Garda Recruitment - Stage 3a - Medical Examination

Haz33

cathalfeely wrote: »

hi,
from reading this allabout weight etc i would like to know.... im 6 foot 6 and weigh 17 and a half stone... was just wondering is there anyway that i can find out my bmi for the medical standards or does anyone know if it fits the right criteria as them silly machines in chemists are stupid and dont go tall enough for my height!!!!!!!!

I'm glad you are going to be on our side!!!
Your BMI is coming up as 28.3. This is using any of the BMI calculators online. Just google " BMI Calculator " and put in your height and weight and it gives you the figure. These are a guideline only but are near as damn it!

cathalfeely

Haz33 wrote: »

I'm glad you are going to be on our side!!!
Your BMI is coming up as 28.3. This is using any of the BMI calculators online. Just google " BMI Calculator " and put in your height and weight and it gives you the figure. These are a guideline only but are near as damn it!

does this mean that i will fail the medical because of that bmi or what is the story?28.3 is nearly in the obese range......and there is hardly a pick on me...

Haz33

cathalfeely wrote: »

does this mean that i will fail the medical because of that bmi or what is the story?28.3 is nearly in the obese range......and there is hardly a pick on me...

20-25 is normal
25-30 is overweight
30+ is obese

You will be fine up to 30. BMI above 30 seems to be at the examiners discretion. But keep a check on it and dont put on any more weight and you will be grand.

srdb20

cathalfeely wrote: »

does this mean that i will fail the medical because of that bmi or what is the story?28.3 is nearly in the obese range......and there is hardly a pick on me...

Nah you will be fine man, my BMI was 27.? something i cant remember exactly now, i was told i would have to ":eek:watch my weight:eek:", now im not saying im buff or anything, but i couldn't lose any weight if i tried unless it was muscle but im not carrying any excess weight, im 5 10.5'' -5 11'' and around 14 stone

Im fairly stout and have a good build with a lot of muscle, and i passed when technically, well according to BMI im overweight.

BMI = Bo!!ox

The only caveat i have is that to be safe you would want to be coming in under 30....;)

jimmyjoejoseph

Haz33 wrote: »

Firstly you need to know did you get a refferal for 6 months to recheck BMI or did she fail you.

If you got a refferal you need to write to the Chief medical officer (or even better get your GP to write to him) looking for direction as to the standards in this regard. He will have to come back issuing an exact BMI figure for a 6'1" male age whatever. Then you have 6 months to meet this. Whatever they say goes unfortunately, you have to meet the same standards as everyone else and there is no grey area.

If you failed medical outright then of course you can appeal the decision and should do so straight away as you should have been given the chance to meet the standard. In your appeal, again request the information on standards for BMI and your interest in being retested without having to sit apptitude tests and interview again.
There is a lot of information on the appeal procedure with the public appointments office at publicjobs.ie and you didn't say when you had your medical, but there are deadlines for appealing.
I cannot see an appeal reversing the decision of the doctor but it will give you a chance to clarify and retry.
Hope this is useful and good luck with it.

hey thamks for that..ah no she said id failed and i wouldnt get another medical for 12-18 months, is it a rule i should have been gven a chance or just kind of a fairness thing?? im thinkin at this stage they probably have a quota for the amount of over bmi they can let in, had medical at 830 wednesday just gone..i wouldnt have a problem to meet realistic standards..cant find that info on public jobs at the mo' but il have a look when i get in from work..thanks!

Haz33

jimmyjoejoseph wrote: »

hey thamks for that..ah no she said id failed and i wouldnt get another medical for 12-18 months, is it a rule i should have been gven a chance or just kind of a fairness thing?? im thinkin at this stage they probably have a quota for the amount of over bmi they can let in, had medical at 830 wednesday just gone..i wouldnt have a problem to meet realistic standards..cant find that info on public jobs at the mo' but il have a look when i get in from work..thanks!

She should not have told you that you wouldn't get another medical for 12 - 18 months. If you were to reapply (allowing the 6 month rule) it is possible that you would be back up for medical again within 12 months so what she said is bull****. The Garda medical in is carried out by GPs who are not necessarily specialists in any field of medicine so the norm is if they feel they have a query about anything that could be sorted they should refer. i.e. eyesight. If lazer surgery can fix it get it done and they will take the experts word you now meet the standard. i.e. if you have dental carries, get the extraction or filling and we will take the experts opinionyou now meet the standard. i.e. if you are overweight ( we all understand that you are not, but thats the S**t BMI system) lose some and come back with BMI within standard.
We would all accept that anything irreversible like, loss of hearing, severe diabetes, chronic asthma or bronchitis, etc. etc. , would be grounds for failing as you are likely to never meet the standard but in you case it is fixable ( if only for the day you are tested) so on these grounds and the fact that your medical was recent you should ring Garda appointments (01) 6661644 and ask them how to appeal this.
The information on appealing under the Garda Siochana Admissions and appointments regulations 1988 are in the "notes for candidates literature issued on public jobs.ie.
I definately think you are due a chance to lose weight and be retested without repeating written tests and interview and this is why you should appeal.
It is important to note that these 1988 regulations do state that the candidate must comply with the relevant height/weight guidelines so the decision will not be overturned the best you can hope for is a deferal and a second shot at the medical.
Also this is my interpretation of the rules and I am not an authority on the subject. Once again best of luck and feel free to pm me if I can be of more help.

nd001

Hi all I have my medical on wednesday morning. Hopefully all will
go well. Is there anything I need to bring with me or does anybody have
any tips to ease the experience.

Dr_MaSoN

nd001 wrote: »

Hi all I have my medical on wednesday morning. Hopefully all will
go well. Is there anything I need to bring with me or does anybody have
any tips to ease the experience.

nope, just wear comfy clothes and wash your bits

ojewriej

nd001 wrote: »

Hi all I have my medical on wednesday morning. Hopefully all will
go well. Is there anything I need to bring with me or does anybody have
any tips to ease the experience.

Don't use earphones until then. Bring something to read, as there is a lot of waiting around. Usually there is a bit of craic with the lads, but you never know.

pvt.joker

Bring a big bottle of water to drink so you're able to give the urine sample quickly.

Nothing worse than hanging around for an hour or so not able to pi** !

cathalfeely

srdb20 wrote: »

Nah you will be fine man, my BMI was 27.? something i cant remember exactly now, i was told i would have to ":eek:watch my weight:eek:", now im not saying im buff or anything, but i couldn't lose any weight if i tried unless it was muscle but im not carrying any excess weight, im 5 10.5'' -5 11'' and around 14 stone

Im fairly stout and have a good build with a lot of muscle, and i passed when technically, well according to BMI im overweight.

BMI = Bo!!ox

The only caveat i have is that to be safe you would want to be coming in under 30....;)

Haz33 wrote: »

20-25 is normal
25-30 is overweight
30+ is obese

You will be fine up to 30. BMI above 30 seems to be at the examiners discretion. But keep a check on it and dont put on any more weight and you will be grand.

Cheers guys, well im still waiting on these exams results to be recognised... rang nqai and they told me that my results are now with the department of justice and they will decide whether i meet the standards or not,,,quite annoying having to wait 2 months for the result of the interview....yeh ill defo try and get my weight down a wee bit then cause its pretty close to the obese and we dont want that.....

Ladyt

hey Cathal
you will be fine with a bmi of 28 i did my bmi yesterday on google and came up at 27 and had my medical today and she read it at 26 she told me not to loose anymore weight that i would loose loads with the training if i get in had to get opticians report sent off so hopefully will get date of physical thursday

cathalfeely

Ladyt wrote: »

hey Cathal
you will be fine with a bmi of 28 i did my bmi yesterday on google and came up at 27 and had my medical today and she read it at 26 she told me not to loose anymore weight that i would loose loads with the training if i get in had to get opticians report sent off so hopefully will get date of physical thursday

Hey,
I take it you passed???Congratulations...How you find the medical??God thats a first that i have heard them telling someone not to lose anymore weight...ah thats alright i feel convinced now that my bmi is ok....just gotta get my eyes checked because i have to wear glasses sometimes when im driving but most of the time im grand

Ladyt

cathalfeely wrote: »

Hey,
I take it you passed???Congratulations...How you find the medical??God thats a first that i have heard them telling someone not to lose anymore weight...ah thats alright i feel convinced now that my bmi is ok....just gotta get my eyes checked because i have to wear glasses sometimes when im driving but most of the time im grand

yeah thanks more or less doc told me she would have passed me if i brought my glasses- i only wear them for reading board in college said i may need to get contacts right eye was fine left eye let me down slightly but optician said i couldnt have contacts cos my eye sight wasnt bad enough.. The medical was actually ok they were lovely there did urine sample and blood pressure, then hearing listen really carefully sound very faint, lungs blow into a tube had to do ten times cos machine was broken:rolleyes: then the doc sees you gown is very flattering you have to touch your toes, she checks your spine, then women get breast check and they touch around ur tummy and ask u to cough then you do eye sight test if you do wear glasses bring them even for the slightest thing else you may get held up like me and then colour blind test is easy read numbers from a coloured book.
have you heard about your interview yet??

cathalfeely

Ladyt wrote: »

yeah thanks more or less doc told me she would have passed me if i brought my glasses- i only wear them for reading board in college said i may need to get contacts right eye was fine left eye let me down slightly but optician said i couldnt have contacts cos my eye sight wasnt bad enough.. The medical was actually ok they were lovely there did urine sample and blood pressure, then hearing listen really carefully sound very faint, lungs blow into a tube had to do ten times cos machine was broken:rolleyes: then the doc sees you gown is very flattering you have to touch your toes, she checks your spine, then women get breast check and they touch around ur tummy and ask u to cough then you do eye sight test if you do wear glasses bring them even for the slightest thing else you may get held up like me and then colour blind test is easy read numbers from a coloured book.
have you heard about your interview yet??

no am still waiting on my exams to be recognised (is very very frustrating) even though my old school friend with the same results did the whole application at the same time as me has had his results recognised and he has passed his medical....and we do have basically the same school results...do you smoke??i smoke around 15 a day and am wondering if the lung capacity test is tough on that??that was a great post about the medical

Ladyt

cathalfeely wrote: »

no am still waiting on my exams to be recognised (is very very frustrating) even though my old school friend with the same results did the whole application at the same time as me has had his results recognised and he has passed his medical....and we do have basically the same school results...do you smoke??i smoke around 15 a day and am wondering if the lung capacity test is tough on that??that was a great post about the medical

thanks no hassle yeah i used to smoke alot but have cut back one of the girls today said she smokes 35-40 and she passed the nurses give you a few chances to blow into tube unless you have asthma i think you should be ok id try to cut back on them but dont smoke that mornin if you can and take a deep breathe before you blow into tube i was afraid id fail that too but its actually ok when do hope to hear about results from interview did they even give you a guildline girls were told today they had their physical on 2nd July....

Haz33

Ladyt wrote: »

thanks no hassle yeah i used to smoke alot but have cut back one of the girls today said she smokes 35-40 and she passed the nurses give you a few chances to blow into tube unless you have asthma i think you should be ok id try to cut back on them but dont smoke that mornin if you can and take a deep breathe before you blow into tube i was afraid id fail that too but its actually ok when do hope to hear about results from interview did they even give you a guildline girls were told today they had their physical on 2nd July....

Just to clarify for asthmatics, the peak flow (breath test) will not cause you problems unless you have chronic asthma or bronchitis that is not under control. People who have their asthma under control ( with inhalers etc ) are likely to achieve the same results as smokers if not better. I am asthmatic and passed with flying colours. Smoking will diminish your lung capacity but unless you have a noticeably bad wheeze all the time you should be ok.
I also found the nurse didn't explain it great on the day. The idea is to measure the amount of air in your lungs. She will tell you to take deep breaths and then blow into the tube or machine until all the air is expelled from your lungs. What is worth noting is that the quicker you expel this air, the higher the reading ( especially on the manual test). So you should be looking to expel all the air in 1-2 seconds.
i.e.If you take 4 seconds to expel all the air in your lungs you will get a lower reading than if you expel this same amount of air in 2 seconds,
I hope you are all fogging up your screens practising this

kc12

Hi was just wondering if i pass the interview section how long will it be until I have the medical.

Also I need laser eye surgery and will the whole medical be postponed or just the eye test??

Thanks!

pvt.joker

kc12 wrote: »

Hi was just wondering if i pass the interview section how long will it be until I have the medical.

Also I need laser eye surgery and will the whole medical be postponed or just the eye test??

The wait on a medical varies from 2 weeks to a couple of months.
You just need to have patience with it. They will contact you.

If you need eye surgery, then do the medical before it, (who knows you might pass the eye test) if you fail it over your eyes, they defer your medical allowing you to get surgery, once you have surgery, you wait 6 weeks (im on week 5 at the minute :cool:) then submit an eyesight report from the surgeon to the medical people. They will then decide if its up to the standard required (which in 99% of cases, it is).
Good luck

kc12

Thanks for the repy...

Just one more question. When I have the medical done and am required to have eye surgery will i have to wait get the clearence before I can do the physical...

pvt.joker

kc12 wrote: »

Thanks for the repy...

Just one more question. When I have the medical done and am required to have eye surgery will i have to wait get the clearence before I can do the physical...

Yep, I still havent got a date for physical as Im waiting on clearance for my eyes. Getting cert next thurs and going straight to HQ with it. Hoping to have a date for PCT within a day or 2 after that.

Paolo5

I did interview on April 18th - still waiting ...

Anyone else around this time or after whose application has moved on???

Ladyt

Paolo5 wrote: »

I did interview on April 18th - still waiting ...

Anyone else around this time or after whose application has moved on???

hi ya
i did my interview the say day as you and i rang them about three weeks ago ive done my medical since got word from HQ that my checks are complete and once i pass on thurs week im in 5th August... you may still get called starting medicals again next week i think the doc said

LeSurfer

ok folks its probably the wrong place to post up something about stage 2 but im really frustrated and need someone's opinion.

i did my interview on the 14th of may,stilling waiting on my result because they won't issue it till i have my qualification recongnized by NQRI,i applied for reconition 3 month ago and they said its at its second stage which is waiting to be signed by the justice minister himself.

i rang the HQ today asking the possibility of me getting in in augest he said its highly unlikely,and he also told me they started my background check 10 days ago,now the question is would that be an indicaiton of me passing the interview or is it because all my families are in china they started background check because it would take longer than irish canidates.thanks!:)

Haz33

LeSurfer wrote: »

ok folks its probably the wrong place to post up something about stage 2 but im really frustrated and need someone's opinion.

i did my interview on the 14th of may,stilling waiting on my result because they won't issue it till i have my qualification recongnized by NQRI,i applied for reconition 3 month ago and they said its at its second stage which is waiting to be signed by the justice minister himself.

i rang the HQ today asking the possibility of me getting in in augest he said its highly unlikely,and he also told me they started my background check 10 days ago,now the question is would that be an indicaiton of me passing the interview or is it because all my families are in china they started background check because it would take longer than irish canidates.thanks!:)

This is just my opinion and my intention is not to get your hopes up but because the background checks can be so extensive and labour intensive they tend not to start these until the candidate has been successful at interview stage. It would be my guess you were successful and they have started but I wouldn't have a clue how they vet your school qualifications. The fact they have started does not necessarily guarantee you progression in the competition. Hope this helps!!

pvt.joker

Is the reason they said it was unlikely you'd get in for August because of the wait to get recognised, or the fact that spaces are filling up quickly for August?

Haz33

pvt.joker wrote: »

Is the reason they said it was unlikely you'd get in for August because of the wait to get recognised, or the fact that spaces are filling up quickly for August?

I can smell the panic......Take a deep breathe Kaiser!

srdb20

pvt.joker wrote: »

Is the reason they said it was unlikely you'd get in for August because of the wait to get recognised, or the fact that spaces are filling up quickly for August?

Not the dreaded "running out of spaces rumour:eek::eek::eek:!!!" Ahhh:D

Kaizer ill be seeing you in August!!!

Dr_MaSoN

everyone just wants to start with me

pvt.joker

Haz33 wrote: »

I can smell the panic......Take a deep breathe Kaiser!

:D I'll do my best