Scotland's Shame

Sizzler

I have to say I was fully expecting this to happen (regardless of the result!)

How the f**k can they keep saying this is only a 'minority'? Their reputation preceeds them and all of the videos are showing hundreds of fans going at it, just general mayhem, one clown even blamed Manchester as being the host city, WTF?

Also varying reports of the amount of arrests, between 17-25! Joke.

Bans anybody? Surely the club should be held accountable for this carry on?

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/mhgbcwauojkf/

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1166626.ece

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/videos-pics/videos/sport-videos/2008/05/15/uefa-cup-mayhem-86908-20418310/

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1316088,00.html?&lid=NEWS_TAB_FAN_STABBED_AFTER_UEFA_CUP_FINAL&lpos=TABCONTENT

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/7401814.stm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih8Zr8f5McA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzztFxoYbcs&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76VoYyR_XVU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uladFPIY2aU

Mitch Connor

will be locked in under 2 minutes, my guess.

Xavi6

Bit of a misleading/unfair thread title. Not Scotland's shame really. Barely even Glasgow's. I doubt Falkirk, Gretna and Ross County fans want to be categorised the way you have it.

Eirebear

**** sake here we go again.

There is no excuse for what a section of our "fans" got up to last night.
Ibrox was a disgrace also as every ned and scumbag in the city got tanked up and headed there.

Get all the mileage you can out of it....i dont give a toss anymore.

I got attacked last night for being an "Orange bastard". My wife got spat on from a window above the pub for trying to console me after the game and called a "fat proddy cow". My mate is sitting in A&E right now.

Glasgow has a LOT of problems, dont kid yourself that its just Rangers fans though please.

IrishMike

Eirebear wrote: »

**** sake here we go again.

There is no excuse for what a section of our "fans" got up to last night.
Ibrox was a disgrace also as every ned and scumbag in the city got tanked up and headed there.

Get all the mileage you can out of it....i dont give a toss anymore.

I got attacked last night for being an "Orange bastard". My wife got spat on from a window above the pub for trying to console me after the game and called a "fat proddy cow". My mate is sitting in A&E right now.

Glasgow has a LOT of problems, dont kid yourself that its just Rangers fans though please.

Very true it has a lot of deep seated problems which may never be solved.
Thing is to say its a minority is not really true though.
Its far more than 10% or 20% of the supporters and i include Celtic fans in this.
Horrific scenes last night and i can imagine there will be serious reprecussions
from UEFA and FIFA as fan violence is something that is being really
heavily cracked down on.
Disappointing to say the least

Sizzler

Xavi6 wrote: »

Bit of a misleading/unfair thread title. Not Scotland's shame really. Barely even Glasgow's. I doubt Falkirk, Gretna and Ross County fans want to be categorised the way you have it.

They were representing Scotland in Europe, thats the way it will be viewed. If you read any of the comments from other scottish fans on youtube they are saying the same, they have heaped shame on the country.

I'm not saying other teams dont have their problems, far from it, this just happens to be in the news today mate.

If a clubs fans carry on like this surely the club has to take some responsibility? Regardless of who the club is !

PauloMN

IrishMike wrote: »

and i include Celtic fans in this.

Here we go.... :rolleyes:

IrishMike

PauloMN wrote: »

Here we go.... :rolleyes:

Eirebear

PauloMN wrote: »

Here we go.... :rolleyes:

Paul stop being so frickin defensive mate. You travel to Glasgow on a fairly regular basis...if you cant see the problems it has all over then your more blinkered than i first though.

PauloMN

Eirebear wrote: »

Paul stop being so frickin defensive mate. You travel to Glasgow on a fairly regular basis...if you cant see the problems it has all over then your more blinkered than i first though.

Eirebear, as much as I have sympathy for you after what happened to you last night, I'm not going to sit back and not say anything when people CONSTANTLY lump Celtic in to the mix anytime Rangers fans cause trouble.

Of course I can see the problems, and of course I know there's idiots on both sides of the "fence". However, this thread was about Rangers fans and their behaviour last night, and immediately Celtic get dragged through the mud. Pisses me off no end.

gucci

IrishMike wrote: »

You keep that image on your desktop for these threads anymore do you How many times have you used it?

CHD

Rangers bring shame to football.theres trouble at alot of there games, theres no excuse.

5ForKeeps

Imagine what it will be like in Moscow next Wednesday. It will be the shame of English football as there will be guaranteed trouble me thinks...

justfortherecor

The Russian Police will leather the sh*t out of any troublemakers over there though.
Plus the prospect of spending a couple of months in some russian prison out in Siberia might put some people off.

Mitch Connor

5ForKeeps wrote: »

Imagine what it will be like in Moscow next Wednesday. It will be the shame of English football as there will be guaranteed trouble me thinks...

i don't think there will be, to be honest. There are a relitively small number of fans from boths sides going (neither has sold out allocation) due to the cost of the tickets, travel and accomodation. Also, fans will be getting herded from the airport to 'holding pens' for each set of fans, where there will be no alcohol available. From the holding pens they will be given a police escort straight to the stadium. So, there won't be the same level of drinking or fan interaction. I think the final in moscow could go off trouble free, while being one of the worst away trips (apart from actually being the CL final) for sight seeing and atmosphere ever.

Evil_Clown

Was anyone else as shocked as I was to hear a Zenit fan was stabbed in the back INSIDE the stadium, thats frightening
Zenit fans went into this game with the reputation, i'm afraid rangers fan come out with it, disgraceful

OhNoYouDidn't

IrishMike wrote: »

and i include Celtic fans in this.

Why? What has the behaviour of Rangers in Manchester and Ibrox got to do with them?

super_furry

The ammount of secterian songs being sung in the stadium came across loud and clear too. I'm no fan of Scottish football in any way, shape or form but the difference between the behaviour of Celtic fans in Seville and Rangers fans in Manchester is plain for all to see. I wouldn't be surprised to see a European ban for them and to be honest, it's warranted.

citytillidie

I have to laugh at one on the news last night saying they spent between £4000 and £5000 to go to Manchester from Glasgow with out tickets just to watch a game on a big screen.

I mean i was in Manchester for Paddy's weekend and went up to the Liverpool Reading game and did not spend more than say £300 on match tickets flights hotel room and lots of drink.

gucci

Tauren wrote: »

i don't think there will be, to be honest. There are a relitively small number of fans from boths sides going (neither has sold out allocation) due to the cost of the tickets, travel and accomodation. Also, fans will be getting herded from the airport to 'holding pens' for each set of fans, where there will be no alcohol available. From the holding pens they will be given a police escort straight to the stadium. So, there won't be the same level of drinking or fan interaction. I think the final in moscow could go off trouble free, while being one of the worst away trips (apart from actually being the CL final) for sight seeing and atmosphere ever.

Yeah the complete zero tolerance of the Moscow Police should keep even the bravest of thugs on a low profile, and as its UK clubs all the way over in Moscow, any violence as such wont be as well reported ala Istanbul,Athens,recent world cups.


Re:Last nights problems, I know its sad that people cant control themselves with beer etc, but you have to question the police letting people like Tesco sell beer from 7am in the morning? Note how World Cups etc serve mostly "festival beer" (less strength) to mass crowds pre-games.

PauloMN

citytillidie wrote: »

I have to laugh at one on the news last night saying they spent between £4000 and £5000 to go to Manchester from Glasgow with out tickets just to watch a game on a big screen.

I mean i was in Manchester for Paddy's weekend and went up to the Liverpool Reading game and did not spend more than say £300 on match tickets flights hotel room and lots of drink.

I saw that, I can't believe anyone would spend that much to watch the game on a screen. TBH, I wouldn't bother travelling unless I had a ticket to the game, unless it was somewhere like Spain and summer where you could make a bit of a break out of it. Travelling to watch a game in Manchester on a screen ain't my idea of fun, even if it was free.

OhNoYouDidn't

PauloMN wrote: »

I Travelling to watch a game in Manchester on a screen ain't my idea of fun, even if it was free.

Or not watch it as the case may be

grahamo

Surely the organisers must take some responsibility. They seem to have underestimated the number of fans that would travel. Packed them into an overcrowded fan park, fed them beer all day and 5 mins before kick off tell them there's technical problems with the big screen and the match won't be shown. :eek:
They should have told everyone earlier to give them time to disperse and find somewhere else to watch it. Only UEFA could organise a shambles like that.

lisbon_lions

In private, Manchester council wanted "anyone but rangers", publicly they welcomed both teams with open arms and said it was a carnival atmosphere yesterday afternoon. I just knew when I saw the red hand o ulster flags aboot the place there would be strife from the few. There are many many honest bluenoses that dont need this crap.

Then the tv played up.

Every team has some element of erse holes, but the rangers seem to have their fair share. perhaps the club should contribute to the clean up.

There will be no big screen in Manchester for the Champ league final due to what happened yesterday a source from the council said. Lets face it, that would probably have passed off without incident.
Time for action from Uefa me thinks.

Sizzler

One policeman got his earpiece implanted in his head, one had his teeth knocked out and a police dog even got it, ffs.

I still cant get over the fact that is being portrayed as a minority.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/08/05/15/SOCCER_Rangers_Trouble_Lead.html&TEAMHD=soccer

Boggles

grahamo wrote: »

Surely the organisers must take some responsibility. They seem to have underestimated the number of fans that would travel. Packed them into an overcrowded fan park, fed them beer all day and 5 mins before kick off tell them there's technical problems with the big screen and the match won't be shown. :eek:
They should have told everyone earlier to give them time to disperse and find somewhere else to watch it. Only UEFA could organise a shambles like that.

UEFA hardly had anything to do with the big screen, had they?

lisbon_lions

Sizzler wrote: »

I still cant get over the fact that is being portrayed as a minority.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/08/05/15/SOCCER_Rangers_Trouble_Lead.html&TEAMHD=soccer

This does not look minor to me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F965rbxetrw

grahamo

Boggles wrote: »

UEFA hardly had anything to do with the big screen, had they?

No. But I doubt very much that the big screen had 'Technical Problems'. The organisers obviously saw how full the fan park was and decided if Rangers/Zenit scored there would be bedlam. Without thinking of the consequences they pulled the plug resulting in even more trouble!

Eirebear

Sizzler wrote: »

I still cant get over the fact that is being portrayed as a minority.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/08/05/15/SOCCER_Rangers_Trouble_Lead.html&TEAMHD=soccer

Considering there was over 100,000 people there....yes it is a minority.

Boggles wrote: »

UEFA hardly had anything to do with the big screen, had they?

Nope, it was GMC who organised it.


I would like to personally apologise to the people of Manchester on behalf of the tens of thousands of Bears who went down there and behaved themselves.
The scum element in our support has been a bit of a topic for many of us during this campaign, as many people are fed up going to a home european game and being seated beside some sort of degenerate.
Rangers FC must do something about this.

therecklessone

Video here of mob attack on lone copper. Nasty...:mad:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1316114,00.html

Mitch Connor

maybe the fans without tickets should have stayed at hime like they were told to.

PauloMN

Eirebear wrote: »

Considering there was over 100,000 people there....yes it is a minority.




Nope, it was GMC who organised it.


I would like to personally apologise to the people of Manchester on behalf of the tens of thousands of Bears who went down there and behaved themselves.
The scum element in our support has been a bit of a topic for many of us during this campaign, as many people are fed up going to a home european game and being seated beside some sort of degenerate.
Rangers FC must do something about this.

Good post Eirebear. I can only imagine that watching the different footage this morning annoys genuine Rangers fans.

DSB

What a terribly sensationalist thread title. But yeah, shocking behaviour.

Mr Alan

Tauren wrote: »

maybe the fans without tickets should have stayed at hime like they were told to.

thats bull****, its part of the carnival atmosphere for a final to have large travelli ng support, its why Uefa and councils sets up fan zones etc.

Eirebear

PauloMN wrote: »

Good post Eirebear. I can only imagine that watching the different footage this morning annoys genuine Rangers fans.

Its horrible mate. And sad.

I was talking to a friend about an hour before the game and he was saying that he had just walked to the stadium in the company of a group of Zenit fans and that the atmosphere was extremely friendly wherever they had been that day.

But these stories will be forgotton about because of the scumbags who couldnt act like human beings.

5ForKeeps

5ForKeeps wrote: »

Imagine what it will be like in Moscow next Wednesday. It will be the shame of English football as there will be guaranteed trouble me thinks...

Ah Liverpool fan trying to drag this thread towards Man united bashing....imagine that.



Rangers should be banned for at least 1 season for this, theyre an absolute disgrace.

Eirebear

Eirebear wrote: »

Its horrible mate. And sad.

I was talking to a friend about an hour before the game and he was saying that he had just walked to the stadium in the company of a group of Zenit fans and that the atmosphere was extremely friendly wherever they had been that day.

But these stories will be forgotton about because of the scumbags who couldnt act like human beings.

Unfortunately it looks like the trouble kicked off after Rangers fans werent able to deal with defeat in a sporting manner and decided to just wreck the place instead. Yes its a minority when u consider the amount that travelled but by all accounts Manchester is absolutely wrecked this morning and there were a few thousand ans involved.....a minority in the overall picture but an awful lot nonetheless.

patmac

A bit of deja vu wasn't there a lot of trouble the last time Rangers played in a European final around 1973 and were they not banned for a few years afterwards? Feel sorry for Eirebear and genuine Rangers fans. Also a bit wrong to lump Celtic in amongst it all the same as their fans behaved impeccably in Seville.

Eirebear

Deleted User wrote: »

Unfortunately it looks like the trouble kicked off after Rangers fans werent able to deal with defeat in a sporting manner and decided to just wreck the place instead. Yes its a minority when u consider the amount that travelled but by all accounts Manchester is absolutely wrecked this morning and there were a few thousand ans involved.....a minority in the overall picture but an awful lot nonetheless.

No, it looks like trouble kicked off when the TV broke.

I wish people would get their facts right i really do, it had nothing to do with defeat.

Unearthly

5ForKeeps wrote: »

Imagine what it will be like in Moscow next Wednesday. It will be the shame of English football as there will be guaranteed trouble me thinks...

Perhaps if you put a bit more thought and research into this post you would of realised that :-

*Moscow is very expensive, there won't be that many fans going over, thus reducing the amount of idiots that could go there

*Security at the airports would again refuse a lot of thugs that try and go over

*match ticket fans being escorted by police

but yeah a big +1 to you for being ignorant

Killme00

This is very embarassing for everyone involved, GMC, UEFA and Glasgow Rangers especially.

The behaviour of Rangers fans is attrocious and has been for years. There has always been a thug element that travel with their support and it is more prevalent than any other UK based team IMO. Compare the behaviour of Rangers fans on their travels, to those of Celtic and you will see a huge difference.

While steps have been taken to stamp out sectarianism in Scottish football by the SFA, Rangers and Celtic, it obviously isnt enough.

Also, some fans will come on here and say that it is a minority, i dont believe that is an excuse.

Eirebear

Eirebear wrote: »

No, it looks like trouble kicked off when the TV broke.

I wish people would get their facts right i really do, it had nothing to do with defeat.

Said it in the other thread, Zenit fan stabbed outside the COMS directly after the game, rumours of a fan stabbed IN THE GROUND....cant blame it all on the big screen.

Killme00

Eirebear wrote: »

No, it looks like trouble kicked off when the TV broke.

I wish people would get their facts right i really do, it had nothing to do with defeat.

really, a zenith fan was stabbed inside the ground because the Tv broke. Thats bollox and you know it.

Boggles

Unearthly wrote: »

Perhaps if you put a bit more thought and research into this post you would of realised that :-

*Moscow is very expensive, there won't be that many fans going over, thus reducing the amount of idiots that could go there

*Security at the airports would again refuse a lot of thugs that try and go over

*match ticket fans being escorted by police

but yeah a big +1 to you for being ignorant

And last but not least guards with guns.

Call Me Jimmy

This sort of stuff just completly baffles me. I try to understand it but it's like thinking about infinity, my mind just blocks.

Sizzler

DSB wrote: »

What a terribly sensationalist thread title. But yeah, shocking behaviour.

What would you have called it?

At the time of writing I had just read the youtube comments and a few scots had used the phrase, some of them decent Rangers fans like Eirebear who have no interest in such behaviour or enjoy being portrayed in such a poor light. I dont think I have exlcusivity on the phrase :

http://www.scotlandsshame.com/

5ForKeeps

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah Liverpool fan trying to drag this thread towards Man united bashing....imagine that.

Man U bashing...the same would have happened if Liverpool had of got to Moscow as well. English rival supporters hate each other, the match isn't on til 10.45 local time, imagine the amount of drink will consumed and violence will occur just like last night. If i was bashing you Utd it would have been a lot worse.

5ForKeeps

Unearthly wrote: »

Perhaps if you put a bit more thought and research into this post you would of realised that :-

*Moscow is very expensive, there won't be that many fans going over, thus reducing the amount of idiots that could go there

*Security at the airports would again refuse a lot of thugs that try and go over

*match ticket fans being escorted by police

but yeah a big +1 to you for being ignorant

1st point, won't be many fans going over are you for real. It will be Chelsea's first Champions League final and its Utd in the final of course they will go even though it is expensive. If they don't there no Liverpool fans, Istanbul and Athens in the last 3 years. How much that cost and still fans went. The Utd and Chelsea fans don't even have to pay a visa either.

Security and Police escort, with UEFA's track record in evidence in recent years with planning these European finals and the venues they choose leave a lot to be desired.

I hope no violence does occur but the chances are more likely espeically considering the environment the fans are going too.

Mitch Connor

5ForKeeps wrote: »

Man U bashing...the same would have happened if Liverpool had of got to Moscow as well. English rival supporters hate each other, the match isn't on til 10.45 local time, imagine the amount of drink will consumed and volience will occur just like last night. If i was bashing you Utd it would have been a lot worse.

again.

Neither club have sold out their allocations - so there won't be a surplus of fans hanging around moscow.

You won't get to Russia without a Visa (time consuming) or a match ticket (reduced numbers)

Straight from the airport to segregated, police guarded 'fan zones' where no alcohol will be sold.

Escorted from 'fan zones' to the stadium by police.

Where do you see all this violent alcohol fueled fan interaction occurring?

5ForKeeps

5ForKeeps wrote: »

1st point, won't be many fans going over are you for real. It will be Chelsea's first Champions League final and its Utd in the final of course they will go even though it is expensive. If they don't there no Liverpool fans, Istanbul and Athens in the last 3 years. How much that cost and still fans went. The Utd and Chelsea fans don't even have to pay a visa either.

Security and Police escort, with UEFA's track record in evidence in recent years with planning these European finals and the venues they choose leave a lot to be desired.

I hope no violence does occur but the chances are more likely espeically considering the environment the fans are going too.

They're



Do u have an idea how difficult the Moscow trip is proving to be for fans?! For Istanbul the viisa was waived, for Moscow the visa has been waived for ticketholders only. In order to get a visa u need to have a minimum of 3 nights accomodation booked and the prices are horrendous. I also personally know Liverpool fans who were in both Istnabul and Athens who told me before the SF that they wouldnt be going to Moscow if Liverpool made it due to all the difficulties. They told me that Moscow was proving more hassle to organise than Istanbul and Athens combined. BIG differences and something u should really research before u start talking nonsense.

I agree about the UEFA thing but theyre not organising the police escorts, the Russians are (which may or may not be any better)


I admit there COULD be trouble, course there could, just like there was trouble in Athens, but the main point Im making is that we're here, talking about Rangers last nigth and you're jumping in with your misguided assumptions about something that may or may not happen thats nothing to do with Rangers.

There;s a CL Final thread, maybe u shoudl go over there and post this rubbish.

Mr Alan

Tauren wrote: »

Neither club have sold out their allocations - so there won't be a surplus of fans hanging around moscow.

You won't get to Russia without a Visa (time consuming) or a match ticket (reduced numbers)

Straight from the airport to segregated, police guarded 'fan zones' where no alcohol will be sold.

Escorted from 'fan zones' to the stadium by police.

Superb work from Uefa. Sounds like it'll all be a right great party!

Where next Uefa?

Baghdad? Tibet? Northern Thailand? Palestine?

****ing clowns