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Scotland's Shame

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    eoin2nc wrote: »
    Why is Celtic brought into this. Celtic fans won the UEFA Fair Play award in 2003, when they lost in a UEFA Cup fianl.Will all the Celtic haters here stop talking this nonsense. This thread is about the actions of a small group of Rnagers fans, but all of a sudden people start their usual Celtic bashing

    Would that be the same celtic fans that left me with a slight concussion, spat on my wife and my friend with a broken pelvis last night?

    There is no excusing the Rangers fans actions last night, i am embarrased by their actions today.

    All people have done in this thread is point out that this is a major issue in Glaswegian society, this term "celtic bashing" is far too easily thrown about at the moment on here.

    Come to think of it, even the paramedic that came to my house this morning for my mate started giving him hassle for being a Rangers fan, "your not gonna stand up and get violent on me being a rangers fan are you?!" is that acceptable from a Celtic fan towards someone who is in obvious pain?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭kerash


    The blame lies soley with the so called 'fans' but to say Scotland's Shame? Rangers shame maybe, but this happens in England and many other countries. Of course there are particular clubs that have reputations for violence among fans and this is unacceptable, but anyone who singles out particular clubs being worse is missing the point, violence on any scale cannot be tolerated. Clubs should be doing more imo to cut this out. Its awful went a game of soccer gets undermined by this sh*t time and time again...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,115 ✭✭✭Pal


    eoin2nc wrote: »
    This thread is about the actions of a small group of Rnagers fans

    The internet videos show vast numbers of Rangers 'fans' rioting and most clearly not a small group.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Teh News wrote:
    One senior officer was hit so hard that his electronic earpiece was left embedded in his head and had to be removed by doctors.

    The vast majority behaved well, he said, but added: "A small number of Rangers fans have let themselves down and they’ve let their city down.
    More News wrote:
    Violence flared before kick-off after a giant television screen broke down in the city centre, where thousands were partying.

    Fifteen police officers were injured and 42 arrests were made as hundreds of riot police and supporters fought running battles.

    Police said that those who were not charged were either bailed, cautioned or released without charge.

    A Russian fan was stabbed outside the stadium but his injuries were not life-threatening.


    Security camera footage showed officers coming under a hail of missiles including cans, bottles and rubbish, while one policeman was set upon by a 20-strong gang kicking and stamping.

    "I saw officers chased down a street by a baying mob of around 200 people. We had to do something."

    Council workers were busy Thursday cleaning up more than 100 tonnes of rubbish -- mainly empty alcohol containers -- left in the city centre.
    the lunatics have taken over the asylum? (well a minority of them). And by the sounds of the Russian fan it might have been quite close to the point of lethal violence breaking out.

    Rangers fans will be a while living this one down methinks.

    (it might be considered a small group vs. the hundred thousand other fans in the city at the time)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭eoin2nc


    Pal wrote: »
    The internet videos show vast numbers of Rangers 'fans' rioting and most clearly not a small group.

    I agree, I was just trying to seem balanced


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,254 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dub13


    On a side note,I was out at Dublin Airport this morrning about 10am and I seen a group of 10/20 rangers fans coming back from the game.I think its a good thing that they feel safe walking around in there colours as this would not have happened a few years ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    "Rangers believe the trouble in Manchester city centre which marred the UEFA Cup final involved many people with no known history of following the club."

    Rangers security chief Kenny Scott insisted the club would "take the appropriate action" against trouble-causers.

    "The club will take the appropriate action. The difficulty is of course that many of these people will have no association with Rangers Football Club and that exacerbates our difficulties in dealing appropriately with the situation which occurred in Manchester last night."

    http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/08/05/15/SOCCER_Rangers_Trouble_Nightl.html&TEAMHD=soccer


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Erin Go Brath


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Considering there was over 100,000 people there....yes it is a minority.




    Nope, it was GMC who organised it.


    I would like to personally apologise to the people of Manchester on behalf of the tens of thousands of Bears who went down there and behaved themselves.
    The scum element in our support has been a bit of a topic for many of us during this campaign, as many people are fed up going to a home european game and being seated beside some sort of degenerate.
    Rangers FC must do something about this.

    Fair play to you Eirebear, well said. You're one of the genuine fans who wouldn't have any truck with the degenerates that ran riot in Manchester, and good to see you condemn them. Its a sad day for football when off the field incidents are centre of discussion, instead of the game itself. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Fair play to you Eirebear, well said. You're one of the genuine fans who wouldn't have any truck with the degenerates that ran riot in Manchester, and good to see you condemn them. Its a sad day for football when off the field incidents are centre of discussion, instead of the game itself. :(

    Cheers EGB.
    The longer the day goes on the more sickened i am by these animals, there is no excuse for them.

    Every bear i have spoken today has felt the same way, there is a real sense of disbelief about it.

    I know people who watched the game in pubs, a couple of hundred yards away from the scene, in the other fanzone at Albert square and in the Velodrome where they moved fans after the TV broke down. They are all coming back with stories about what a great time they had.
    Many of them didnt actually realise what happened untill this morning when they seen news bulletins. bought papers etc.

    Yesterday will only be remembered for the trouble, and unfortunately for the bears who actually had a good time, it has been tainted and spoiled.

    I feel sick.:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭jimmyboy


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Would that be the same celtic fans that left me with a slight concussion, spat on my wife and my friend with a broken pelvis last night?

    Will you cop on now. There is a slight difference with 1 or 2 Celtic fans spitting on you wife and supposedly giving you a concussion(not calling u a liar) than thousands of Rangers fans kicking the bo*****s out of the Police and stabbing a Zenit supporter.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,952 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Here is the reason the TV failed

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    jimmyboy wrote: »
    Will you cop on now. There is a slight difference with 1 or 2 Celtic fans spitting on you wife and supposedly giving you a concussion(not calling u a liar) than thousands of Rangers fans kicking the bo*****s out of the Police and stabbing a Zenit supporter.

    Of course there is.

    But considering i wasnt on a street with 120,000 Celtic supporters it kind of evens up the odds doesnt it?

    I have said all through this thread that their is a MAJOR problem in Glasgow, and last nights events in Manchester were a symptom of that.

    Unfortunately certain sections of the celtic support are too blinkered to see this, instead blaming everything on the evil Rangers supporters.

    I have made my feelings clear on what happened down there, but im not going to sit idly by as people accuse every single bear that went down there as evil, while proclaiming that all celtic fans are angels.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,254 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dub13


    Here is an interesting read,found on a Liverpool forum today.

    The Rangers trouble-What really happened.

    Ive just got back from Manchester now. The firm i have just joined where doing event security for the game. Until we arrived this afternoon, we didnt realise that we where actually working on the fan parks in the city centre.

    We got given high vis jackets then I was posted with 6 others to one of the gates at Picadilly Square Fan Park at around half 5. The crowds where unbelieveable, reminicent of Tacksim and Syntagma square for us, except in a much smaller area. Our job was to stop people entering with glass bottles. Bearing in mind this was my first ever shift, it was quite daunting. Alot of the people who i had to challenge for bottles where sound, had no objections because we provided plastic cups for them to enter their bottles in to. But there was alot of scum aswell, ****ed out of their faces who had none of it. I asked one big feller to empty his bottle in to a cup, very politely, and i was told to **** off. I then went over to him again, and he twatted me in the chest, i asked him again with a plastic cup in my hand for him and he threw me in to a fence. **** this, i dont get paid enough for this ****e so i left him.

    It was clear by then the sqaure was becoming dangerously overcrowded. Our gate was getting crushed, and we where pulled away by police for our own safety. We where moved further up to the entrance of the square, where barriers where accross preventing people from entering because it was too full. A lot of lads tried to get through, and the vast majority where sound about it and good natured with me. I had many a conversation with jocks when they noticed my scouse accent and realised i wasnt a manc. My advice to them was to find a pub before the rush, which went against what we where told to tell them which was to head for the fan park at the ground. I knew theyd have **** there so i didnt tell them that. No problems whatsoever at this point.

    Then about 20mins before kick off, an older scots feller came over to me and said hoow dangerously crowded it was in the square, he said "someone was going to get killed", and thats why he left. He also said to me "mark my words, there will be a riot in there". I had those suspicions myself. From my experience of Istanbul and Athens, you can tell when something is not right, and i definately sensed that then.

    We then hit quarter to 8, and the square is rammed with Rangers fans, singing and watching the big screen for the adverts to end and the game to start. By 5 to 8, still no game. Then a supervisor gets it over his radio that they werent showing it. I couldnt believe it. My words to him where "there will be absolute ****in murder here, its ****in suicide". Jocks where coming over asking us what was going on, and we had to tell them. They where understandabely ****in fumin. I tried to tell them that i totally agreed with them, and that it was a ****in disgrace. Some where sound with me, recognising it wasnt our fault as event stewards. But then as people started to twig on what was going on, it started getting nasty.

    There was about 15 of us on this gate with a few police near by, and the scots where fuming with us. Coming over, pushing us, screaming in our faces. What could we do? I agreed with every word they said, id be ****in fuming aswell, but it had **** all to do with us. Then it got quite serious, bottles where being thrown, passing just past my face and lads where getting really aggresive with us. It was then when our head office told us to pull out, and the police moved us down a side street. We where getting dogs abuse, bottles thrown down at us, everything. Obviously the fact we where in uniform attracted it.

    Then our supervisor said they had to try and move us in to one of the portacabins back in the middle of the sqaure. We walked through as a group, through thousands of scots who where going crazy, throwing all kinds, screaming in our faces. We eventually had to take our jackets off and run. When we made it to this portacabin, all hell was going off around us. Riot police where coming from everywhere, and hundreds of rangers fans where charging them. Bus shelter where ripped down, and metal and wooden poles used as weapons to charge the police. The place was totally trashed. A bottle landed right next to me which had been thrown from someone. This went on for 3hours solid until 11 oclock. We had to take off all jackets and ties, and when it quietened down about half 11 we where able to make way to our coach at the GMex. Back at the coach we heard a Russian had been stabbed aswell.

    People have said that the big screen in our square had a technical fault and thats why the match wasnt shown. I know for a fact that is bollocks. It wasnt shown because of the shear numbers in the sqaure. The reasoning was that if Rangers scored, there would be bedlam. But whichever thick ***** makes these decisions obviously didnt realise the implications of not showing the game. If they wherent going to show it, they shouldve informed everyone at 6 o clock and give people time to fine somewhere else, not at ****in kick off. Its an absolute disgrace, and so typical of UEFA event. I couldve organised it better, it was a sham. They totally underestimated the amount of scots that would travel. Logical thing to do would be to put a big screen in old Trafford and let people watch it there, then there wouldve been no bother. 2 ****in ****ty fan parks was never going to be enough. I could see it, everyone else could, why cant the ****in organisers of these events? Useless *****, heads should ****in role after tonight.

    Ive spoke to my dad and others who've said that the news have reported it as small disturbances with a hand full of Rangers fans clashing with the police. Thats absolute bull****, total bollocks. There where ****in hundreds, if not more, and this went on for hours right in front of my eyes. To be fair, the amount of Scots lads who made the effort to come over and speak to us while this was going on, simply saying "sorry" was amazing. I spoke to a feller who made the effort to come over to us when he seen us having all kinds thrown in our direction, and he just apologised on behalf of Rangers fans, and said what a disgrace and embarrasment it was. I know from experience that its always a minority who are scum, and tar everyone with the same brush. But thats what happened, anything you hear otherwise is crap, i ****in seen it with my own eyes. Rangers fans had every right to be pissed with what happened in that square, but the actions of some afterwards, the rioting for 2 hours, was inexcusable. And it wasnt a "handfull" either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,454 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Interesting all right although there is no way of knowing it's accuracy until the results of some sort of inquiry. After all anybody can post stuff and claim to be in the know

    Did the authorities sacrifice the city centre to protect the fans?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Here is the reason the TV failed
    Out of order mate
    Interesting all right although there is no way of knowing it's accuracy until the results of some sort of inquiry. After all anybody can post stuff and claim to be in the know

    Did the authorities sacrifice the city centre to protect the fans?

    Still no excuse TBH.
    I can understand the bears frutrations, but its still not on


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭dc69


    that article probably could not be more annoying with the "where" instead of were.

    Eirebear wrote: »
    Out of order mate

    whats out of order?the picture lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭stooge


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Out of order mate
    Not out of order at all. lighten up ffs.
    Eirebear wrote: »
    Still no excuse TBH.
    I can understand the bears frutrations, but its still not on

    Cant verify that what the guy says is true so I'll take the article with a pinch of salt.


    Eirebear, we all know that there are problems in scotland and that celtic and rangers rivalry is a major factor. However, this thread is not about whats happening in scotland, it's about whats happening almost every time rangers play away in europe.

    From singing sick songs to clashing with rival fans, to rioting with police. Theyve been fined before and warned so now is the time to take action. I think you will agree that the behaviour of celtic fans on their travels has been impeccable (if not the behaviour of some people in glasgow itself).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    stooge wrote: »
    Not out of order at all. lighten up ffs.
    I dont particularly find it funny

    stooge wrote: »
    Cant verify that what the guy says is true so I'll take the article with a pinch of salt.
    As i said, true or not it is no excuse.
    stooge wrote: »
    Eirebear, we all know that there are problems in scotland and that celtic and rangers rivalry is a major factor. However, this thread is not about whats happening in scotland, it's about whats happening almost every time rangers play away in europe. From singing sick songs to clashing with rival fans, to rioting with police. Theyve been fined before and warned so now is the time to take action. I think you will agree that the behaviour of celtic fans on their travels has been impeccable (if not the behaviour of some people in glasgow itself).

    Every time eh?
    As i have stated before, there has been 0 arrests on Rangers away trips this season, untill last night.

    I am not trying to deflect from what happened last night, but lets have a look at the bigger picture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Herd Mentality, read a book on it a few years back, you'd be amazed how few people it takes to start what happened in Manchester last night.

    Fascinating (but scary) stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Boggles wrote: »
    Herd Mentality, read a book on it a few years back, you'd be amazed how few people it takes to start what happened in Manchester last night.

    Fascinating (but scary) stuff.

    Very true, especially when you add alcohol and frustration into the mix.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Best two related photos ever! LMFAO

    dignity.jpg

    Moments later.....

    r4te1.png


    All very dignifed, crying like a girl with his bags round his ankles! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Celtic went to Seville (lost) and received praise for the good behavior and nature of their fans.

    Rangers went to Manchester (lost) and their fans decided to **** the place up.

    Awesome.

    In my opinion, UEFA needs to make an example of this club. They should be banned from all European competition for a minimum of two years. Hit them where it hurts - the finances - and the club might do something about this minority (yet sizable) element of their support.

    Let me make it clear that I'm not a Celtic fan. I'm a football fan. And this stuff needs to stop. And it won't stop until stuff like this carries major, major punishment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Look at the sign right behind the guy on the phone box.... Magnificent irony

    laughinearlyshatoj9.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 575 ✭✭✭5ForKeeps


    Look at the sign right behind the guy on the phone box.... Magnificent irony

    laughinearlyshatoj9.jpg

    Can't see anything wrong about the fan walking there. The cop was very heavy handed unless something happened with the fan before these photo's were taken who knows.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 575 ✭✭✭5ForKeeps


    Best two related photos ever! LMFAO

    dignity.jpg

    Moments later.....

    r4te1.png


    All very dignifed, crying like a girl with his bags round his ankles! :D

    In the first picture is that a newcastle jersey in the background the black and white?

    As for the second picture, what a big p***y.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    Check out the series of pics half way down this page

    http://forum.football365.com/index.php?t=msg&th=63608&prevloaded=1&&start=600

    One minute the 'big man' is goading a copper, 30 seconds later he has an alsation clamped to his leg....cue wailing like a baby and getting his classy wife to carry him away, she must be very proud of him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,213 ✭✭✭✭therecklessone


    Sizzler wrote: »
    Check out the series of pics half way down this page

    http://forum.football365.com/index.php?t=msg&th=63608&prevloaded=1&&start=600

    One minute the 'big man' is goading a copper, 30 seconds later he has an alsation clamped to his leg....cue wailing like a baby and getting his classy wife to carry him away, she must be very proud of him.

    Fcuk me, some of you people really need to stop taking pleasure in the night's events.

    He's not "goading" the copper, he has his hands up as a defensive gesture.

    Take that from somebody who took an undeserved hiding in Spain last year, the bruises took six weeks to clear (from my arse to my knee)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭FRM


    Got back from Manchester last night and took my time to read through the posts this morning.....

    Firstly before I go on I would like to say the pictures I saw on SSN last night there is NO condoning these acts. There are no excuses that can be made at all for some of the fan's reaction to the screen failing.

    Some of the facts though that people are banding about are utter b*llocks.

    From one post you would think it was a war zone for hours in Manchester until well after 11pm. Funny how we walked back through Piccadilly gardens and the rest of the City centre after the match - 10:15 approx - and it was nearly deserted. One of my mates had texted me just as the match kicked off to say the TV had failed and the riot police weren't letting anyone out of the fanzone to go elsewhere. Later on that night when we met up with them they said that hadn't helped the situation either. I am not trying to say the police were to blame at all just trying to paint a fuller a picture so that the true picture is out there.

    As for the Zenit supporter being stabbed inside the stadium - have the police actually said who stabbed him? The initial story coming from Manchester yesterday was that it was his own supporters. Until this has been officially stated though we do NOT know for sure.

    The atmosphere all day until we left for the stadium at 5pm'ish was amazing - even the locals were joining in. I also doubt that I will witness an atmosphere like I did in the stadium ever again - it truely was once in a lifetime.

    The f*cking idiots though have taken the edge off a magnificent experience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,213 ✭✭✭✭therecklessone


    Look at the sign right behind the guy on the phone box.... Magnificent irony

    laughinearlyshatoj9.jpg

    Thuggish behaviour by the Old Bill there.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,213 ✭✭✭✭therecklessone


    FRM wrote: »
    Some of the facts though that people are banding about are utter b*llocks.

    From one post you would think it was a war zone for hours in Manchester until well after 11pm. Funny how we walked back through Piccadilly gardens and the rest of the City centre after the match - 10:15 approx - and it was nearly deserted. One of my mates had texted me just as the match kicked off to say the TV had failed and the riot police weren't letting anyone out of the fanzone to go elsewhere. Later on that night when we met up with them they said that hadn't helped the situation either. I am not trying to say the police were to blame at all just trying to paint a fuller a picture so that the true picture is out there.

    In contrast, posted on a Spurs board:
    I was there yesterday,i tell what when wrong at 10:15 they stopped selling drink al all over the city.My bus picked up at one,we had 2 hours to do nothing.They shut the train stations.

    Going back to the men arena was one of the scariest walks of my life.
    It was a war zone the police ,who were there got battered and run away.
    they were even fighting themselves,if you disagreed with them,you got it.


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