United Ireland Poll

AckwelFoley

If it were up to a vote, would you wish to see a 32 county, taking in to account the consequences of the result within the Unionist community if it were granted

Mine is a no vote. I think with the way things are going now in europe we all will be one european nation..

sdanseo

Not adding a poll?

javaboy

Cá bhfuil the poll? I vote for a 31 or 25 county country. Not bothered which. I just want to give the Corkonians what they want

EDIT: Poll was added after my smartarsery

AckwelFoley

sdonn_1 wrote: »

Not adding a poll?

Jeysus ted gimme a second

sdanseo

Rb

Nope. Would be happier to see the North cut off and dugged over to England than for Ireland to be "United".

Also don't want to be part of a United States of Europe and will be moving elsewhere should it happen.

AckwelFoley

rb_ie wrote: »

Nope. Would be happier to see the North cut off and dugged over to England than for Ireland to be "United".

Also don't want to be part of a United States of Europe and will be moving elsewhere should it happen.

The rb.ie haters are now campaigning for a YES to Europe.

I think you just swong the balance in favour of the YES brigade now!

javaboy

snyper wrote: »

The rb.ie haters are now campaigning for a YES to Europe.

I think you just swong the balance in favour of the YES brigade now!

It'll be practically unanimous so :pac:

Rb

snyper wrote: »

The rb.ie haters are now campaigning for a YES to Europe.

I think you just swong the balance in favour of the YES brigade now!

I didn't know people with severe mental disabilities were allowed vote?

javaboy

javaboy wrote: »

It'll be practically unanimous so :pac:

rb_ie wrote: »

I didn't know people with severe mental disabilities were allowed vote?

Correction: It will be unanimous then :D

AckwelFoley

rb_ie wrote: »

I didn't know people with severe mental disabilities were allowed vote?

lol... thats a good question actually, i can see it now.. all those wheelchairs been lined up at the polling booth.. :pac:

Rb

snyper wrote: »

lol... thats a good question actually, i can see it now.. all those wheelchairs been lined up at the polling booth.. :pac:

Wheelchairs are for the physically disabled

I can picture it now, those who "hate" me lining up (with their carers), getting the slip, going to the booth and getting distracted and end up drawing pictures of animals on it instead of actually voting.




Wilburt if you read this don't take offense

AckwelFoley

rb_ie wrote: »

Wheelchairs are for the physically disabled

Not if they are in a practical vegative state :pac:

Dudess

I'd vote yes.

Overheal

Damn Snyper you political activist you

I voted Undecided - not my place to be honest. Nor can I vote on National Issues here anyway.

gcgirl

snyper wrote: »

If it were up to a vote, would you wish to see a 32 county, taking in to account the consequences of the result within the Unionist community if it were granted

Mine is a no vote. I think with the way things are going now in europe we all will be one european nation..

I'd have to go with Snyper on this one!

stepbar

Yes vote. I thought as a nation we were above all the small mindedness and bigotry? Ireland has nothing to be afraid of.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i'd vote no, what would we have to complain about if that happened?

Overheal

stepbar wrote: »

Yes vote. I thought as a nation we were above all the small mindedness and bigotry? Ireland has nothing to be afraid of.

From what Ive read in the last month: No, you're not.
Theres still a lot of Loyalists and Unionists and Seperatists around the place.

dlofnep

Absolutely 100% yes.

Krieg

Voted no
Feels like we would be taking on someone elses problems

Susannahmia

Nope, don't want it. Sure doesn't Britain have to pump like £7 billion into it every year to support its economy? They are stuck with it now, muhaha!

My first priorty is to see the Roscommons contained together where they can harm no decent people.
I'm too focused on this goal to have time to think about the North.

dlofnep

Krieg wrote: »

Voted no
Feels like we would be taking on someone elses problems

Or, helping the entire Island to come together and solve them together?

There are alot of people up North identifying themselves as Irish who would probably shed a tear to remarks like this, or the cutting off the North remark. They are still us Irish and no different from us.

Davidius

Voted Yes.

For the craic.

wandatowell

javaboy wrote: »

I vote for a 31 or 25 county country. Not bothered which. I just want to give the Corkonians what they want

hahahaha good man, very funny like

Im very much undecided. I'll be happy either way just as long as there are no more killings TBH.

Phaetonman

Definitely no. Leave it as punishment for the UK. The amount of money they have wasted on NI over the years is crazy.

dlofnep

Off-topic - Does anybody have a ratio of input into the North's economy compared to the tax output?

Rb

dlofnep wrote: »

Or, helping the entire Island to come together and solve them together?

Why should we do that? They're part of the UK, like it or not and they are a burden to the UK. Let it remain that way and let the UK look after it. Why should we take on such a burden?

Dudess

Because it's the island of Ireland and the six counties were taken by force. I don't care how long ago it happened. It was still unjust.

dlofnep

rb_ie wrote: »

Why should we do that? They're part of the UK, like it or not and they are a burden to the UK. Let it remain that way and let the UK look after it. Why should we take on such a burden?

Because it's apart of Ireland. It's an integral part of our history and culture, only recently divided. It is a small land mass and makes no sense whatsoever being seperated. Unity on this Island, where everyone is accepted and treated equal makes sense. Under current British administration, the loyalist big wigs can flex their might and veto out areas of importance to Irish people like the Irish Language Act.. This would be respected in a United Ireland.

But if anything, we should do it because thousands of people on this Island have given up their life for it's Unity and Freedom. You're not being asked for your life, just for a nod of the head.

Rossibaby

rb_ie wrote: »

Why should we do that? They're part of the UK, like it or not and they are a burden to the UK. Let it remain that way and let the UK look after it. Why should we take on such a burden?

because not everyone values money above all else? im sure you're in total support of the way countries like the USA and ourselves rape third world countries and leaves them in poverty while selling their products at a highly increased price to overpay general labour forces and make sure more people can afford 40" lcd's. also disregard the 300,000 people who live as under class citizens in ireland,sure as long as your grand yourself who cares

kreuzberger

snyper wrote: »

If it were up to a vote, would you wish to see a 32 county, taking in to account the consequences of the result within the Unionist community if it were granted

Mine is a no vote. I think with the way things are going now in europe we all will be one european nation..

you raise some interesting issues , primarily the fact that Britian has done everything in its power to esnure it isnt put to a vote ,as well as ignoring and physically suppressing the election results the last time we voted as a single nation. You also seem to be hinting that unionism will declare war unilaterally on the rest of the island . a frequent bluster from a bully but not a real possibility at all . Certainly not one any democrat should ever give in to .
Secondly you focus upon what the effect of an end to this British denial of democracy on a national basis will be on the pro British community within the occupied territory , ignoring the fact there is a substantial pro nation community in the 6 counties and an even larger one in the 26 counties . No consideration of what their reaction will be to a continued denial of national democracy as it slowly dawns upon them theyve been had and no united Ireland is likely to emege from the current process . What if they demand the vote you ask us to imagine ? What will the repercussions of that be ? Because that is the future . What will the be the consequences of Britian countinuing to deny and suppress national democracy in Ireland ?
The effects of not being insulated from democracy any more on the unionist community may be hard to gauge , but I would expect them to behave like reasonable people and accept democracy . Or do they have some sort of immunity certificate that permits murder in the event of national democracy ? Regardless it will be the British intelligence services and military as always which dictates what the physical reaction of unionism will be to any given issue .

Krieg

Ok
I accept many points made by the "Yes" campaign

But the north is too far gone at this stage. Say the OP's vote went ahead and it came to a "Yes". The troubles would almost definitly errupt again, wasting all the peace talks and progression that has been achieved over the last- god knows how many years. I don't believe that loss of life can justify the idea of a united Ireland, I know many would disagree

dlofnep

Some interesting numbers for people.

26%-32% - The amount of Brits who supported the North remaining in the UK.
41%-45% - The amount of Brits who supported Irish Unity.
Sources: British Social Attitudes Survey (2004), ICM (2001).

77% - Those in the South of Ireland who supported Unity.
Source: Sunday Business Post (2006).

It's not a mystery that the general public in Britain do not want the North to be apart of the UK. It's not a mystery that the general public in the South want Irish Unity, and in general the majority of people in Ireland want Irish Unity.

Only 10% of the population in the North fully object to Irish Unity. (Independant Ark poll)

So the only real problem is the impact it may or may not have economically. Once again proving that some people revolve their life around one thing and one thing only, money. The same way the US revolves it's war on Iraq around money. And what did that acheive? 100,000's of needless deaths. Not to try and chain all these together, but I just wanted to outline that money is not the be all and end all of things and that other things are important in life.

MooseJam

I vote yes, Brits out

kreuzberger

rb_ie wrote: »

Why should we do that? They're part of the UK, like it or not and they are a burden to the UK. Let it remain that way and let the UK look after it. Why should we take on such a burden?

Beacuse its part of your national territory , all of which was once part of the uk and civilised dignified people generally seek to defend their national territory as opposed to pretending it isnt there or giving it away . Its taken as a measure of their persoanl and national dignity . Britian has had to pump so much money into it to prop up an artificial state wracked by internal insurgency and the continuin threat of which , that it divided from the rest of the island by force . That division made the place a basket case , not its existence on the first place . A logical person would not confuse cause with effect .

beautiation

I couldn't care less tbh. It's absolutely unbelievable how much some people care about this nonsense. Get a life.

kreuzberger

Krieg wrote: »

Ok
I accept many points made by the "Yes" campaign

But the north is too far gone at this stage. Say the OP's vote went ahead and it came to a "Yes". The troubles would almost definitly errupt again, wasting all the peace talks and progression that has been achieved over the last- god knows how many years. I don't believe that loss of life can justify the idea of a united Ireland, I know many would disagree

why would trouble erupt ? are you suggesting that yet again Britian would refuse to recognise the vote of the Irish people ?

All the peacetalks and progression you speak of have been acheived by convincing the nationalist population both sides of the border that a united Ireland can be achieved under the current structures. Surely when they realise that is nit the case we have a recipe for future conflict ? A certainty of it .
Isnt it much better to solve it then through democracy rather than continue with a denial of it ? Surely thats a recipe for trouble .

kreuzberger

beautiation wrote: »

I couldn't care less tbh. It's absolutely unbelievable how much some people care about this nonsense. Get a life.

yet you felt compelled to post

AckwelFoley

Im rather disappointed by the so far backward thinking of the "yes" side.

The majority of the citizens are Loyal to the crown. Its part of the United Kingdom, by voting Yes to a united Ireland you are simply looking for more problems for the noth.

I dont think we can look into the past to try and see a future

*sigh*

dlofnep

snyper wrote: »

Im rather disappointed by the so far backward thinking of the "yes" side.

The majority of the citizens are Loyal to the crown. Its part of the United Kingdom, by voting Yes to a united Ireland you are simply looking for more problems for the noth.

I dont think we can look into the past to try and see a future

*sigh*

Loyal to a crown that doesn't want them in the first place. The majority of British people do not WANT the North. The majority of people on the Island of Ireland want Irish Unity. Is it not backwards to think it's ok for a minority to dictate what happens to a majority?

You want shot of the north, I get it. But don't dare try tell people what is backwards and what isn't.

Sherifu

snyper wrote: »

Im rather disappointed by the so far backward thinking of the "yes" side.

The majority of the citizens are Loyal to the crown. Its part of the United Kingdom, by voting Yes to a united Ireland you are simply looking for more problems for the noth.

I dont think we can look into the past to try and see a future

*sigh*

The soul of a poet.


/no

chopperbyrne

Currently, no.

We can't look after the 26 counties we have now, it'd be much worse if we had to consider another six too.

When the economy is fine, the health service is fine, employment is fine and sectarianism has been eliminated, then yes, I'd be all for a united Ireland.

Until then, let's work towards those goals.

AckwelFoley

dlofnep wrote: »

Loyal to a crown that doesn't want them in the first place. The majority of British people do not WANT the North. The majority of people on the Island of Ireland want Irish Unity. Is it not backwards to think it's ok for a minority to dictate what happens to a majority?

You want shot of the north, I get it. But don't dare try tell people what is backwards and what isn't.

Its backward thinking imo.What do you want? to ethnic clense the protestant north?

Agent Smith

cant we just let it drift away?

Davidius

Ah sure they can just give the majority nationalist counties back.

Oh right, not economically sustainable.

OK, how about this. We nuke them all and when the radiation disappears who ever grabs it first gets it!

beautiation

Davidius wrote: »

Ah sure they can just give the majority nationalist counties back.

Oh right, not economically sustainable.

OK, how about this. We nuke them all and when the radiation disappears who ever grabs it first gets it!

Excellent thinking! And if we're lucky the fallout might mutate some of the bigots that are still around up there into useful life forms.

dlofnep

snyper wrote: »

Its backward thinking imo.What do you want? to ethnic clense the protestant north?

I expected such a response from you.

No. And religion is irrelevant, since you're throwing out clichés. Those who object it would be the "loyalists/unionists" (of which by the way, only 10% of the entire population of the North actually fully object to Irish Unity).

I would look for a plan of integration, into a multi-cultural Ireland. Perhaps even a compromise with Britain, for those who wish to declare themselves as British would still be entitled to a British passport. Loyalists could be integrated into a more rounded Irish Government, which would cater to the needs of the loyalist population.

I'm certainly not going to turn my back on the majority of people who want Irish Unity, in favour of those who do not.

Rossibaby

beautiation wrote: »

I couldn't care less tbh. It's absolutely unbelievable how much some people care about this nonsense. Get a life.

oo please tell us more,you seem quite the intellect:D

and what should people believe in?you are spitting on every irish person who gave their life for irish unity and a socialist republic. somehow i doubt you have the bravery and intelligence and ''ball's'' of many volunteers over the year.go ahead and live out your meaningless existence and let injustice spread across the world.sure why would iraqi's or palestinians care,they should all get a life...i salute you:cool:

he who would die for nothing is not fit to live - martin luther king jr

oo wait you'd probably die for a nice new '08 car,i forgot

sure we should all just go out an get drunk and work a job we hate for stuff we dont need,thats really living i tell ya

dlofnep

Rossi, don't worry about it. Some people are passive in life and often don't care for change, no matter what it is. I know it's upsetting to read comments like that, but don't leave them get the better of you. I applaud all the men and women who have died for a free Ireland, and I feel sad to see that someone people are not willing to even give moral support for it. But that is the way it is and we are in a free-thinking society. They will have their beliefs and we will have ours.