United Ireland Poll

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Border-Rat wrote: »

What is your opinion on Catholics/Nationalists/Republicans in the North being brutalised - then required to fend for themselves under such brutality, over the past few decades?

Same way I feel about oppressed people in Zimbabwe, Myanmar, East Tmor, Tibet, West Texas....

Border-Rat

Border-Rat wrote: »

Its still happening under the radar, Catholics are being forced out of their homes in 2008. Such is the problem even the BBC NI had to address in in April with a documentary.
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Looks like "ethenic cleansing" is still being practiced there...
with loylists mowing to county Antrim & Down and republicans moving west. As a minority shrinks is then becomes easy pickings, after ten years of "peace" they still show no sign of being a united people if anything there is greater seperation between the "two tribes" than ever before. if things carry on there will eventually be two northern Irelands ( one almost exclusively republican and one loylist) the republican will join the republic and the loylist one won't.

jill_valentine

Patriotic ideals or historic injustices are stupid reasons to make policies. The only question that matters is this: Would it make life better for the people living in either North or South?

No, I don't think it would. So no.

stakey

Voted no. It's never going to happen.

- Burden on the republics economy to integrate the north would be enormous.

- Logistically the north is a seperate nation. To integrate it with the south would involve pumping billions into the economy to consolidate police forces, local government, national government, education systems, health systems, power distribution, telecoms and more...

- It's not a process of rubbing out a line in a map!

- Speaking of health systems who would give up the NHS for our health system?

- Speaking of education systems, 50%+ of the population in the north might have an issue with the Catholic Church running all of the schools.

- LVF, UVF, UFF, Red Hand Commando's; do you honestly believe they have 'put all their weapons beyond use'?

Border-Rat

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Same way I feel about oppressed people in Zimbabwe, Myanmar, East Tmor, Tibet, West Texas....

Let me put it to you in a way you can't deliberately avoid - how would you feel if Donegal was invaded and its people brutalised, and your Government did absolutely nothing?

stovelid

No.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Border-Rat wrote: »

Let me put it to you in a way you can't deliberately avoid - how would you feel if Donegal was invaded and its people brutalised, and your Government did absolutely nothing?

I would fully expect my government to do nothing - it's all the ever do. And what would I do about it? The same thing I'm doing right now.

United Ireland, the biggest winners would be the British taxpayers.

O'Coonassa

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

A bit like "West Brit" (which, I notice, you STILL haven't defined)

"The people of Ireland are ready to become a portion of The Empire provided they be made so in reality and not in name alone; they are ready to become a kind of West Briton if made so in benefits and justice; but if not, we are Irishmen again." - Daniel O'Connell

Any clearer?

TerrorFirmer

Border-Rat wrote: »

Let me put it to you in a way you can't deliberately avoid - how would you feel if Donegal was invaded and its people brutalised, and your Government did absolutely nothing?

Donegal people have no souls.

Border-Rat

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I would fully expect my government to do nothing - it's all the ever do. And what would I do about it? The same thing I'm doing right now.

I didn't ask you what you'd expect, I asked you how you'd feel about it. Can you answer the question or not?

A majority of northern rish people have a chip on their shoulder.Nay!

Border-Rat

stakey wrote: »

Voted no. It's never going to happen.

- Burden on the republics economy to integrate the north would be enormous.

Nonsense. The North has industries which are a Natural compliment to free-state agriculture, for example.

GhettoSoldier

Yes.


Its not fair to say the majority in the north want to be British when the Irish people had no say in the matter as the unionists are the majority. A state made for protestant/unionist/British. If it wasn't for republicans the republic would still be part of Britain today, but some of you West Brits might enjoy that.

Border-Rat

Border-Rat wrote: »

Nonsense. The North has industries which are a Natural compliment to free-state agriculture, for example.

70% of jobs in the north are public service!Definitely a natural compliment to free state agriculture:pac:

kildare paddy

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Cut it off and let it float off to sea. Or drag it across to England and dock it on their west coast.

Or do to it what they did in Doomsday.

shows what you are anyway ! are you even from ireland ? people like you make me sick!

Border-Rat

Ikky Poo2, anytime you feel up to answering the question...

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

70% of jobs in the north are public service!Definitely a natural compliment to free state agriculture:pac:

I sometimes wonder if the "yes" camp here, really know what they're getting themselves into.

cournioni

Yes, because I think the island of Ireland should rightfully belong to the Irish people.

The baggage that would come with a United Ireland would be a real pain in the hole though...

kreuzberger

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Yes, because I think the island of Ireland should rightfully belong to the Irish people.

The baggage that would come with a United Ireland would be a real pain in the hole though...

really ? why has this baggage not manifested itself in the likes of Donegal , Cavan , Monaghan and even Dublin ( the former headquarters of the Orange order )? All areas with sizable protestant and formerly unionist populations which happily got along with their neighbours ? why is it the crap only starts accross the line where the British hold sway ?

Historical precedent has shown that disappearance of the British and their malign divide and conquer influence correlates to a disappearance in aforementioned baggage and pain in the collective hole .

These other pro British arguments are deeply conservative and remind me of the dire predicitons from conservative elemnts years ago about change - divorce , contracetion etc . Ohhh the country will fall to bits,,,dont change anything..dont give us a say like normal people . Its the same Irish mentality of low expectations and allowing oneself to be bullied by dire warnings and threats from those intent on keeping the country back and the people in their proper place . Just a different issue .

stakey

63% of the Northern Irish economy is public sector as oppossed to 36% in the republic. The British state pumps 7.5 billion euro into the region to sustain it's growth.

I think all will agree that this would be a very hefty bill for the republic to pick up! Unless of course we pull the 7.5 billion euro out of the Norths economy. I doubt you'd see any want for a United Ireland in NI then...

kreuzberger

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Cut it off and let it float off to sea. Or drag it across to England and dock it on their west coast.

Or do to it what they did in Doomsday.

yes but thats not really a sensible or mature suggestion or even realistic . It wouldnt float and would be impossible to cut off .

Dudess

I don't know. A load of dynamite sticks along the border might break it off. Then again, who's to say the 26 counties wouldn't float downwards and end up in Africa... :eek:

kreuzberger

kreuzberger wrote: »

really ? why has this baggage not manifested itself in the likes of Donegal , Cavan , Monaghan and even Dublin ( the former headquarters of the Orange order )? All areas with sizable protestant and formerly unionist populations .

I notice the word former appears twice, there's your answer, they left!
You need to unite the people before you unite the country.

Dudess

Dudess wrote: »

I don't know. A load of dynamite sticks along the border might break it off. Then again, who's to say the 26 counties wouldn't float downwards and end up in Africa... :eek:

or Australia!:D

kreuzberger

stakey wrote: »

63% of the Northern Irish economy is public sector as oppossed to 36% in the republic. The British state pumps 7.5 billion euro into the region to sustain it's growth.

I think all will agree that this would be a very hefty bill for the republic to pick up! Unless of course we pull the 7.5 billion euro out of the Norths economy. I doubt you'd see any want for a United Ireland in NI then...

the British state divided the region from its natural economic hinterland , therefore deliberately suppressed the regions growth . Not only that it had a disastrous effect on local economies in the 26 counties close to the border . A fully integrated economy on a national scale would obviously be a differnt kettle of fish from 2 seperate econmies with different rates of corporation tax and all the rest .

7.5 billion euro a year is also peanuts compared to what the southern state has handed the likes of Tony OReily and shell , tax and royalty free . Taking a dignified stance on our oil and gas resources , and heaven forbid demanding billionaires pay taxes and royalties for our resources would easily fund any re-unification project . Developing the resources ourselves would mean major employment . Especially with oil at $100 dollars a barrel and rising . an estimated 4 billion barrels of oil alone ( and 25 trillion cubic square feet of natural gas ) is to be harvested off Hook head and we wont see a penny . Nor from the oil discoveries off the Dunquin prospect in the porcupine basin . But of course a country that would give away its national territory is obviously incapable of asserting its dignity and sovereignty in any other matter of national importance . The political culture is much too sheepish and servile .

And believe it or not there are more things to life than an on paper economy , and taking a stand for your country on one issue can encourage you take the correct stand on another in the national interest .

Rb

Lol, I voice my opinion and I get pm's calling me a West Brit and telling me I'm not Irish and shouldn't classify myself as such.

These assclowns do a lot for the "yes" side, f*cking IRA loving scumbags stuck in the past.

Oh and huge lol at the people saying "Well the majority in NI who are protestant voted to keep it a part of Britain and that's unfair durrrrr". Idiots.

GhettoSoldier

How does passiveness on the northern Irish situation generalise to a passiveness for all moral causes exactly? There are plenty of things I fight for and would die for, real important issues like defeating world hunger and oppression that are rampant and which doubtless the likes of you happily ignore because you think you're a great crusader for getting all worked up over which identikit government the six counties are under.

What about your oppressed Irish brothers in the north, you don't seem to care about that do you? what oppression exactly are you fighting against?

kreuzberger

Deleted User wrote: »

I notice the word former appears twice, there's your answer, they left!
You need to unite the people before you unite the country.

rubbish . They were formerly unionists until Britain left , then with no more union werent unionists any more . There are plenty of protestants living in those areas and there is none of the baggage associated with British rule .

Uniting people when a major power which operates a divide and rule policy is actively involved in your affairs is a ridiculous notion . The country should not have been divided on the first place . The logical step to getting rid of division is to get rid of the foreign governemnt fomenting and propping up division in the fiorst place .

Dudess

rb_ie wrote: »

Lol, I voice my opinion and I get pm's calling me a West Brit and telling me I'm not Irish and shouldn't classify myself as such.

Any abusive PM's, please report them.

Oh and huge lol at the people saying "Well the majority in NI who are protestant voted to keep it a part of Britain and that's unfair durrrrr". Idiots.

Well it causes concern because some view it as an example of "tyranny of the majority": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority
Not without cause imo.