by sandline security, that was 15yrs ago..
now i,m out to grass ,even to old to be called up as a reseve{well not stricly true i was nearly employed by the aux navy as a motorman grade 2}
ya see theres my quals to make an opion on 911.. whats yours diogenes lol..
now employed by BR as wheeltaper/shunter..

conceited

Really conceited, do you understand just how retarded your point is? It goes like this, you're saying the US government staged 911 planted evidence suggesting Al Qaeda did it, but the evidence is so shoddy not even their own investigative force believes it. Essentially, in the same breath, you're arguing that the Federal government is both omnipotent and incompetent.

There is no evidence linking osama bin laden to 9/11, get it? Thats not opinion either, it's fact!

Latchy

Yeah, but C'mon ...he did it.The whole world knows he was behind it

conceited

Do you know something the fbi don't?

Latchy

conceited wrote: »

Do you know something the fbi don't?

FBI ?? yeah they and the CIA between them may have prevented 9/11 if they had passed vital information on to each other ..assuming they wished to prevent it that is

conceited

Yeah, but C'mon ...he did it.The whole world knows he was behind it

That doesn't cut it i'm afriad.Evidence ?

FBI ?? yeah they and the CIA between them may have prevented 9/11 if they had passed vital information on to each other ..assuming they wished to prevent it that is

Thats not what i asked you. Keep dodging the question with more opinion.

Latchy

conceited wrote: »

Thats not what i asked you. Keep dodging the question with more opinion.

Well now if i knew more than the FBI i most likly wouldent be sitting here so i am guessing like about a billion other people that Osama was behind it .Millions also believe that Oswald didint act alone either and the FBI's credibility was called into question

conceited

Again more opinion.
Can you not even agree on that the fbi doesn't have any evidence?

foxhoundone

and what about the USS liberty bombed and strafed by the israel air force{in iranian markings} trying to provoke a responce to get america involved inth israel/iran conflight

conceited

foxhoundone Does the fbi have evidence linking osama bin laden to 9/11?

Latchy

conceited wrote: »

Again more opinion.
Can you not even agree on that the fbi doesn't have any evidence?

Yes i can agree and and the waters will always be murkey on something as big as this, like was it that easy to carry out such an operation without sombody known somthing was afoot ? .I mean the biggest inteligence agencys in the world CIA/FBI failed to copperate in possible preventing mass murder on an unimaginable scale . If true, that's equally as bad or worse than the horrific event itself

Diogenes

conceited wrote: »

There is no evidence linking osama bin laden to 9/11, get it? Thats not opinion either, it's fact!

No in the misrepresentation of the Rex Tomb quote is that there is "no hard evidence", Hard Evidence is things like DNA, fingerprints, eyewitnesses to the actual crime.

We know Bin Laden exists. We know he is the leader of a terrorist organisation called Al Qaeda. We know That Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the main organiser of the attacks, and has confessed to this. Bin Laden has been video'd with the conspirators, and has taken responsibility for this attack.

Now if you take what you say is true, the FBI the US federal bureau of investigation doesn't think Bin Laden carried out the attacks, don't you think they'd be announcing other suspects? carrying out new investigations?

Foxandhounde wrote:

ahh, the start of my military career, all those years ago..
well started as a tank driver,
then command post asst{arty] grade B signals operater, then progressed from there.. as im still bound by the secrets act . i cant tell more than that.. but as a teaser it involved UAVs..
even got offerd a job by sandline security, that was 15yrs ago..
now i,m out to grass ,even to old to be called up as a reseve{well not stricly true i was nearly employed by the aux navy as a motorman grade 2}
ya see theres my quals to make an opion on 911.. whats yours diogenes lol..
now employed by BR as wheeltaper/shunter..

Leaving aside the fact, that, I am rarely inclined to criticise spelling, your grammar and spelling are simply atrocious, and doesn't seem appropriate for a highly trained military specialist. I just find it simple incredulous that a British army anti terrorism specialist would settle down in Northern Ireland, and then post on an internet forum giving away personal information.

As to me, I've worked in video/film postproduction for a decade now. This has lead me to work in the news room of pretty much every US/UK international news station, it's why I find your "US military control the Media" comments, reeking of bull****.

Diogenes

foxhoundone wrote: »

and what about the USS liberty bombed and strafed by the israel air force{in iranian markings} trying to provoke a responce to get america involved inth israel/iran conflight

The Israeli Jets didn't have Iranian markings.

foxhoundone

well from what i can gather theres no point at the moment cause hes on the FBI most wanted list, they want him for somthing else abit like saddam when he was prosecuted, they charged him with genocide of his own peoaple.. not for war crimes against KUWAIT.

Latchy

Diogenes wrote: »

Leaving aside the fact, that, I am rarely inclined to criticise spelling, your grammar and spelling are simply atrocious, and doesn't seem appropriate for a highly trained military specialist. I just find it simple incredulous that a British army anti terrorism specialist would settle down in Northern Ireland, and then post on an internet forum giving away personal information.

As to me, I've worked in video/film postproduction for a decade now. This has lead me to work in the news room of pretty much every US/UK international news station, it's why I find your "US military control the Media" comments, reeking of bull****.

Andy McNab land indeed

foxhoundone

highly trained military specialist.
all military guys are trained to a very high stanard..regardless of grade .

British army anti terrorism specialist would settle down in Northern Ireland,
From the cold war era we snopped on the USSR, you know the iron curtain and all,.. that"US military control the Media" comments, reeking of bull****.
that was not my post me thinks your gettin confused

Nick_oliveri

Diogenes wrote: »

We know That Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the main organiser of the attacks, and has confessed to this.

KSM "confessed" under torture. Im sure if they apprehended you and waterboarded you for a while you would sing like a bird to whatever bull**** lyrics they wanted. (bull**** or not)

These treaties, adopted in 1949, bar cruel treatment, degradation, and torture. In late July, the White House issued an executive order promising that the C.I.A. would adjust its methods in order to meet the Geneva standards. At the same time, Bush’s order pointedly did not disavow the use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” that would likely be found illegal if used by officials inside the United States. The executive order means that the agency can once again hold foreign terror suspects indefinitely, and without charges, in black sites, without notifying their families or local authorities, or offering access to legal counsel.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/08/13/070813fa_fact_mayer

So please, try not to push a confession obtained under torture as gospel. And why wouldnt Bin Laden claim responsibility? Im not saying he wasn't responsible, but it was his chance to be the face of western hate and he was already being hunted at the time of the tape. Either way he is successful.

,8,1

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If it wasn't an Inside Job, how else would America have got the justification to launch a war on terror without an attack on it's own soil...
I really believe they would do it to themselves for the greater good....cough, oil.

Cough.. How about not oil but Israel. The Clean Break document funded by Benjamin Netanyahu was first presented to Bill Clinton (who rejected it) in 1996. It called for wars with Iraq, Iran, Lebannon and Syria.

Meanwhile the Zionist interventionist "neo-cons" took over the Republican Party and George W. Bush put the strategy into train. The CIA then carried out the 9/11 attacks as the catalyst to kickstart it all. That's my opinion anyway, and it seems alot more viable than the crap CNN and the White House dish out to us about Bin Laden and Al'CIA-da.

You'll see many familiar names behind Clean Break, which is also founding document of PNAC - Project for the New American Century - a warthirsty "neo-con" organisation. Characters instrumental in the Iraq war who authored the paper include Douglas Feith and Richard Perle. Both of whom are dual-citizens of the USA and the State of Israel, and held essential defence/foreign policy posts in GWB's Administration.

Oil is a motivation for 9/11 and subsequent Middle Eastern invasions, yes, but securing Israel is the true fundamental factor.

Nick_oliveri

Are you arguing euro oil as a catalyst or aquisition of the fields?

,8,1

Are you arguing euro oil as a catalyst or aquisition of the fields?

Me? I'm arguing that oil is not the fundamental motivation for the 9/11 attacks and subsequent ME invasions. Zionism - defending and expanding the State of Israel - is.

Nick_oliveri

Defending Israel from what exactly? It already has the political support from the West in most if not all cases. Expanding the state of Israel?

Do the elected leaders in Iraq reflect this at all politically/economically?