The M50 Barrier Free Tolling Thread

eFlow: Ciaran

Hi cmcqq,

If you would like to PM me (Una and John) I will look into it for you.

Regards,

Ciaran

mcwhirter

Best thing I ever did was move my m50 account from eflow to easytrip.
Have no problems now.

browner85

has anyone been convicted of not paying there tolls?

Limbo123

The tolls are daylight robbery. What the f@@k am I paying over 800€ ROADTAX for?????

Our man in Havana

browner85 wrote: »

has anyone been convicted of not paying there tolls?

Well no as it is not a criminal offence not to pay. They say it is a civil matter but then muddy the waters with what they call "fines" which are only part of the criminal law system. They basically want the best of both worlds.

Chiparus

I find the whole toll business a bit of a pain. I phoned once to pay and the call cost me €5 ( 1890 number :mad: from a mobile)

I dont live in Dublin so I only very infrequently need to use the toll. Now I avoid it at all costs.


Perhaps they should ask how many people avoid the toll bridge - because of the system used and if they want more people to use it perhaps they could make the system easier.

Like a freephone number to pay, or perhaps have a toll lane that people could pay in change ?


The money that the toll operators get from using solicitors is far outweighed by the numbers of people avoiding the toll because of the solicitors IMO.

Phill Ewinn

I think tolls should go. The government needs to get socialist about this like it did the banks.

People are getting squeezed, the celtic tiger days are over and no one should be asked to pay tolls in this recession.

BrianD

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

I think tolls should go. The government needs to get socialist about this like it did the banks.

People are getting squeezed, the celtic tiger days are over and no one should be asked to pay tolls in this recession.

Ironically, there is a form of socialisation for toll operators. Look at the M3. If traffic doesn't reach the levels agreed then the taxpayers forks out. That de-risks things nicely for the operator.

TralalaJr

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Well no as it is not a criminal offence not to pay. They say it is a civil matter but then muddy the waters with what they call "fines" which are only part of the criminal law system. They basically want the best of both worlds.

Well put it another way, have there been any challenges in court where a person was successful in challenging Eflow?

Our man in Havana

Nothing has been reported thus far, but due to the fact that eflow control any propaganda about them I doubt any successful challenge would get any news space.

Vanbis

I travel over the M50 toll to work 5 days a week and it's nothing short of a money racket and a disgrace. Everyone pay's motor tax in this country yet we get charged to cross this toll an others in our country. The amount of cars, etc that do cross everyday id say they make a nice lump each year. Motorbikes are still getting away with it free yet cameras have being installed. If everyone refused and stopped paying the toll it would be interesting to see what they would do.

markpb

Vanbis wrote: »

Everyone pay's motor tax in this country yet we get charged to cross this toll an others in our country.

Buying out the M50 from NTR will cost €1.15bn (link)

Upgrading the M50 cost €950m (link)

Maintaining the road surface and other infrastructure, proving the free towaway service and lighting the M50 is another contract whose price I don't know but considering lighting alone was just shy of €1m last year, it's not a cheap contract.

The state made €104m profit from the toll last year - that doesn't even come close to covering the costs of running the M50. If people had to pay the true costs of it, the toll would be eye watering.

And despite the high cost of the toll, the recession and the rising unemployment numbers

The numbers using the M50 are up despite the economic crisis.May was the busiest month for the eflow system to date, a spokesman for the NRA said last night, with tolls levied on 3.5 million vehicles in 30 days.

(link)

TralalaJr

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Nothing has been reported thus far, but due to the fact that eflow control any propaganda about them I doubt any successful challenge would get any news space.

You weren't joking...

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/drivers-run-up-50000-debt-by-refusing-to-pay-m50-toll-2959888.html

A total of 420 people had gone to court to defend being asked to pay extra penalties, and most cases had been settled, the NRA added.

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alidxx

Hi guys, I was away travelling for a month and came home to a solicitors letter for an unpaid toll. My father did not realise that the tag in my car was not connected to an account as it still beeps when going through the toll.. Is there a way to protest this as I have always paid all my tolls??

slimjimmc

alidxx wrote: »

Hi guys, I was away travelling for a month and came home to a solicitors letter for an unpaid toll. My father did not realise that the tag in my car was not connected to an account as it still beeps when going through the toll.. Is there a way to protest this as I have always paid all my tolls??

Protest if you wish, but I can't see it coming to fruition especially when your father had your consent to drive your car. The onus was on you to inform your father the tag was not active.

frankmulveen

Shield wrote: »

Wow thanks for that PM Bond. I can't believe that didn't cross their mind when they were implementing it in the first place. The system would fall to its knees if everyone was to do that. There's just no way they can rectify that now at this stage.

Can you please pm me too. They are looking for 456.00 euros from me for 3 journeys! frankmulveen@gmail.com

ardmacha

Hi guys, I was away travelling for a month and came home to a solicitors letter for an unpaid toll. My father did not realise that the tag in my car was not connected to an account as it still beeps when going through the toll.. Is there a way to protest this as I have always paid all my tolls??

Did you close the account? Get another tag? They will probably excuse the fines if you re-establish an account for the car your Dad is using with this tag and pay all of the tolls. I'd set up the account ASAP and then negotiate over the arrears.

GazzyWazzy

I just got a letter from P&FG looking for 448 for 3 unpaid trips.I had tried and failed before to come to an arrangement with eflow..Said I could square up with the them next week ,but they said they could'nt wait..had to be that day.I was unemployed..and still am.I'm in penury so I can't pay what I don't have.

Is my best bet just not worrying about it y'think?

I mean..a trip to the slammer would'nt be the end of the world.Might make a nice change.

mickdw

I found them very easy to deal with re a fine for a single journey recently.
Got a fine for 47 euros or so. Rang them and explained that I got no reminder letter and without agreement the guy put the words in my mouth that I was not used to using the road and wasnt aware of how it worked. He said if I paid 3.10 or so that he would cancel the fine.

GazzyWazzy

Thanks for replying.

Its very reassuring to hear that I might have the chance of encountering a being capable of compassion when I phone them tomorrow.

whomitconcerns

But why didn't you pay when they were due? €9 better than jail...

pa990

GazzyWazzy wrote: »

I just got a letter from P&FG looking for 448 for 3 unpaid trips.I had tried and failed before to come to an arrangement with eflow..Said I could square up with the them next week ,but they said they could'nt wait..had to be that day.I was unemployed..and still am.I'm in penury so I can't pay what I don't have.

Is my best bet just not worrying about it y'think?

I mean..a trip to the slammer would'nt be the end of the world.Might make a nice change.

go to the slammer, you'll be out the same day.
you wont be there long enough to get 3 meals, let alone a shower.

GazzyWazzy

whomitconcerns wrote: »

But why didn't you pay when they were due? €9 better than jail...

Its a bit of a long story..but bit was'nt intentional not to pay.I forgot and yadda yadda yadda things just got on top of me.

devil-80

Hi, is it worth it to take video account if you passing m50 about 12 times in year? Did I understand it well that i only pay 2,6€ and no other fees or set up account?

Professey Chin

devil-80 wrote: »

Hi, is it worth it to take video account if you passing m50 about 12 times in year? Did I understand it well that i only pay 2,6€ and no other fees or set up account?

Yep thats it. Worth it even if used very infrequently

devil-80

Thanks, is it better to take pre paid or post paid account?i think ill choose the post paid. Will the barrier open for me if i have this account or how it works?

unkel

Old thread

So it's 5.5 years that the barriers are gone - feels like longer!

Professey Chin

devil-80 wrote: »

Thanks, is it better to take pre paid or post paid account?i think ill choose the post paid. Will the barrier open for me if i have this account or how it works?

There is no barrier. I use post paid and my card gets charged at the end of the month.

devil-80

Ok so i use the same fast lane are the users of toll tag yes?

whomitconcerns

devil-80 wrote: »

Ok so i use the same fast lane are the users of toll tag yes?

there is no barrier on the m50 at all!