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A money making group.Well that's half an hour I'll never get back
Here's the links to the original BBC pieces he references;
Freemasons: Your questions answered
Would you want to be a Freemason?
I also totally recommend Knight & Lomas' books as a great read, they're fascinating and fun, like Dan Brown for literate people who like a good story. As theories go their methodology is worse than appalling, but they're fantastically interesting to read... and the very stuff of conspiracy hypotheses
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Modern Christianity does not preach about the God within. Modern Christianity is corrupted by your faction. Christianity was about the christ and light within in its founding. Jehovah corrupted it.I wasn't implying that you believe you're God; only that those who do are the opposite extreme side of religion to those who are blind followers of dogmatic religion. The idea of the God within, or internalised aspects of divinity isn't uncommon and occurs even in the mainstream religions such as Christianity, so the distinction is readily apparent, so don't worry!Again I would think that the consequences of Faith are more a matter for the Religion & Spirituality forum.
I think religion, freemasonry and idolism should be on a different planet.
Whether I am in direct contact with him is not the point. The point is Jehovah created freemasonry to what it is today.Well, since you're the one telling us what Jehovah is doing and thinking, it's seems to be very relevant to you for some reason...You're getting very heated about nobody wanting you to join the Freemasons. Why do you think that is? I only hope your assurances of imminent demise for the organisation aren't based on your own plans. Either way, I suspect it will endure longer than you think.
Now you're real side is coming out and this is your lies starting to show. We have gone through this already in previous pages and you've already clarified this point yourself when I told you that I have no interest in freemasonry. I have no intention of joining a mens club believing in demi Gods.
Freemasonry is coming to an end, You don't decide these things. All cults are on the way out on this planet.I didn't ask for anything; I just pointed out it's illogical not to accept that people believe what they want, as opposed to your assertion that it's illogical for the Freemasons to accept members who believe in different deities and different supreme beings.
Ah, You see this is where get's really funny on your behalf. You talk about the word logic and then everything that is readable from you in that paragraph is completely illogical. You see, what is the logic in joining a "club" to believe in a supreme deity? More importantly what is the logic in joining a club where all members believe in a different deity? What is that all about? What is the benefit and reasoning behind that. Especially when we full well know that Jehovah is the head of this organisation. Not all Freemasons are aware of that, but it still doesn't exempt the obvious.When you've made up your mind whether we're using the word a lot, or are avoiding using the word, please let us know. I can't see how it's ironic that Freemasons who belong to religions worship the deities of those religions. Maybe you'll explain?
Freemasons use that word, religious institutions use that word. Both are organised cults. Both are formed and controlled by Jehovah.0 -
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Is there a particular version of modern christianity you're refering to? Regardless, my 'faction' has nothing to do with it I'm afraid.Aquarius34 wrote: »Modern Christianity does not preach about the God within. Modern Christianity is corrupted by your faction. Christianity was about the christ and light within in its founding. Jehovah corrupted it.
Can we assume you understand they are on this planet though?Aquarius34 wrote: »I think religion, freemasonry and idolism should be on a different planet.
Yes, you've offered that opinion a few times. Since you've done no more than offer the opinion, I assume you think if you repeat it often enough it will become true?Aquarius34 wrote: »Whether I am in direct contact with him is not the point. The point is Jehovah created freemasonry to what it is today.
Now now, it's not nice calling people liars. You deny your interest in Freemasonry by posting on a thread about Freemasons, and get all het up when all I said was "Nobody said you have to join the club. If you don't see the point, that's fine, nobody's making you join in.". Seriously, I'm not asking you to join no matter what you say. And it's a bit mean calling other peoples gods "demi". I'm sure they're just as big as yours.Aquarius34 wrote: »Now you're real side is coming out and this is your lies starting to show. We have gone through this already in previous pages and you've already clarified this point yourself when I told you that I have no interest in freemasonry. I have no intention of joining a mens club believing in demi Gods.
Well, as long as I'm a Freemason it hasn't come to an end, so I do decide that thing. I suppose there's a few other Freemasons who feel the same way, so we should be alright for a while thanks.Aquarius34 wrote: »Freemasonry is coming to an end, You don't decide these things. All cults are on the way out on this planet.
Well, the Freemasons is not a club 'to believe in a supreme deity', it's a club 'to make good men better', which requires candidates to (among other things) profess a belief in a supreme being. But lots of people do join clubs to believe in a supreme deity; they're called religions. These are quite popular clubs by and large, and they do seem a logical choice for people who want to be in a club 'to believe in a supreme deity'.Aquarius34 wrote: »Ah, You see this is where get's really funny on your behalf. You talk about the word logic and then everything that is readable from you in that paragraph is completely illogical. You see, what is the logic in joining a "club" to believe in a supreme deity?
Well, I don't know, you could ask all the people in chess clubs, or tennis clubs, or astronomy clubs, or athletics clubs. They'd probably tell you the deities of their members aren't terribly relevant to the club. That seems reasonably logical...Aquarius34 wrote: »More importantly what is the logic in joining a club where all members believe in a different deity? What is that all about? What is the benefit and reasoning behind that.
As I said, repeating your opinion over and over doesn't make it true. But we can all see you're trying, if that helps.Aquarius34 wrote: »Especially when we full well know that Jehovah is the head of this organisation. Not all Freemasons are aware of that, but it still doesn't exempt the obvious.
Well, the word worship is used by a lot of people. You've used it yourself. Does that mean you're an organised cult formed and controlled by Jehovah? Oh no!Aquarius34 wrote: »Freemasons use that word, religious institutions use that word. Both are organised cults. Both are formed and controlled by Jehovah.0 -
A group to make contacts.Is there a particular version of modern christianity you're refering to? Regardless, my 'faction' has nothing to do with it I'm afraid.
Ironically Freemasons, Templars, Jesuits, Grand orients and all other Lodges use the red cross symbol. Ironic isn't it. The Catholic church uses the same symbol.Can we assume you understand they are on this planet though?
Yes, you've offered that opinion a few times. Since you've done no more than offer the opinion, I assume you think if you repeat it often enough it will become true?
What is the truth will always show up. Denial of the truth means the truth will just continue to show up whether it has to be repeated or not.Now now, it's not nice calling people liars. You deny your interest in Freemasonry by posting on a thread about Freemasons, and get all het up when all I said was "Nobody said you have to join the club. If you don't see the point, that's fine, nobody's making you join in.". Seriously, I'm not asking you to join no matter what you say. And it's a bit mean calling other peoples gods "demi". I'm sure they're just as big as yours.
Now now, then don't behave in a deceit manner. We've been through this. I nevver made you lie and make you say false assumptions towards me. If you're not asking me to join, why do you continue to make assumptions that I want to join or assume I feel disappointed that I haven't? They are outrageous claims. Just to recap you haven't answered my question as to what is the logic, in joining a club to believe in a supreme being and what is the logic in joining a cult where all it's members believe in different deities?Well, as long as I'm a Freemason it hasn't come to an end, so I do decide that thing. I suppose there's a few other Freemasons who feel the same way, so we should be alright for a while thanks.
Freemasons don't decide things. They follow. Freemasonry is a cult and no cult lasts forever. Especially in the times we are moving into. It is coming to an end, and the point you need to understand it's happening now whether you like it or not.Well, the Freemasons is not a club 'to believe in a supreme deity', it's a club 'to make good men better', which requires candidates to (among other things) profess a belief in a supreme being. But lots of people do join clubs to believe in a supreme deity; they're called religions. These are quite popular clubs by and large, and they do seem a logical choice for people who want to be in a club 'to believe in a supreme deity'.
In reality it is a club. It does not make men better. Men who join it seek power and status and it's a drug to most men.Well, I don't know, you could ask all the people in chess clubs, or tennis clubs, or astronomy clubs, or athletics clubs. They'd probably tell you the deities of their members aren't terribly relevant to the club. That seems reasonably logical...
Playing tennis, is people playing sports competeing against one another. It's not a cult or a club segragated from the rest of the human race that has so much secrecy around it. Playing tennis doesn't affect others if you are not interested in tennis. Freemasonry affects others whether we are interested or not, because Freemasonry is hardwired into the grains of this society. Many famous elites and rulers across the world were Freemasons. You won't find tennis players getting involved in world affairs and having secret meetings.
Your self denial won't change reality.As I said, repeating your opinion over and over doesn't make it true. But we can all see you're trying, if that helps.Well, the word worship is used by a lot of people. You've used it yourself. Does that mean you're an organised cult formed and controlled by Jehovah? Oh no!
Now I made the example of the word been used. I don't use the word. I don't support it, I don't value it and I don't accept idolism or worship.0 -
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Ironically, the last time you posted this you were also trying to dodge a question. Not ironically, your conclusion then was as erroneous as it is now.Aquarius34 wrote: »Ironically Freemasons, Templars, Jesuits, Grand orients and all other Lodges use the red cross symbol. Ironic isn't it. The Catholic church uses the same symbol.
I'll reserve the right to bother trying to deny your 'truth' for when you show it has become 'true'. But I think you'll have to more than repeat your opinion to make that happen.Aquarius34 wrote: »What is the truth will always show up. Denial of the truth means the truth will just continue to show up whether it has to be repeated or not.
I really have tried to be entirely straightforward. I'm not asking you to join the Freemasons. Nobody is asking you to join the Freemasons. I assure you I am not trying to deceive you by saying so; I won't change my mind. I cannot understand why you seem to be fixating on this, it's quite straightforward.Aquarius34 wrote: »Now now, then don't behave in a deceit manner. We've been through this. I nevver made you lie and make you say false assumptions towards me. If you're not asking me to join, why do you continue to make assumptions that I want to join or assume I feel disappointed that I haven't? They are outrageous claims.
If you recap your own post you'll notice you quoted my answer to your original question? Since in this post you've changed your question (honestly, that's not recapping, that's just cheeky) to 'what is the logic in joining a cult where all it's members believe in different deities', I have to answer that question with I don't know, why don't you ask someone who's in a cult like you've described?Aquarius34 wrote: »Just to recap you haven't answered my question as to what is the logic, in joining a club to believe in a supreme being and what is the logic in joining a cult where all it's members believe in different deities?
I assure you, I often decide things. Just this evening I decided what to have for dinner, for example. So as long as I decide to be a Freemason, Freemasonry will not come to an end. Again, I assure you, Freemasonry is not coming to an end now, because I'm still a Freemason.Aquarius34 wrote: »Freemasons don't decide things. They follow. Freemasonry is a cult and no cult lasts forever. Especially in the times we are moving into. It is coming to an end, and the point you need to understand it's happening now whether you like it or not.
In reality it is a club with the stated aim of making good men better. Whether or not it achieves the aim is certainly open to debate. A sweeping statement on the motivations of those who join is obviously a nonsense; you're just stating your opinions and pretending they're facts again. The same with the opinion that a club is a drug.Aquarius34 wrote: »In reality it is a club. It does not make men better. Men who join it seek power and status and it's a drug to most men.
So this is your reply quoting the answer you said I didn't give you... You askedAquarius34 wrote: »Playing tennis, is people playing sports competeing against one another. It's not a cult or a club segragated from the rest of the human race that has so much secrecy around it. Playing tennis doesn't affect others if you are not interested in tennis. Freemasonry affects others whether we are interested or not, because Freemasonry is hardwired into the grains of this society. Many famous elites and rulers across the world were Freemasons. You won't find tennis players getting involved in world affairs and having secret meetings.
I answered as you've quoted. From your post I presume you've accepted the logical point and are trying a new line of argument?Aquarius34 wrote: »More importantly what is the logic in joining a club where all members believe in a different deity? What is that all about? What is the benefit and reasoning behind that"
In fairness I deny myself very little, and I hardly think my little indulgences are likely to have a profound effect on the fabric of reality. Maybe a little weight moves from here to there, but that's about it.Aquarius34 wrote: »Your self denial won't change reality.
Well, you've used the word at least eighteen times recently on Boards alone. So according to your own argument you're an organised cult formed and controlled by Jehovah. Tough break, but there you go...Aquarius34 wrote: »Now I made the example of the word been used. I don't use the word. I don't support it, I don't value it and I don't accept idolism or worship.0 -
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Still dodging thenAquarius34 wrote: »lol
But you've quite obviously offered your opinion numerous times on this thread alone. Would you like me to recap and quote them all? Since you dislike substantiating your opinions I'm afraid I can't really say that they're true. I can only say they're your opinions which you seem to believe could be true.Aquarius34 wrote: »Ok, I'll put it to you to this way again, the truth is the truth, and it's nothing but the truth. I don't offer my opinion, I didn't give my opinion and you won't be getting an opinion from me.
Because your reply to my saying "Nobody said you have to join the club. If you don't see the point, that's fine, nobody's making you join in." wasAquarius34 wrote: »Really well that is interesting why did you state this in the first quote in the previous post.
That seems a very heated response to me. No?Aquarius34 wrote: »You're running out bullsh*t to spew. Oh wait it's to avoid reality of how illogical and pointless these cults are. You're really losing it at this stage.
I think what I said was very clear and straightforward. You're the one that seems to be taking it as an affront...Aquarius34 wrote: »You've said this quite a few times. I do want other's to see your disingenuity and that is the reason I am quoting this so other's can see your own BS. You're not at all been straightforward. I just want that to be clarified and straightened out. You want to give the perception that I want to join Freemasonry and you have stated that I must be annoyed that I haven't been asked to join.
As I said, you quoted my answer to your question. Here, I'll quote it again for you, since you've forgotten.Aquarius34 wrote: »It's obvious you can't answer my qeestion. If you can't you can just state that instead of making petty lame excuses.Well, the Freemasons is not a club 'to believe in a supreme deity', it's a club 'to make good men better', which requires candidates to (among other things) profess a belief in a supreme being. But lots of people do join clubs to believe in a supreme deity; they're called religions. These are quite popular clubs by and large, and they do seem a logical choice for people who want to be in a club 'to believe in a supreme deity'.
Freemasonry is doing just fine thanks, we've a good few years to go yet. And I haven't joined any leagues, so I won't be needing to remember I'm a pawn in any. Maybe you're thinking of someone else?Aquarius34 wrote: »It's coming to an end. You don't decide the fate of it, and you're not incharge of it. You are a pawn in this league, don't ever forget that.
I haven't offered any conjecture, only answered your questions. Of course I'm interested in seeing your overriding facts, but you're not going to show them to us are you?Aquarius34 wrote: »Facts overide your twisted nonsensical personal conjecture on your own club Of course you're going to defend it to the bitter end, it's what you're programmed to do and I see no reason as to why you wouldn't, but it still doesn't change the facts that the system is rotten to the core.
Am I over the edge on my count? Or on your assertion that those using the word worship are an organised cult formed and controlled by Jehovah? I can provide your quotes if you like?Aquarius34 wrote: »You're now well truly gone over the edge with this.0 -
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I was laughing, that was all. Sometimes laughing say's it all.Still dodging thenBut you've quite obviously offered your opinion numerous times on this thread alone. Would you like me to recap and quote them all? Since you dislike substantiating your opinions I'm afraid I can't really say that they're true. I can only say they're your opinions which you seem to believe could be true.
Nope I haven't offered my opinion at all. The truth is the truth.Because your reply to my saying "Nobody said you have to join the club. If you don't see the point, that's fine, nobody's making you join in." was
That seems a very heated response to me. No?
Go read back to that response, if you're unsure what was said.I think what I said was very clear and straightforward. You're the one that seems to be taking it as an affront...
Don't worry I made it rightly clear afterwards.Freemasonry is doing just fine thanks, we've a good few years to go yet. And I haven't joined any leagues, so I won't be needing to remember I'm a pawn in any. Maybe you're thinking of someone else?
Pawns don't know they are pawns, and I meant what I said. You don't know what goes on higher up and I can assure you for the upteenth time, it's over for the clubs.
Things change, and things come to an end, it's the way thing's go. It's unfortunate for you, but this is all part of the progress of the human race. JFk said his last speech very well with regards to secret societies and how society was been run to oppress humanity. It's all coming to an end as we speak. Maybe it's too much for you to hande; But reality has to hit home eventually.I haven't offered any conjecture, only answered your questions. Of course I'm interested in seeing your overriding facts, but you're not going to show them to us are you?
The facts are the facts and they will show up exactly as they are supposed too.Am I over the edge on my count? Or on your assertion that those using the word worship are an organised cult formed and controlled by Jehovah? I can provide your quotes if you like?
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