The M50 Barrier Free Tolling Thread

R.O.R · 08-09-2009 11:58am

rocky wrote: »

Went twice through the free flowing toll on Saturday, only paid this morning, I was in a rental car . How likely is it that the rental company will come after me for penalties? Practically I exceeded the 8pm next day rule, and they were supposed to send a "notification for payment" for 6 euro per pass, but since this will go to the rental company, I'm not likely to get it, am I? So could not pay the penalty price

The rental company will pay the toll and €3 penalty per journey, then charge it on to your credit card - more than likely along with a healthy "administration" charge.

Our man in Havana · 08-09-2009 11:58am

The rental company will charge your credit card.

simples · 08-09-2009 1:09pm

rocky wrote: »

Went twice through the free flowing toll on Saturday, only paid this morning, I was in a rental car . How likely is it that the rental company will come after me for penalties? Practically I exceeded the 8pm next day rule, and they were supposed to send a "notification for payment" for 6 euro per pass, but since this will go to the rental company, I'm not likely to get it, am I? So could not pay the penalty price

It depends on the rental company. Some of them have accounts with eFlow so journeys are registered and therefore do not accrue fines. However, not all rental companies are with eFlow.

I would personally say that if the company is with eFlow it is unlikely you will be charged a fine, but who knows?

browner85 · 08-09-2009 11:10pm

tiff09 wrote: »

Please excuse my ignorance but how can you call it a scam when you are not paying

surely that is your own doing!

If Barriers were there you would still have to pay just because they are gone does not mean you cannot pay and get away with it

eh its very easy to forget to pay!! there system is a sham !!!!!!!!!!

kezilini · 09-09-2009 10:24pm

Sizzler wrote: »

Tried getting onto the head of the NRA or the department of transport? Nobody in their right mind would think court action would be fair in your case. I'd rope in as many people as you can.

Citizens Advice Bureau as a starter for ten. Also if you dont have the cash see if you can get state legal aid in advance.(Not sure if possible but worth a look?)

Yep sent an email to like 2 different head dudes in nra and the solicitor company!! Of course heard nothing!!!
All I can do now is show up to this stupid thing and hopefully not get some mental fine!!

Sizzler · 10-09-2009 9:41am

kezilini wrote: »

Yep sent an email to like 2 different head dudes in nra and the solicitor company!! Of course heard nothing!!!
All I can do now is show up to this stupid thing and hopefully not get some mental fine!!

PM me with who you contacted in the NRA? I had success with a nice chap there recently

You're wasting your time with the solicitors.

DubOnHoliday · 11-09-2009 1:12pm

got a letter from eflow yesterday saying my wife ( a learner ) was on the m50 southbound in the middle of the night 2 weeks ago and we owed 6 euro.
I had to call up to learn they mistook the digits. Does that phonecall cost me? If so I'll be sending them the bill even if its 1 cent.

Our man in Havana · 11-09-2009 1:54pm

1890 number so it would be costing around 5 cent a minute.

Sizzler · 11-09-2009 1:55pm

DubOnHoliday wrote: »

got a letter from eflow yesterday saying my wife ( a learner ) was on the m50 southbound in the middle of the night 2 weeks ago and we owed 6 euro.
I had to call up to learn they mistook the digits. Does that phonecall cost me? If so I'll be sending them the bill even if its 1 cent.

Yes it does. Should have let them waste a few more letters and rack up some more imaginary charges before setting them straight. Inefficiency at its best!

Having heard Shane Ross on Today FM last evening it reminded me of the campaign he pushed to get the toll removed, did he really enviage such a farce at the end of it? Wonder if he would be interested now in picking up the baton and challenging how the system "works" and the ethics of trying to charge someone up to €146 per journey.

Seth Brundle · 13-09-2009 12:49pm

Slightly off topic:

The Government’s spending watchdog has revealed further examples of lax controls on Government spending in the deal for the M50 Toll Bridge, civilian policing and benefit fraud..

:: M50 West Link Toll Bridge

On the buy-out of the West Link Toll Bridge the C&AG said the Government could not pull out of its contract with National Toll Roads without having to pay compensation.

Under the final deal the state has to pay €50m a year, indexed to inflation, between August 2008 and March 2020 – around €3m more than the compensation payments if tolls were abolished.

John Buckley said the State was hampered in its negotiations with NTR because there was no termination clause in the original agreement it made with the company when the bridge was built.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/govt-blundered-in-m50-toll-bridge-deal-426006.html

squod · 13-09-2009 3:06pm

DubOnHoliday wrote: »

got a letter from eflow yesterday saying my wife ( a learner ) was on the m50 southbound in the middle of the night 2 weeks ago and we owed 6 euro.
I had to call up to learn they mistook the digits. Does that phonecall cost me? If so I'll be sending them the bill even if its 1 cent.

Never ring the b'stards, there's an email address on the website.

Sizzler · 16-09-2009 9:17am

I got a penalty notice yesterday in the post for a car I sold months ago. Rang them up (after waiting 10 mins to get through) the guy told me he couldnt do anything, I told him I'm just letting eflow know it aint my car and you are wasting your time sending me letters. He told me to chase up who owns it now, I said it wasnt my problem.

On checking online it appears whoever owns it now is having a great time using the M50, fair play to them, the letters are going in the bin!

A disgrace that eflow didnt even want to try and help, he didnt even put the tolls into query. He wanted me to sort it out. Good luck with that.

An absolute sham of an organisation.

R.O.R · 16-09-2009 9:26am

Sizzler wrote: »

I got a penalty notice yesterday in the post for a car I sold months ago. Rang them up (after waiting 10 mins to get through) the guy told me he couldnt do anything, I told him I'm just letting eflow know it aint my car and you are wasting your time sending me letters. He told me to chase up who owns it now, I said it wasnt my problem.

On checking online it appears whoever owns it now is having a great time using the M50, fair play to them, the letters are going in the bin!

A disgrace that eflow didnt even want to try and help, he didnt even put the tolls into query. He wanted me to sort it out. Good luck with that.

An absolute sham of an organisation.

Did you complete the change of registration when you sold the car, and post it off to Shannon?

Looks like the car is still registered in your name - check that with Shannon. If it is, you may be liable for the tolls as the registered owner.

Sizzler · 16-09-2009 9:53am

R.O.R wrote: »

Did you complete the change of registration when you sold the car, and post it off to Shannon?

Looks like the car is still registered in your name - check that with Shannon. If it is, you may be liable for the tolls as the registered owner.

I traded it in to a garage so god knows who's driving it now. Could be one of their mechanics.

As far as I am concerned I can demonstrate the car isnt mine.

R.O.R · 16-09-2009 10:06am

Sizzler wrote: »

I traded it in to a garage so god knows who's driving it now. Could be one of their mechanics.

As far as I am concerned I can demonstrate the car isnt mine.

So the garage filled out the temp change of ownership. You need to get on to the garage and play hell with them as it appears the car still has you as the registered owner.

I'd also study the relevant bylaws to check whether they can enforce a penalty on the registered owner of the vehicle (still technically you) or whether it falls to the driver.

Our man in Havana · 16-09-2009 12:32pm

Garages are notorious for not sending off change of ownerships.

simples · 18-09-2009 1:22pm

Sizzler wrote: »

I traded it in to a garage so god knows who's driving it now. Could be one of their mechanics.

As far as I am concerned I can demonstrate the car isnt mine.

when i worked there we were told to advise that it is the old owner's responsibility to get their name removed from the vehicle, as it is in their best interests. so i would advise you to contact Shannon and get your name taken off, if nothing else it means you won't be harrassed by post.

pa990 · 18-09-2009 4:02pm

it's the legal responsibility of the seller to put the new owners details on the log book and send it to shannon

Our man in Havana · 18-09-2009 5:13pm

pa990 wrote: »

it's the legal responsibility of the seller to put the new owners details on the log book and send it to shannon

The only exception is where a garage is involved.

mcwhirter · 22-09-2009 5:47pm

I'm still waiting. My last direct debit payment to eflow was back in March and the amount is adding up now.

wayne2107 · 26-09-2009 11:11am

I got a summons last week by regestered post in a red envelope. I was due in court last week. Wait for it... i owe them 965 yes nine hundred and sixty five euros for 8 trips lol. The letter was five pages long. Rang them and they gave e an extra week to pay. Cheque sent down to kerry yesterday. Can scan the letter up later if anyones intrested. Expensive mistake by me

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Our man in Havana · 26-09-2009 12:44pm

You should have stood your ground a fought.

mcwhirter · 28-09-2009 3:12pm

Cancelled my eflow account, switched to easytrip.

Eflow are a bunch of *****

Rozbeef · 28-09-2009 3:13pm

Hi guys, I am due to attend court on 19th Oct due to unpaid tolls. Entirely my fault but more through negligence and forgetfulness than anything else. I tried to see if they would accept me paying just the standard tolls that I failed to pay at the time but without luck. Does anyone know what is likely to happen in court? First time anything like this has happened to me, so have no clue of what to expect..

mcwhirter · 29-09-2009 9:30pm

When returning unwanted tags back to eflow, is the postage freepost or do the scoundrels expect us to pay?

thecommander · 29-09-2009 9:38pm

mcwhirter wrote: »

When returning unwanted tags back to eflow, is the postage freepost or do the scoundrels expect us to pay?

Id say if you've decided to return the tag then you pick up the cost. Why would they pay?

nava · 29-09-2009 9:48pm

mcwhirter wrote: »

When returning unwanted tags back to eflow, is the postage freepost or do the scoundrels expect us to pay?

Even they probably want you to send it by register post, if it gets lost by normal post you will probably still have to pay the admin fee or pay for the lost tag.

simples · 30-09-2009 1:03am

mcwhirter wrote: »

When returning unwanted tags back to eflow, is the postage freepost or do the scoundrels expect us to pay?

We were told to advise customers that when returning tags, mark the package "POA" (Payment On Arrival) and eFlow pick up the cost. Not sure if this is still the case..

lolli · 30-09-2009 1:00pm

I got a letter from eflow today looking for 47 euro even though i've paid everytime. They really need to run it better.

Sizzler · 30-09-2009 3:04pm

Rozbeef wrote: »

Hi guys, I am due to attend court on 19th Oct due to unpaid tolls. Entirely my fault but more through negligence and forgetfulness than anything else. I tried to see if they would accept me paying just the standard tolls that I failed to pay at the time but without luck. Does anyone know what is likely to happen in court? First time anything like this has happened to me, so have no clue of what to expect..

Have you got a solicitor?

Dont be admitting your guilt online before the case is even heard mate :eek:

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